Political Role-Playing

[islandman]

Scene:

1) Biden wins the election;

2) Trump, having laid the foundation for an illegitimate outcome, refuses to accept said outcome;

3) Trump initiates lawsuits that call election results into question that (I assume) are immediately escalated to the purview of SCOTUS;

4) Concurrently, Trump engages the Biden camp in negotiations to effect a clean transfer of power so long as him and his are given blanket immunity for transgressions prior to and while in office;


As a citizen, what is your reaction to the above scenario?

 

[KeithD]

Scene:

1) Biden wins the election;

2) Trump, having laid the foundation for an illegitimate outcome, refuses to accept said outcome;

3) Trump initiates lawsuits that call election results into question that (I assume) are immediately escalated to the purview of SCOTUS;

4) Concurrently, Trump engages the Biden camp in negotiations to effect a clean transfer of power so long as him and his are given blanket immunity for transgressions prior to and while in office;


As a citizen, what is your reaction to the above scenario?

I think this is a reasonable setup, seeing that it stops short of the Biden camp agreeing to give Trump immunity, which I don't see happening.

How I would continue this is that, not long after an election Biden wins, he announces that the huge amount of campaign money left over will go to meeting the challenge of the pandemic immediately, not waiting for January. He garners overwhelming American approval and support for this. The money goes to salaries and setup of a publicly announced pandemic council immediately coming out with guidelines that Biden encourages all Americans to adhere to for their own good pending him taking office and doing what a president has power to do to enforce them. There is some resistance to this, but the overall pandemic situation improves, which bolsters Biden's transition into office.

I also see Biden announcing a cabinet that includes responsible Republicans. This also bolsters support for his transition into power.

I see the federal bureaucracy then falling in behind Biden in the transition, neutralizing Trump's continuing blustering and craziness. I see Trump trying to hang on up to inauguration day, pretending he still has power and exercising what little he can muster. On the morning of inauguration day, with inauguration being done in the virtual realm both because of the continuing pandemic and because the Trump administration has done no work on an inauguration ceremony, Trump will be gone, whether willingly or by Secret Service removal, and will not be part of the handover.

Trump may or may not withdraw to Florida while the legal system begins to catch up with him and he looks for someplace to escape to--as a virtual pauper because his financial house of cards collapses around him--from whence he works the media as well as he can do before either a stroke or an assassin takes him out, quite probably not long before his report-to-prison date.

He leaves his children to face the music and a perpetual listing as the worst president ever.

 

[Wrong Element]

Scene:

1) Biden wins the election;

2) Trump, having laid the foundation for an illegitimate outcome, refuses to accept said outcome;

3) Trump initiates lawsuits that call election results into question that (I assume) are immediately escalated to the purview of SCOTUS;

4) Concurrently, Trump engages the Biden camp in negotiations to effect a clean transfer of power so long as him and his are given blanket immunity for transgressions prior to and while in office;


As a citizen, what is your reaction to the above scenario?

My main response is that the results of the election aren't dependent on Trump "accepting" them. If he loses, he will no longer be president as of noon on January 20. (And most of the let's-fuck-the-election scenarios being thought up by the GOP presupposed that the vote would be at least be close. This seems less likely with each passing day.)

And the scenario in 4) would end the Biden presidency before it began if he actually went along with it.

 

[Pookie]

Scene:

1) Biden wins the election;

2) Trump, having laid the foundation for an illegitimate outcome, refuses to accept said outcome;

3) Trump initiates lawsuits that call election results into question that (I assume) are immediately escalated to the purview of SCOTUS;

4) Concurrently, Trump engages the Biden camp in negotiations to effect a clean transfer of power so long as him and his are given blanket immunity for transgressions prior to and while in office;


As a citizen, what is your reaction to the above scenario?

If Biden wins by the percentages he currently leads by, step 2 will be Trump packing for his trip to a country with no extradition treaty with the US.

 

[islandman]

My main response is that the results of the election aren't dependent on Trump "accepting" them. If he loses, he will no longer be president as of noon on January 20. (And most of the let's-fuck-the-election scenarios being thought up by the GOP presupposed that the vote would be at least be close. This seems less likely with each passing day.)

And the scenario in 4) would end the Biden presidency before it began if he actually went along with it.

If Biden wins by the percentages he currently leads by, step 2 will be Trump packing for his trip to a country with no extradition treaty with the US.

I should have prefaced the scenario I presented by saying that I think the election will be closer than current polls suggest.

 

[islandman]

I think this is a reasonable setup, seeing that it stops short of the Biden camp agreeing to give Trump immunity, which I don't see happening.

How I would continue this is that, not long after an election Biden wins, he announces that the huge amount of campaign money left over will go to meeting the challenge of the pandemic immediately, not waiting for January. He garners overwhelming American approval and support for this. The money goes to salaries and setup of a publicly announced pandemic council immediately coming out with guidelines that Biden encourages all Americans to adhere to for their own good pending him taking office and doing what a president has power to do to enforce them. There is some resistance to this, but the overall pandemic situation improves, which bolsters Biden's transition into office.

