PornHub in trouble..

[SimonDoom]

Not to be picking and I know that this is the classic way of expressing something that happens everyday year round, but shouldn't that be either 24/365 or 24/7/52?

24/7/365 is just not right. The first number denotes a day, the second denotes a week. Now everyone has added 365, what does that mean? A year. Then why express the week time frame if you're going to make an entire year. And as you have expressed the week, wouldn't the number of weeks then be appropriate?

Sorry, just a pet peeve I have.

It doesn't make sense in terms of the mathematical relations between the figures, but it does as an expression of how people commonly talk and understand lengths of time. "365" conveys a year to most people, I think, more clearly and rapidly than does "52." It does to me, anyway. And I think "365 days a year" is probably more familiar to more people as an expression of constantly working than is "52 weeks a year." I'm not sure why that is, but I think it's so.

 

[NotWise]

It doesn't make sense in terms of the mathematical relations between the figures, but it does as an expression of how people commonly talk and understand lengths of time. "365" conveys a year to most people, I think, more clearly and rapidly than does "52." It does to me, anyway. And I think "365 days a year" is probably more familiar to more people as an expression of constantly working than is "52 weeks a year." I'm not sure why that is, but I think it's so.

Do you know what might be even better? "All the time." It's three simple syllables.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

If you compare the amount of people who consume porn through platforms like Pornhub to the number of people who pay for porn, it’ll probably be a very small percentage. That means performers and producers can’t get properly compensated and I think that breeds exploitation. Honestly, the quality of the experience on paid networks is also just superior — I’d recommend it wholeheartedly!

I think camming and OnlyFans have been good for performers, and we’re already seeing a lot of businesses aim to be the "Netflix of porn" by bringing lots of brands under one platform. But if the "mainstream" response to exploitation in porn is going to be "we’ll stop people from spending money on it", then I think we’ll be doing the exact opposite of what’s needed. (I’m not saying the big networks are free of exploitative practices, but it’s better than a free-for-all)

 

[Soshameless11]

The porn industry has driven a lot of technological advances (think camming, streaming video, commerce). The biggest effect of credit card companies going away will be the more mainstream adoption of cryptocurrency.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

The porn industry has driven a lot of technological advances (think camming, streaming video, commerce). The biggest effect of credit card companies going away will be the more mainstream adoption of cryptocurrency.

Definitely!

 

[Bramblethorn]

Some background on the campaign: https://www.xbiz.com/news/248603/ho...alots-became-the-medias-sexploitation-experts

TLDR: while companies like Pornhub are far from blameless, a lot of the pressure against them comes from anti-porn fundies who recently changed their name from "Morality in Media" to "National Center on Sexual Exploitation".

(Not the same as the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, but also not the first time a fundie group has picked a name that's [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians]confusingly similar to an existing organisation[/url].)

 

[Jada59]

I had been pretty much only using Xhamster for some time. But a Lit friend was talking about some stuff on Porn Hub so I tried them again. I was pretty shocked at some of the things I saw. I think they have since taken down those vids. I saw things like plastic bags over heads, wax being poured in places that could seriously damage or kill, and yes, maybe even underage. Those were just clips of what appeared to be older, sometimes black and white movies. These appeared to be underage males. I also saw one video where the comments said it had to be a snuff film. If it was, they cut it off before that part but it was seriously disturbing.

 

[bowlerhat]

I know that exploitation goes on in porn sites, but the sexualization of girls at younger and younger ages has been going on at an accelerating rate for at least the last 50 years. Junior "Beauty Pageants" are one minor culprit but why does the fashion industry promote the same "look" to young girls as to 18-25 year olds out on the pull.
I suppose that we as parents are as much to blame for letting our daughters get away with dressing like that. How big a step in logic is it from "they think it is ok for me to dress like this" to "so they must think it is ok for me to behave the same way".

 

[vladm]

I'm a shareholder in Mastercard, and a group of shareholders initiated action a few years ago against the company for using our property (the company) as a morality weapon, and I suppose we will do it again.

A few years ago, the company created policy that they would cease doing business with any company that manufactured, distributed, or supplied any firearms related products. This was during the wave of pearl clutching after the shooting in Connecticut school. Companies are companies, not moral arbiters, they are the property of the shareholders, not the board. We initiated action against Coca Cola this summer over their direct donations to Social Justice charities and advertising same, under the same premise.

This case seems the same. The company may rightfully fear being prosecuted for enabling crimes, but no crimes have been committed, at least none that have been successfully prosecuted. The company's board have a legal, fiduciary, obligation to protect theninterests of the company and its value to shareholders, it has literally no obligation to social justice.

