Pranic Vampires

[Stella_Omega]

I don't merely "profess" to be a Christian, I am one. And regarding the topic, there's a vast, huge, functional difference between the two.

See, now you're arousing my scepticism.

To me, the only difference is that your vampire hasn't got a vast social approval system for her beliefs, the way Christians do-- she isn't normative.

 

[cloudy]

See, now you're arousing my scepticism.

To me, the only difference is that your vampire hasn't got a vast social approval system for her beliefs, the way Christians do-- she isn't normative.

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Exactly. Thank you.

Back atcha-- I only saw your post after mine went through!

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

See, now you're arousing my scepticism.

To me, the only difference is that your vampire hasn't got a vast social approval system for her beliefs, the way Christians do-- she isn't normative.

There is? How?

Both are a matter of belief and not proof.

Are you genuinely open to the idea that you could be wrong, or that there could be an answer to "how?" that is both accurate and also supports the idea that they are significantly different?

If so, I do have some ideas about this. If not, there really isn't much of a point to explaining, is there? I hate to be a little disinterested in just plowing ahead, but I don't entirely trust that you--Stella--can be polite and hold off on the sarcasm and/or rudeness nor that you--cloudy--can lay off the personal attacks or accusatory presumptions.

That sounds horrible, but, honestly I'm not interested in being baited to just get flamed over having an opinion on the matter that some do not, and attacks on the manner in which I discuss it.

 

[cloudy]

Are you genuinely open to the idea that you could be wrong, or that there could be an answer to "how?" that is both accurate and also supports the idea that they are significantly different?

If so, I do have some ideas about this. If not, there really isn't much of a point to explaining, is there?

There isn't anything to "explain," Joe. They're both beliefs, and not supported by proof, unless you know something nobody else does.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

There isn't anything to "explain," Joe. They're both beliefs, and not supported by proof, unless you know something nobody else does.

So, that's a "no"? I mean, honestly, if you're closed to the idea that you could possibly be inaccurate here--then this is just an exercise in you quite possibly getting worked up and calling me names five posts down the line. How is that good community?

 

[cloudy]

So, that's a "no"? I mean, honestly, if you're closed to the idea that you could possibly be inaccurate here--then this is just an exercise in you quite possibly getting worked up and calling me names five posts down the line. How is that good community?

Are you open to the idea that you're wrong?

eta: last time, it was you that got worked up, darlin', and ended up getting off on insulting me, remember?

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Are you open to the idea that you're wrong?

Definitely.

 

[cloudy]

Definitely.

Odd. I've never seen such "openness" displayed.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Odd. I've never seen such "openness" displayed.

I guess this is what I'm talking about.

 

[cloudy]

I guess ]this is what I'm talking about.

I'm not insulting you, just stating a cold, hard fact.

Belief in vampires is, at its roots, no different than belief in Jesus being the son of god. The only difference is that one is believed by many thousands, and the other only by a few thousand.

eta: You can try and show me, and others, that it's different, but I can just about guarantee that someone (me or Stella or whoever is foolhardy enough to test your "openness") can show you, with the same point, that they're not. Neither belief is provable.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

I'm not insulting you, just stating a cold, hard fact.

Belief in vampires is, at its roots, no different than belief in Jesus being the son of god. The only difference is that one is believed by many thousands, and the other only by a few thousand.

Do you accept, at the outset of this conversation, that you can be wrong? That there can be a significant, meaningful difference between the example I'd given of belief in the supernatural (I gave a few examples, there, I'm sure we're talking about the same kinds of beliefs--vampires, magick, supernatural occurance, etc.) and a general Christian beliefset?

That it is possible, and you simply don't see how or believe some how's to be significant?

 

[cloudy]

Do you accept, at the outset of this conversation, that you can be wrong? That there can be a significant, meaningful difference between the example I'd given of belief in the supernatural (I gave a few examples, there, I'm sure we're talking about the same kinds of beliefs--vampires, magick, supernatural occurance, etc.) and a general Christian beliefset?

Not really, no. Sorry. They're both beliefs, a matter of faith. How can you prove that the christian belief is anything but a matter of faith?

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Not really, no. Sorry. They're both beliefs, a matter of faith. How can you prove that the christian belief is anything but a matter of faith?

