Post posting censorship

[Boratus]

Hey authors,

Maybe you can help me out with this one. After a year in the top 5 of mind control, chapter 3 of my My Fair Slut series got banned. The reason sighted: people under the age of 18 having sex.

OK first of all, I'm pretty sure there are people under the age of 18 out their having sex. Secondly, if the policy here is not to allow stories of that kind then they shouldn't approve them and then ban them a year later. I suspect that some reader may have reported it recently thus causing the removal. I was unaware that such a policy even existed until I tried to submit chapter 7. Maybe that's the point that they started enforcing the rule. If that is the case then they should really go and take out every single story with teenage sex because I've ready lots on this site!

To further complicate things I re-submitted the story, taking out the middle section (where said sex occurred) but put a disclaimer at the beginning that the section was removed and that if readers wished to read the "uncut" version they should contact me personally. The story was reposted WITHOUT the disclaimer so now it just has an annoying discontinue in the middle. I see this as editing of MY work by the staff here and take great offense.

I've sent emails to the admin to get this resolved with no response. Anyone else have similar problems? Is there anything we can do to stop this sort of things?


Help!
Boratus.

 

[cloudy]

Hey authors,

Maybe you can help me out with this one. After a year in the top 5 of mind control, chapter 3 of my My Fair Slut series got banned. The reason sighted: people under the age of 18 having sex.

OK first of all, I'm pretty sure there are people under the age of 18 out their having sex. Secondly, if the policy here is not to allow stories of that kind then they shouldn't approve them and then ban them a year later. I suspect that some reader may have reported it recently thus causing the removal. I was unaware that such a policy even existed until I tried to submit chapter 7. Maybe that's the point that they started enforcing the rule. If that is the case then they should really go and take out every single story with teenage sex because I've ready lots on this site!

To further complicate things I re-submitted the story, taking out the middle section (where said sex occurred) but put a disclaimer at the beginning that the section was removed and that if readers wished to read the "uncut" version they should contact me personally. The story was reposted WITHOUT the disclaimer so now it just has an annoying discontinue in the middle. I see this as editing of MY work by the staff here and take great offense.

I've sent emails to the admin to get this resolved with no response. Anyone else have similar problems? Is there anything we can do to stop this sort of things?


Help!
Boratus.

No.

Part of submitting stories here is understanding that the site belongs to Laurel and Manu, and they make the rules. You either have to accept them, and live with them, or choose not to post stories here.

 

[oggbashan]

The owners of this free site can set their own rules.

One of the most basic ones is that people do not have sex or even think about sex until they are 18 years old.

Whether you agree with it or not, that is the policy.

It may be unrealistic compared with life but it is sensible to avoid upsetting people who would like Literotica closed down.

Any erotic sites are vulnerable to attack from various sources. Being able to say that there is NO child sex is a good defence against many of the critics.

If you don't like the rule, you should post the stories that include teenage sex elsewhere.

I am sorry to be so blunt but the 18+ rule protects this community.

Og

 

[Weird Harold]

Is there anything we can do to stop this sort of things?

Yes, we can encourage authors to actually READ all of the Submission Guidleines.

We can encourge authors to FOLLOW those guidlines.

We can explain that Literotica is a privately owned site that provides a congenial environment to post stories that DO fit within the Submission guidlines, but stories are hostd by Literotica at the discretion and whim of the site owners and can be removed at anytime for any reason without violating your right to free speech in any way.

Just because you slipped one by the editors for a whole year does NOT change the fact the story did not meet the submission guidlines. Violating another provision of the guidlines now has you upset again (No HTML, Links, or author information within the stories.)

If you can't read and follow Lit's rather short list of restrictions, then go practice your free speech somewhere else.

 

[Boratus]

I think you're missing the point. I've been writing my stories since I found out about the rule with no under 18 sex but I find it unfair that they would edit my story. Also, if this rule is now enforced and my story gets scrapped because of it then the fair thing would be to remove all other stories posted before this rule. That's actually something I would want because there are some great stories on this site like that but fair is fair.

btw, just so we're clear, I'm against child porn and clearly see the reason for the rule but at the same time don't see a problem with 2 high school kids having sex.

B.

 

[Liar]

Well, if it does involve sex with ppl under 18, it violates Lit policy, and should not be on this site anyway. I'm not saying that erotic stories with younger people is wrong or right, but it's the way it is with Lit.

My guess it that your story was approved by mistake the first time around, and that when the powers that be discovered this, they corrected this mistake. I have seen many story with teen sex where the participants probably are under 18 due to their behaviour, but it is never spelled out. One or twice I have encountered a story with actual younger teens, and at least at one occation I have seen it get removed.

I don't know about your second draft with the disclaimer. Could it have violated some othet Lit rule?

 

[Boratus]

Re: Re: Post posting censorship

I don't know about your second draft with the disclaimer. Could it have violated some othet Lit rule?

Possibly, but then it should have been rejected again rather than edited and posted. I can deal with rejection it's this editing that's really bugging me.

 

[Liar]

Also, if this rule is now enforced and my story gets scrapped because of it then the fair thing would be to remove all other stories posted before this rule.

Laurel checks out all stories that are reported to her, and if she finds one that have slipped through the net at the first screening, she will do what she did with yours. The problem is, there are thousands upon thousands of stories on this site, and she have no chance to go back and proofread them all.

 

[minsue]

... remove all other stories posted before this rule.

I think there may be some confusion here about this rule. It is not a new rule, B, and yours is certainly not the first to be removed. As others have stated, some stories simply slip through undetected.