If Pornhub is doing something illegal, there are courts that need to prosecute. Prosecuting a case through a company's credit card processor is going around the law, or going around unprovable cases. Imagine if, during the Tipper Gore crusade of the 80s and 90s she had been successful in getting Mastercard to threaten record stores for selling immoral or possibly illegal records? Does a company fear more the law or its credit card processor? One must prove a case in a court of law, the other can simply draft and send a letter.

As an example, Pornhub had banned anything urine related for years, then, on changing the policy, urine related content soared, and they made money. Letting customers choose what they want to see is the way, up to the line set by law. If they are doing something illegal, the law can and should prosecute, but it isn't Mastercard's business to play morality police.

 

[vladm]

The porn industry has driven a lot of technological advances (think camming, streaming video, commerce). The biggest effect of credit card companies going away will be the more mainstream adoption of cryptocurrency.

The home videocassette industry, and every outgrowth of it, owe their existences to porn, the day men discovered they can watch porn from the safety of their homes, an industry was born. The internet gives performers the chance now to get a bigger piece of their own pie, and it's possible the fledgling studios are striking back, accusing or maybe even manufacturing crimes.

 

[jaF0]

I'm a shareholder in Mastercard, and a group of shareholders initiated action a few years ago against the company for using our property (the company) as a morality weapon, and I suppose we will do it again.


We initiated action against Coca Cola this summer over their direct donations to Social Justice charities and advertising same, under the same premise.

You don't see the direct conflict between your actions and theirs?

 

[vladm]

You don't see the direct conflict between your actions and theirs?

nop. We aren't advocating against their specific action, but against ANY action. Our company that we invest our money in should be making us money, not acting as a public service or charity or police agency. If they process the credit cards for both the American Nazi Party and the Jewish Defense League, that is consistent with their obligations and our group's goals. Should they choose either or both to stop doing business with, then we have a problem.

 

[jaF0]

Should they choose either or both to stop doing business with, then we have a problem.

Which makes you what you advocate against ... a 'social justice warrior'. You want to tell them what to do to align with your beliefs.

 

[vladm]

Which makes you what you advocate against ... a 'social justice warrior'. You want to tell them what to do to align with your beliefs.

nop. We want them to do nothing. Just keep making us money. Period.

 

[RelentlessOnanism]

It's weird, I’ve spent plenty of time wanking myself into a coma on Pornhub (and numerous other tube sites) and I’ve never come across (so to speak) anything that was remotely 'underage' material. It's true that I wouldn't be looking for it, but surely if there's so much of it there, you would stumble across it?

 

[Rustyoznail]

It's weird, I’ve spent plenty of time wanking myself into a coma on Pornhub (and numerous other tube sites) and I’ve never come across (so to speak) anything that was remotely 'underage' material. It's true that I wouldn't be looking for it, but surely if there's so much of it there, you would stumble across it?

Agreed. I do a lot of "research" there, and I haven't seen anything that's blatantly underage. I'm sure there's stuff buried deep with keywords and titles that don't really identify what the video is really about. Especially if it's written in something other than English or German.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

...I'm sure there's stuff buried deep with keywords and titles that don't really identify what the video is really about.

Which actually was one of the amusing things about the NYT article: he was very clear on which keywords to search for.

 

[vladm]

They've now become super socially conscious about even search terms. As of last Friday, searching the word 'nigger' came up with a million hits, today, you get we're sorry that search came up with nothing. 'Cracker' 'honkey' 'redneck' 'faggot' still give normal results. If you read the help document about their new policy, it's straight out of the sjw playbook, where under the guise of ridding the site of child porn, a crime, they also have gone after all kinds of things companies like Mastercard no doubt told them to go after, which are not crimes.

After seven years and five as content producers, we deleted our account yesterday. Don't want to be part of that circus. A friend who owns a content producing studio and distribution company has done the same. PH was awesome for a long long time, and was even still improving despite camsites and onlyfans type sites eating their revenue and monetization means. A great business model threatened into submission by a big corporation imposing its morality. Sound familiar?

 

[Emirus]

It's weird, I’ve spent plenty of time wanking myself into a coma on Pornhub, and numerous other tube sites.

“Wanking myself into a coma.” That really puts a picture into the mind which one is probably better off without. It does make me wonder what the hospital staff thought when you were brought in on the stretcher.

 

[nylonpunkie]

Some very thought provoking mentalities on show in this thread, I am glad that this site works so hard to keep out disturbing material.

Reading stories is so much more immersive than watching people act something out in a video. You get right inside characters' heads - and the sad truth is there are some people's heads that you just don't want to be inside.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

I'm a shareholder in Mastercard, and a group of shareholders initiated action a few years ago against the company for using our property (the company) as a morality weapon, and I suppose we will do it again.

