Preliminary deal reached with Iran

[KingOrfeo]

Iran agrees to framework of nuclear deal.

According to European officials, roughly 5,000 centrifuges will remain spinning enriched uranium at the main nuclear site at Natanz, about half the number currently running. The giant underground enrichment site at Fordo — which Israeli and some American officials fear is impervious to bombing — will be partly converted to advanced nuclear research and the production of medical isotopes. Foreign scientists will be present. There will be no fissile material present that could be used to make a bomb.

A major reactor at Arak, which officials feared could produce plutonium, would operate on a limited basis that would not provide enough fuel for a bomb.

In return, the European Union and the United States would begin to lift sanctions, as Iran complied. At a news conference after the announcement, Mr. Zarif said that essentially all sanctions would be lifted after the final agreement is signed.

Conservatives freak out.

Jim Newell writes:

There is no final nuclear deal with Iran yet. If there is, that’s going to come at the end of June. Yesterday’s dueling rollouts from the Iranian foreign minister and the P5+1 negotiators suggest that there’s still a lot left to work out. John Kerry and Javad Zarif didn’t seem to be on the same page on several critical issues, including the schedule for lifting sanctions or whether (and which) sanctions would “snap back” into place if Iran is caught violating the deal. It’s hard to tell how much of this is rhetoric — them selling the deal to very different constituencies — and how much represents real gaps that need to be worked out.

If a deal gets done, though, it’s not going to be enough to simply let GOP presidential candidates rail against it. That lets them off too easily. The real question is, what would you do about it if you became president?

The tempting answer will be that they’ll pull out of the deal. Scott Walker and Marco Rubio have said versions of this. Neither has been able to explain away the damage that would do, because there’s no easy answer for that. Rubio insists that “America’s standing in the world” would be enough to persuade our European allies, not to mention the Russians and Chinese, to reimpose sanctions on Iran (to what end, it’s not clear), but he wrongly assumes that America would have standing in the world after blowing up a carefully crafted diplomatic agreement. Iran would never come back to the negotiating table with the United States, leaving the United States with two options for dealing with Iran’s nuclear program: (1) sitting around and hoping that some magical unicorns swoop into Iran, topple its regime, and put in place a United States puppet government or (2) bombing Iran.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Predictably, Netanyahu don't like it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Predictably, Netanyahu don't like it.

Reichsfuhrer Bibi's power base depends on an "all war, all the time" platform. A negotiated deal with Iran severely weakens the Likkud (Israeli Nazi) party.

I am cautiously optimistic that it's a good deal for the entire Middle East overall.

 

[FGB]

What could possibly go wrong?

Well, At least we have Israel as a last resort.
They will do what is necessary to protect themselves.

Fasten the seat belts Ladies and gents and hope for the best.

 

[KingOrfeo]

What could possibly go wrong?

Not much; the framework provides for regular on-site IAEA inspections of Iranian nuclear facilities.

 

[FGB]

Not much; the framework provides for regular on-site IAEA inspections of Iranian nuclear facilities.

And just how well has this worked in the past?

 

[KingOrfeo]

And just how well has this worked in the past?

It has not been done in the past, they're breaking new ground here.

FTR, the CIA consistently reports Iran is nowhere near making a bomb anyway; so whatever has been done in the past has worked.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

the fucktard obama kind are fucking clueless idiots.

thank God, you dipshits don't have jobs

 

[Que]

"Breaking NEW ground!!!!"

~laughs~

Is this a "game changer," too?

Was the agreement "HISTORIC!"?

Will this "Usher in a new era of transparency?"

Too funny.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Atlantic delivers an excellent "warts and all" analysis of the Iran deal

Bottom line: Long term, improved relationship with Iran will allow the USA to play Iran and Saudi Arabia off against each other to gain favorable US treatment, not unlike Nixon playing China and the USSR back in the 1970s.

 

[sr71plt]

Good news. The Republicans still have time to come up with a plan of their own.

 

[phrodeau]

Good news. The Republicans still have time to come up with a plan of their own.

Jeb Bush is getting foreign policy advice from Paul Wolfowitz. Ted Cruz is getting foreign policy advice from John Bolton. They've got plans, all right.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

"Breaking NEW ground!!!!"