 

[Belegon]

The rule about age has certainly been in effect for the two+ years that I have been here...

 

[Weird Harold]

Also, if this rule is now enforced and my story gets scrapped because of it then the fair thing would be to remove all other stories posted before this rule. That's actually something I would want because there are some great stories on this site like that but fair is fair.

The rule has been enforced for the five-plus years I've been hanging out here and your "tragedy" is nothing new.

If you know of any story that violates the rule, then notify Laurel with an example of how you feel it violates the rule, and it will get removed just as yours was.

The policy on personal info, links, and references to specific sites has always been that the offending portions will be removed if it isn't part of the story -- or the story rejected if it's integral to the story.

It is not the Site Owners' fault that you didn't read and understand the submission guidelines -- they just enforce them as if you had.

I don't know of any change in the guidelines or in the standards of enforcement since the site opened -- I know that there haven't been any changes in over five years.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Removing a disclaimer isn't editing, at least not in my opinion. When I first started visiting the boards someone found a story that had slipped through where the main character had sex with a german sheppard. No system of review is foolproof. Just as no system of rules isn't in some ways arbitraty.

18 is the age of majority here in the states, The age of conscent varries wildly from state to state, but at 18 you are no longer a minor in any state. We all know sex before 18 occurs daily, but when you write here you just have to accept that sex before eighteen isn't going to be allowed. You cannot use sex with a minor as a plot device and thus you have to write your stories in that way.

If you feel you are being treated unfairly PM Laurel. She gets back to her pm's in a much more timely manner than her emails. To date I have never had any problem she wasn't quick to help me with. I assume you will get the same kind of courteous and prompt treatment.

-Colly

 

[Pure]

Boratus,
I don't see any valid complaint at all. Your story slipped through the first time, just like a mouse sometimes gets into a hamburger.

*You* choose to delete a portion, and if it makes no sense with that deletion, you've only yourself to blame.

No one's obliged to email you, nor is Lit obliged to help you flog stories that break their rules.

As far as deleting *all* stories that don't comply: This is indeed the policy, as far as they become known to Laurel and Manu.

 

[cantdog]

Not to be contentious, but this is a market like any other. Writers write to a market. Editors accept and reject writers' stories. That's the mechanics of writing and publishing. You edit your work to meet the needs of the market, and then they accept it. Try submitting to print media. Try submitting, in fact, to any place. They will accept and reject as the stories or articles meet their criteria.

Most places, space is a consideration, and you end up cutting 600 or 2000 words to get accepted. That really impacts a work very strongly, but you either rewrite to fit their needs or cease to submit.

I mean. "It won't fit." What kind of excuse is that? But that's the biz, dude.

 

[snooper]

... I don't know of any change in the guidelines or in the standards of enforcement since the site opened -- I know that there haven't been any changes in over five years.

Er, I never thought I'd post this, but:

Not exactly.

There used to be a link to Extreme Stories for "unacceptable" ones and that has gone.

However, "Erotic Horror" now takes snuff stories which were once "Extreme" and then became taboo.

 

[Pure]

yes, snoop,

there has been some added caution.

but as you say, if it's straight violence, horror has the ability to absorb all.

so that leaves horse and dog fucking as no longer OK (for Lit), though if you had a demonic dog doing horrific sexual things (impregnating women of an entire neighborhood with a demon seed) , wouldn't that be horror?

has anyone tried it?

 

[RebeccaLeah]

yes, snoop,

there has been some added caution.

but as you say, if it's straight violence, horror has the ability to absorb all.

so that leaves horse and dog fucking as no longer OK (for Lit), though if you had a demonic dog doing horrific sexual things (impregnating women of an entire neighborhood with a demon seed) , wouldn't that be horror?

has anyone tried it?

I've seen some pretty f-ed up demons and such so it could probably happen. I noticed the link being gone though, suprised me a bit.

 

[Guest]

Your story slipped through the first time, just like a mouse sometimes gets into a hamburger.

Do we have a thread for off-the-wall similes?

Perdita

 

[pop_54]

yes, snoop,

there has been some added caution.

but as you say, if it's straight violence, horror has the ability to absorb all.

so that leaves horse and dog fucking as no longer OK (for Lit), though if you had a demonic dog doing horrific sexual things (impregnating women of an entire neighborhood with a demon seed) , wouldn't that be horror?

has anyone tried it?

I'll try it one day and let you know.

 

[pop_54]

Do we have a thread for off-the-wall similes?

Perdita

Yes dear

 

[pop_54]

Oh on the thread subject... rules is rules.... mistakes get made on all sides... Folks is only human...The story was mistakenly posted with underage sex in it... it was mistakenly accepted... that has now been rectified.

If I were you mate I'd pull the chapter and re-write it with no mention of age... if you don't say Gladys was a pretty 16 yr old... but instead say... Gady's was an attractive teenager... no one can accuse you of being a pedo... cos it's up to the reader to interpret attractive teenager, and under Lit rules you have two years of 'teenage' left after you become sexually mature, so I can see no objection from the site.

 

[Guest]

Boratus:

Listen to Pops.

Perdita


p.s. 'ello, pirate puss.

 

[snooper]

... though if you had a demonic dog doing horrific sexual things (impregnating women of an entire neighborhood with a demon seed) , wouldn't that be horror?

No. That would be Sci Fi & Fantasy.

 

[pop_54]

Re: Boratus:

Listen to Pops.

Perdita


p.s. 'ello, pirate puss.

Ello Gorgeous & Gorgeous

 

[Just-Legal]

No. That would be Sci Fi & Fantasy.

Actually no, it would be Non-Human