Its not my intention to do that.

I guess we just shouldn't have this conversation then. It'll save everyone a headache about it. There is no real sense in arguing with someone that cannot accept the mere possibility of being incorrect--that's not an attack, but surely we can see the common sense in that idea?

 

[cloudy]

Its not my intention to do that.

I guess we just shouldn't have this conversation then. It'll save everyone a headache about it. There is no real sense in arguing with someone that cannot accept the mere possibility of being incorrect--that's not an attack, but surely we can see the common sense in that idea?

Look, I would never tell you that you're wrong to believe as you do. But just as what I believe is a matter of faith, so is what you believe. I can't prove what I believe, just as you can't prove what you believe.

 

[kendo1]

... There is no real sense in arguing with someone that cannot accept the mere possibility of being incorrect--

You said it.

 

[cloudy]

You said it.

Indeed.

 

[kendo1]

*Joe throws his hands up in despair*
Aaarghhh!

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

*Joe throws his hands up in despair*
Aaarghhh!

I'm just not up for losing my point to pointlessness.

Look, I would never tell you that you're wrong to believe as you do. But just as what I believe is a matter of faith, so is what you believe. I can't prove what I believe, just as you can't prove what you believe.

If there were great reasons, sound reasons, then you shouldn't feel bad about telling me that a belief I have is wrong. The key part there is having sound reasons, sound reasoning. Not all beliefs are correct, and everything is subject to rational scrutiny.

 

[cloudy]

If there were great reasons, sound reasons, then you shouldn't feel bad about telling me that a belief I have is wrong. The key part there is having sound reasons, sound reasoning. Not all beliefs are correct, and everything is subject to rational scrutiny.

Indeed, but faith isn't rational.

 

[kendo1]

I'm just not up for losing my point to pointlessness.

If there were great reasons, sound reasons, then you shouldn't feel bad about telling me that a belief I have is wrong. The key part there is having sound reasons, sound reasoning. Not all beliefs are correct, and everything is subject to rational scrutiny.

Just shake hands and forgetaboutit.

Does it really matter? Is the world going to stop turning?

Agree to disagree. Smile. Go on, you know you want to.

I disagree with my wife every now and then. The fun part is making up afterwards.

 

[MeiohSetsuna]

Pranic Vampire [Psychic vampirism]

A Pranic Vampire is someone who feeds off of the 'life energies' of a person rather then blood. Purportedly a real psy-vamp has an energy deficiency, which is compensated via 'feeding' from other sources. The other sources are typically other human life energies (Aura, emotional, or actual LIFE energies) though it is said that they can feed from animals, plants, and even the elements (storms, earth, rivers).

- Psy-vamp (laveyian) [Psychological vampirism]

The typical psy-vamp is not an energy feeder at all rather he/she is nothing more then an attention whore. According to the Satanic Bible these people are some of the lowest forms of life on the planet. They tend to be the people that say "If you love me you'll ___" or who surround themselves with weaker willed individuals inorder to control and manipulate their lackies with "charisma". Many Polititians seem to fall under this definition.

- Psy-leech [Psychic "leech"ism]

A Psy-leech is a normal person (one w/o an energy deficiency) that practices the techniques of a Pranic Vampire in order to 'get high' from the energies of a person, or to increase their own power at the expense of those around them. We are ALL Psy-leeches to one degree or another as with any magic there is a 'pulling of energies' while energy is 'universal' one must keep in mind that we are all part of the universe! A well practiced psy-leech can be dangerous as with some types of this magic (and/or psychic power) the draining of their targets shielding is common (leaving most novice magickians UNPROTECTED for further attacks).



Have you ever encountered any of these 'types' of people? I know that I have. It seems to me that in the disembodied world of the Internet, these 'types' are possibly more rampant than anywhere else.

They suck your energy and ideas, use them as their own, and then seek the next victim. Just a thought. I'd be interested in yours.

As a Satanist, this can be nothing more than the truth. I hate people who are attention whores and crave attention like it's a life force.
I believe they do exist, and however, my religion does not wish harm upon others, I don't respect people like this.

 

[kendo1]

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[cloudy]

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exactly.

 

[kendo1]

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