Possible load blocking failure

[SmilingLez]

There seems to be a load‑blocking failure happening on certain forum pages. When a thread contains multiple embedded external links, especially YouTube or Spotify, the page stalls while trying to load those external scripts.

When that happens, the reply text box never appears at all. The page itself eventually loads, but the interface doesn’t finish rendering, so there’s no place for me to type a response.

On threads without embedded media, the page loads quicker and the text box appears normally.

This looks like a backend issue where external content is blocking the script that generates the reply field.

 

[TheWritingGroup]

It would probably be helpful to link to a couple of these threads.

 

[SmilingLez]

Since you always request screenshots - here you go. It took almost a full minute for the page to fully load. Everything below the second entry is either a black square or there is nothing at all but a white fixed box

 

[yano2mch]

You're on mobile then? Sounds like you are hitting a resource limit on your phone, and the app is chugging.

A lot of phones typically have 2Gb or less, and while sites are intended to be lite to run simpler, that doesn't mean all sites adhere to the simpler processes. In the last 10 years or so, the net has went from lean and mean pages, to instead going with CSS and requiring dozens of megabytes of other pages to download to run and render it. This doesn't sound like a lot, but when i close my browser down, it tends to free a couple dozen gigabytes of RAM when open for a while. As such to speed up the pages a lot of places do dynamic loading. So it will require JS rather than giving you the barebones of what you need for the full page, then it will load sections as you scroll. Might think of Facebook where it's the endless scroller, 10 posts/videos loaded rather than say 50 per page.

On some sites I've seen where when you post an image/video/link elsewhere, it will preview it, then cache it locally and feed you the cached/condensed information, usually site name/location/title first paragraph, image preview, etc. While other embeddings will load the entire player, which then loads the image and preview.

Here on lit i don't see the dynamic loading, but the pages are running scripts to fetch information, images, video and audio feeds.

In short disable scripting (if you can) and i'd bet the problems will go away. I'd go with Firefox plus Ublock and NoScript. Those have worked wonders for me in the past.

 

[SmilingLez]

You're on mobile then? Sounds like you are hitting a resource limit on your phone, and the app is chugging.

A lot of phones typically have 2Gb or less, and while sites are intended to be lite to run simpler, that doesn't mean all sites adhere to the simpler processes. In the last 10 years or so, the net has went from lean and mean pages, to instead going with CSS and requiring dozens of megabytes of other pages to download to run and render it. This doesn't sound like a lot, but when i close my browser down, it tends to free a couple dozen gigabytes of RAM when open for a while. As such to speed up the pages a lot of places do dynamic loading. So it will require JS rather than giving you the barebones of what you need for the full page, then it will load sections as you scroll. Might think of Facebook where it's the endless scroller, 10 posts/videos loaded rather than say 50 per page.

On some sites I've seen where when you post an image/video/link elsewhere, it will preview it, then cache it locally and feed you the cached/condensed information, usually site name/location/title first paragraph, image preview, etc. While other embeddings will load the entire player, which then loads the image and preview.

Here on lit i don't see the dynamic loading, but the pages are running scripts to fetch information, images, video and audio feeds.

In short disable scripting (if you can) and i'd bet the problems will go away. I'd go with Firefox plus Ublock and NoScript. Those have worked wonders for me in the past.

TY - Scripting is disabled - will try Firefox. But this issue does not occur on shopping sites with wall to wall images. Also clean browsing data daily. Only keep 1 browser tab opened.

This is recent issue with viewing lit on the web

 

[yano2mch]

TY - Scripting is disabled - will try Firefox. But this issue does not occur on shopping sites with wall to wall images. Also clean browsing data daily. Only keep 1 browser tab opened.

This is recent issue with viewing lit on the web

Wall to wall images don't require loading an external app/program where each app that may have it's own interfacing and background processes to work, as well as sandboxing may result in each instance of the app loading multiple times for each separate instance to be totally separated.

Youtube afterall doesn't share files for their videos, instead they do a very obfuscated stream configuration.


Back in 2007 i remember downloading anime (Naruto i think) while i was in the army, and to get anime a little easier i would open several tabs one tab for each episode so i could then have it preloaded enough of the information in order to download the episodes one after the other; My laptop came to a crawl and didn't like having more than 3 tabs open.

I then got FlashBlock added which blocked advertisements and video players. Instantly everything ran smoothly if it were 5 tabs or 30. I'm not sure if it was just eating CPU cycles or RAM or what, but considering Flash is slow AND they demand you run it at 'HIGHEST POSSIBLE SETTINGS AND BITRATE' for ads, yeah...

 

[SmilingLez]

You're on mobile then? Sounds like you are hitting a resource limit on your phone, and the app is chugging.