A few years ago, the company created policy that they would cease doing business with any company that manufactured, distributed, or supplied any firearms related products. This was during the wave of pearl clutching after the shooting in Connecticut school. Companies are companies, not moral arbiters, they are the property of the shareholders, not the board. We initiated action against Coca Cola this summer over their direct donations to Social Justice charities and advertising same, under the same premise.

This case seems the same. The company may rightfully fear being prosecuted for enabling crimes, but no crimes have been committed, at least none that have been successfully prosecuted. The company's board have a legal, fiduciary, obligation to protect theninterests of the company and its value to shareholders, it has literally no obligation to social justice.

If Pornhub is doing something illegal, there are courts that need to prosecute. Prosecuting a case through a company's credit card processor is going around the law, or going around unprovable cases. Imagine if, during the Tipper Gore crusade of the 80s and 90s she had been successful in getting Mastercard to threaten record stores for selling immoral or possibly illegal records? Does a company fear more the law or its credit card processor? One must prove a case in a court of law, the other can simply draft and send a letter.

As an example, Pornhub had banned anything urine related for years, then, on changing the policy, urine related content soared, and they made money. Letting customers choose what they want to see is the way, up to the line set by law. If they are doing something illegal, the law can and should prosecute, but it isn't Mastercard's business to play morality police.

And I find it really fucked up how companies such as Master Card and Paypal can basically make companies that deal with them bend to their will because they manage the money, or what have you, when they oughta be happy they're making money from transactions and such. They very well do act on morals and play morality police, if they didn't the only things paramont would be; "will it cause us to lose money," or "is it illegal?" Not because of what they think is morally wrong outside of actual illegal things.

 

[JamesMiehoff]

[Disclaimer]
I have not been on PornHub in a while so my views may be different than current reality.
[/Disclaimer]

I am not a frequent visitor to any of the streaming sites, but it used to be that a lot of the videos were edited (i.e. shortened with the "best" parts edited out) versions of longer films available on their respective commercial subscription sites. They were uploaded with the intent to generate interest in the parent site. That is why there is either a commercial in the beginning, the end or a web site is prominently displayed somewhere on the screen.

The only ones I recall that didn't conform to that style were the "amateur" videos. If they were serious about covering their butts they would require a statement of legal requirements to be met by the uploader.

The last time I was on PornHub, I was researching double penetration for a story. I know, it sounds like a cop out/rationalization but alas, I have not been party to one of these sexual acts so I couldn't figure out how to describe some of the mechanical issues involved. Seconds after searching I had a plethora of examples to choose from and in fact I picked one and completely rewrote the scene to match what real people could in fact physically do. I kept the original snippet for a couple of years as a lesson in "Do Your Fucking Research First, Stupid!"

While I don't agree with what Mastercard is doing in attempting to force their morality on others, I don't have a lot of sympathy for PornHub or its legal staff if they let greed cause them to become sloppy in following the rules.

I could be wrong, but wasn't Mastercard the first of the major credit card companies to ban transactions to online casinos? Even though the casinos were completely compliant with the rules and regulations of the host countries?

James

 

[Emirus]

[Disclaimer]
The last time I was on PornHub, I was researching double penetration for a story. James

Visiting porn sites for the purpose? That’s my excuse as well. Actually, not long ago, I visited looking for videos on cunnilingus and found a good one by Nina Hartley. I wanted to include a detailed account in a story of an experienced lady teaching a young man how to do it properly. My technique has always attracted praise (except in the early days) but I wanted to get it right and searching for teaching videos seemed to be a good idea. Not the usual reason given.

Sometimes you can come across something different you can use because writing the same bdsm and sex scenes over and over again gets boring. I know a section of readers don’t care if you put the same sex scene in every story but that’s not why I write.

As for Pornhub a couple of videos featuring a friend of mine have been removed. She is an attractive mature 50 something lady (I admit I’m biased) and in both she fucks a (less than handsome) 35 year old. The usual straight forward storyline and nothing kinky or underage about it and it’s been deleted with the “seeking verification” reason.

 

[Novengliae2]

And I find it really fucked up how companies such as Master Card and Paypal can basically make companies that deal with them bend to their will because they manage the money, or what have you, when they oughta be happy they're making money from transactions and such. They very well do act on morals and play morality police, if they didn't the only things paramont would be; "will it cause us to lose money," or "is it illegal?" Not because of what they think is morally wrong outside of actual illegal things.

Is it really morality police MC is playing, or are they just following the current of their bigger sources of income? By doing this, MC gets to have its cake and eat it, too. They keep the PH account while making a lot of their other customers happy. It seems to me that it’s all about business, and very little with morality.

 

[Imupforitbaby69]

I get good story lines from them, don't know if they're visually telling stories they read here or I and others like me are 'lending' from them... But I know if I'm looking for hardcore or against the rules porn, pornhub is not the place to look.