I also see Biden announcing a cabinet that includes responsible Republicans. This also bolsters support for his transition into power.

I see the federal bureaucracy then falling in behind Biden in the transition, neutralizing Trump's continuing blustering and craziness. I see Trump trying to hang on up to inauguration day, pretending he still has power and exercising what little he can muster. On the morning of inauguration day, with inauguration being done in the virtual realm both because of the continuing pandemic and because the Trump administration has done no work on an inauguration ceremony, Trump will be gone, whether willingly or by Secret Service removal, and will not be part of the handover.

Trump may or may not withdraw to Florida while the legal system begins to catch up with him and he looks for someplace to escape to--as a virtual pauper because his financial house of cards collapses around him--from whence he works the media as well as he can do before either a stroke or an assassin takes him out, quite probably not long before his report-to-prison date.

He leaves his children to face the music and a perpetual listing as the worst president ever.

Whoa.......

Nice.

 

[KeithD]

If Biden wins by the percentages he currently leads by, step 2 will be Trump packing for his trip to a country with no extradition treaty with the US.

The problem is that I don't see "getting it and adjusting to it" being in Trump's nature anywhere near that quickly. We are not dealing with a sane man with any semblance of a hold on reality.

 

[islandman]

And the scenario in 4) would end the Biden presidency before it began if he actually went along with it.

I would applaud the move. Just turn the damn page and let history judge Trump. Biden's got work to do starting Day 1.

 

[Pookie]

I should have prefaced the scenario I presented by saying that I think the election will be closer than current polls suggest.

In that case, I don't see Biden offering/bargaining some kind of blanket immunity for Trump. It didn't work out well for Ford when he pardoned Nixon.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Put Trump on trial.

Impeach Biden for negotiating pardons for Trump and his sycophants.

Inaugurate Kamala.


PS - Biden putting Republicans in his cabinet? Really?

 

[bodysong]

Democrats followed the law, followed the Constitution, and put their trust in them.

Trump and his cronies have corrupted and perverted all processes.

There is no way to have a dependable prediction of what the outcome may be.

Trump's words are meaningless, he is willing to say anything, and he lies about everything.

 

[islandman]

PS - Biden putting Republicans in his cabinet? Really?

If it's the right person for the role, yes.

WTF is this continuing to be divisive for four more years bullshit?

 

[ShagTimes]

Trump will win on the night, but just get ready for an arse numbing few weeks of waiting and argument around the mail in votes. Can't wait.

 

[Pookie]

The problem is that I don't see "getting it and adjusting to it" being in Trump's nature anywhere near that quickly. We are not dealing with a sane man with any semblance of a hold on reality.

He is rather self-deluded, and his friends (Fox News, etc.) have tended to feed his self-view of invincibility. But, he knows the IRS is ready to pounce. So is the State Of New York. While he would fight to overturn the results any way he can, he'll have his affairs in order as much as he can to deal with the upcoming winter in the country he ends up relocating to.

Remember, he's also facing a half a billion dollar debt he has to repay to "someone" after this year. He doesn't even have personal money to contribute to his campaign now.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

If it's the right person for the role, yes.

WTF is this continuing to be divisive for four more years bullshit?

Name the "right person" and shall see I suppose although I would be hard pressed to name anyone.

And yes, there is going to be many more years of divisiveness. It has been going on for 50 years in case you have not been paying attention. Getting rid of Trump is just the smallest start on the long road to restoring our institutions and our economy.

 

[KeithD]

PS - Biden putting Republicans in his cabinet? Really?

How out of touch are you? He's already said he would do it. So, just watch and learn. Do you have any knowledge at all about what Biden has done in the "reach across the aisle" realm in the past?

 

[KeithD]

Remember, he's also facing a half a billion dollar debt he has to repay to "someone" after this year. He doesn't even have personal money to contribute to his campaign now.

In recent days his debt has been estimated to be closer to $900 million. He's living on someone else's money. Has been doing that all along.

 

[islandman]

Name the "right person" and shall see I suppose although I would be hard pressed to name anyone.

And yes, there is going to be many more years of divisiveness. It has been going on for 50 years in case you have not been paying attention. Getting rid of Trump is just the smallest start on the long road to restoring our institutions and our economy.

Not why I voted for Biden. Hopefully there's more focused on the road ahead than a a sense of payback to mete out.

 

[LLCox]

Put Trump on trial.

Impeach Biden for negotiating pardons for Trump and his sycophants.

Inaugurate Kamala.


PS - Biden putting Republicans in his cabinet? Really?

really

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news...n-kasich-cabinet-spot-report-says/5989149002/