A lot of phones typically have 2Gb or less, and while sites are intended to be lite to run simpler, that doesn't mean all sites adhere to the simpler processes. In the last 10 years or so, the net has went from lean and mean pages, to instead going with CSS and requiring dozens of megabytes of other pages to download to run and render it. This doesn't sound like a lot, but when i close my browser down, it tends to free a couple dozen gigabytes of RAM when open for a while. As such to speed up the pages a lot of places do dynamic loading. So it will require JS rather than giving you the barebones of what you need for the full page, then it will load sections as you scroll. Might think of Facebook where it's the endless scroller, 10 posts/videos loaded rather than say 50 per page.

On some sites I've seen where when you post an image/video/link elsewhere, it will preview it, then cache it locally and feed you the cached/condensed information, usually site name/location/title first paragraph, image preview, etc. While other embeddings will load the entire player, which then loads the image and preview.

Here on lit i don't see the dynamic loading, but the pages are running scripts to fetch information, images, video and audio feeds.

In short disable scripting (if you can) and i'd bet the problems will go away. I'd go with Firefox plus Ublock and NoScript. Those have worked wonders for me in the past.

Firefox slightly faster. Same applies to my laptop and tablet. Still believe it is a load blocking failure bug. YMMV

Edit - I don't expect the powers that be to acknowledge my post let alone look into it. There is no ROI (FINANCIAL BENEFIT) in doing so

 

[yano2mch]

Firefox slightly faster. Same applies to my laptop and tablet. Still believe it is a load blocking failure bug. YMMV

Edit - I don't expect the powers that be to acknowledge my post let alone look into it. There is no ROI (FINANCIAL BENEFIT) in doing so

Maybe. Still suggest putting NoScript on, and then disabling Google/Youtube scripting. Blocking Literotica makes the comment block go away, so no stopping either of those i guess...

 

[SmilingLez]

Maybe. Still suggest putting NoScript on, and then disabling Google/Youtube scripting. Blocking Literotica makes the comment block go away, so no stopping either of those i guess...

I do have no script on as well as disabling Google/YouTube scripting. No significant speed difference. Still takes a long time to load especially when there are lots of YouTube links. It would be nice if all they were were links and not pics. Just got to live with it. Powers that be aren't going to optimize the site, heck they barely maintain it (based on the time entries in the site maintenance page)

My opinion and ymmv

 

[yano2mch]

So you have disabled them? Hmmm... not sure.

Could always do GreaseMonkey. It's where you make a js script to modify text incoming from a site, then you can just clip out the offending sections. Though that's a lot of DIY knowhow, and looking at the html source to see what needs to be regex'd out.

Ublock also has a section to hide unwanted portions, but i don't know if that changes if they load or not (and aren't displayed) or aren't loaded at all. Good for cleaning up sites with predictable sections like annoying ads, or suggestion blocks.

Well beyond that i don't know.

 

[SmilingLez]

So you have disabled them? Hmmm... not sure.

Could always do GreaseMonkey. It's where you make a js script to modify text incoming from a site, then you can just clip out the offending sections. Though that's a lot of DIY knowhow, and looking at the html source to see what needs to be regex'd out.

Ublock also has a section to hide unwanted portions, but i don't know if that changes if they load or not (and aren't displayed) or aren't loaded at all. Good for cleaning up sites with predictable sections like annoying ads, or suggestion blocks.

Well beyond that i don't know.

It's not worth all the trouble just for literotica, now is it? Also there's no guarantee that it isn't a bug

 

[TheWritingGroup]

As mentioned elsethread, the code for "New" Literotica is a weird blodge of stuff that's mostly redundant and/or just poorly coded. Try switching back to Basic.

 

[SmilingLez]

As mentioned elsethread, the code for "New" Literotica is a weird blodge of stuff that's mostly redundant and/or just poorly coded. Try switching back to Basic.

The lag time is identical. Running Android OS 11 Network connected - 1 GB

 

[TheWritingGroup]

Android 11 is very, very obsolete. It hasn't seen an update in two years. One wonders what newer Android would be like.

In fact, I wondered, so I just checked. On my this-year Android phone and on WiFi, pages load in about 1/10 of a second.

 

[SmilingLez]

I thought I was on OS 11 but Motorola updated it to OS 12, I remember it being OS 11 when I got it so thank you for your post I would never have known

 

[yano2mch]

It's not worth all the trouble just for literotica, now is it? Also there's no guarantee that it isn't a bug

Agreed, for a single site it wouldn't work.

But i wonder if a similar effect of the original plugin i was thinking of. Originally it was FlashBlock i think, which had all the physical presence of the flash object and you had to click it to enable it, rather than being automatically enabled.

I haven't tested it, but PageCleaner and Smart Media Blocking seem promising.