~laughs~

Is this a "game changer," too?

Was the agreement "HISTORIC!"?

Will this "Usher in a new era of transparency?"

Too funny.

Translation: waaaaaaaaaah! Congressional meddling in the negotiations didn't cause Iran to pull out and they actually made some progress.

Despite the insistence of the warmongering "right" and the deception perpetrated prior to the invasion of Iraq the same sort of inspections curbed Iraq's WMD programs.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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[FGB]

And just how well has this worked in the past?

2002 September - Russian technicians begin construction of Iran's first nuclear reactor at Bushehr despite strong objections from US.

2003 June - Thousands attend student-led protests in Tehran against clerical establishment.

2003 September - UN nuclear watchdog, IAEA, gives Tehran weeks to prove it is not pursuing an atomic weapons programme.

2003 October - Shirin Ebadi becomes Iran's first Nobel Peace Prize winner; lawyer and human rights campaigner became Iran's first female judge in 1975 but was forced to resign after 1979 revolution.

2003 November - Iran says it is suspending its uranium enrichment programme and will allow tougher UN inspections of its nuclear facilities. IAEA concludes there is no evidence of a weapons programme.

2003 December - 40,000 people are killed in an earthquake in south-east Iran; the city of Bam is devastated.

Conservative resurgence

2004 February - Conservatives regain control of parliament in elections. Thousands of reformist candidates were disqualified by the hardline Council of Guardians before the polls.

Nuclear crisis

2005 August-September - Tehran says it has resumed uranium conversion at its Isfahan plant and insists the programme is for peaceful purposes. IAEA finds Iran in violation of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.



Supporter of Lebanese militia

Iranian students hold placard of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah during protest against Israeli offensive against Lebanon in 2006
Iran is an ally of Lebanon's powerful Shia Muslim Hezbollah group
Tehran says its support is moral, political
Israel, US accuse Iran of supplying arms
Group emerged in 1980s with financial backing from Iran

2004 June - Iran is rebuked by the IAEA for failing to fully cooperate with an inquiry into its nuclear activities.

2004 November - Iran agrees to suspend most of its uranium enrichment under a deal with the EU.

2005 June - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Tehran's ultra-conservative mayor, wins a run-off vote in presidential elections, defeating cleric and former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.

2006 January - Iran breaks IAEA seals at its Natanz nuclear research facility.

Bomb attacks in the southern city of Ahvaz - the scene of sporadic unrest in recent months - kill eight people and injure more than 40.

2006 February - IAEA votes to report Iran to the UN Security Council over its nuclear activities. Iran resumes uranium enrichment at Natanz.

2006 April - Iran says it has succeeded in enriching uranium at its Natanz facility.

2006 31 August - UN Security Council deadline for Iran to halt its work on nuclear fuel passes. IAEA says Tehran has failed to suspend the programme.

Holocaust denial

2006 December - Iran hosts a controversial conference on the Holocaust; delegates include Holocaust deniers.

UN Security Council votes to impose sanctions on Iran's trade in sensitive nuclear materials and technology. Iran condemns the resolution and vows to speed up uranium enrichment work.

2007 February - IAEA says Iran failed to meet a deadline to suspend uranium enrichment, exposing Tehran to possible new sanctions.

2007 March - Diplomatic stand-off with Britain after Iran detains 15 British sailors and marines patrolling the mouth of the Shatt al-Arab waterway separating Iran and Iraq.
2007 April - President Ahmadinejad says Iran can produce nuclear fuel on an industrial scale.

IAEA says Iran has begun making nuclear fuel in its underground uranium enrichment plant. It also says that Iran has started up more than 1,300 centrifuge machines.

2007 May - IAEA says Iran could develop a nuclear weapon in three to eight years if it so chooses.

2007 June - Protests erupt after government imposes petrol rationing amid fears of possible UN sanctions.

2007 July - Iran announces plans to stop making cars that only run on petrol and switch to dual-fuel vehicles, which also run on gas.

Iran agrees to allow inspectors to visit the Arak nuclear plant following talks with the IAEA.

New sanctions

2007 October - US announces sweeping new sanctions against Iran, the toughest since it first imposed sanctions almost 30 years ago.

2007 December - A new US intelligence report plays down the perceived nuclear threat posed by Iran.

2008 February - Iran launches a research rocket to inaugurate a newly built space centre. Washington describes

the launch as "unfortunate".

2008 March - President Ahmadinejad makes unprecedented official visit to Iraq, where he calls on foreign troops to leave. He also stresses his government's desire to help rebuild Iraq and signs a number of cooperation agreements.

Conservatives win over two-thirds of seats in parliamentary elections in which many pro-reform candidates were disbarred from standing. The conservatives include supporters of President Ahmadinejad as well as more pragmatic conservatives who oppose his confrontational foreign policy.

UN Security Council tightens economic and trade sanctions on Tehran.

2008 May - IAEA says Iran is still withholding information on its nuclear programme.

Iran's new parliament elects former nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani as its speaker.

Incentives offered

2008 June - EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana presents an offer of trade benefits, which Tehran says it will look at, but will reject if it demands suspension of uranium enrichment.

2008 July - Iran test-fires a new version of the Shahab-3, a long-range missile it says is capable of hitting targets in Israel.

2008 August - Informal deadline set by Western officials for Iran to respond to package of incentives in return for halt in nuclear activities passes without reply.

Iran says it has successfully launched a test rocket capable of carrying a satellite into space.

2008 September - UN Security Council passes unanimously a new resolution reaffirming demands that Iran stop enriching uranium, but imposes no new sanctions. The text was agreed after Russia said it would not support further sanctions.

And so on and so forth... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14542438

 

[RobDownSouth]

Translation: waaaaaaaaaah! Congressional meddling in the negotiations didn't cause Iran to pull out and they actually made some progress.

Despite the insistence of the warmongering "right" and the deception perpetrated prior to the invasion of Iraq the same sort of inspections curbed Iraq's WMD programs.

Iran has been such a useful bogeyman for the fringe right and the Israeli Reich. Gonna be hard to stir up wingnut nation without a good evildoer.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

They are running out of boogeymen

 

[MrBates2]

awwww

They are running out of boogeymen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBwA0HaWMAAKUmV.jpg

 

[sexnovella]

USA rules

the world

 

[domroger]

Reichsfuhrer Bibi's power base depends on an "all war, all the time" platform. A negotiated deal with Iran severely weakens the Likkud (Israeli Nazi) party.

I am cautiously optimistic that it's a good deal for the entire Middle East overall.

To quote the famous socialist Winston Churchill "Jaw ,jaw is better than war ,war"

 

[KingOrfeo]

Fun fact: The U.S. started Iran's nuclear program in the 1950s; "Atoms for Peace."

 

[sr71plt]

Sort of like the United States having provided Iraq's infamous weapons of mass destruction too.

 

[Que]

Translation: waaaaaaaaaah! Congressional meddling in the negotiations didn't cause Iran to pull out and they actually made some progress.

Despite the insistence of the warmongering "right" and the deception perpetrated prior to the invasion of Iraq the same sort of inspections curbed Iraq's WMD programs.

"Progress"

I forgot to ad that lovely buzzword, so thanks.

Care to elaborate on the theme?

Catch Zumi's meme on the subject in the blurt thread? Do you also feel this "historic" agreement is analogous to the Camp David Accords?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

"Progress"

I forgot to ad that lovely buzzword, so thanks.

Care to elaborate on the theme?

Catch Zumi's meme on the subject in the blurt thread? Do you also feel this "historic" agreement is analogous to the Camp David Accords?

Yes, progress, as in closer to an actual agreement than we would have been using the "conservative" approach. Despite the attempts at meddling by the GOP.

Comparable to the Camp David Accords? We'll know when the agreement has been in effect for awhile. Although I suspect the "right" won't believe the weapons inspectors in Iran any more than they did in Iraq. They're still stuck on "Iran is only a year away from having a nuclear weapon" BS they've been pushing for 30 years. based on your other thread, so are you.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Tentative deal announced yesterday.
"But...but...is it as successful as The Camp David Accords?"


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