Political Correctness

[Zeb_Carter]

This was posted in another forum I'm on.

"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and is rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

 

[rgraham666]

Most of the people complaining about political correctness are just bitching about the fact that it isn't their political correctness.

 

[DesertPirate]

This was posted in another forum I'm on.

"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and is rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

One of the two best definitions I've seen. The other is that "to be policaly correct you have to be a liar".

 

[starrkers]

Political correctness is a forced idyll.

 

[cloudy]

While I agree that sometimes political correctness can be carried way beyond what makes common sense, if there hadn't been a need for it to begin with, I doubt it'd be something we'd be discussing now.

Just sayin'.

 

[fifty5]

While I agree that sometimes political correctness can be carried way beyond what makes common sense, if there hadn't been a need for it to begin with, I doubt it'd be something we'd be discussing now.

Just sayin'.

Right on (exposing my age), Cloudy. Of course it's always possible to go OTT, but the bottom line of PC is respect for other - different - people's sensibilities. Basically, that's a good thing.

 

[Stella_Omega]

There's always a wild swing when the pendulum gets started. For two hundred years, no one worried about being polite to other peoples. Now, other peoples get to swing the bat for a while. They are going to swing hard.

Suck it up.

 

[jomar]

We've had a talk around the house recently. My son goes to an integrated school and jokes around pretty freely with his black friends (why did I think of Stephen Colbert when I said that?). He told a joke a black friend told him in a white crowd (our family ad a couple of his friends). Led to the discussion that you have to know your audience and that without proper context such jokes can build in a subtle racism, or at least lack of sensitivity.

For what it's worth, I think folks are waaay to touchy.

 

[3113]

This was posted in another forum I'm on.

"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and is rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

Tsk. Tsk. This is WAY out of date. It needs to be modified a bit. Allow me: "Patriotic Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and is rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to make a turd clean by painting a flag on it."

There, that works. And it's much more up to date. I'm sorry to see that you, Zeb and DP are so behind the times; I guess you haven't noticed, Patriotic Correctness has replaced Political Correctness over the last six years or so. It's only the right-wing media who does it's best to keep the Politically Correct boogieman alive, because if they didn't they might have to face the fact that the current boogie man is Patriotic Correctness--and the fact that, currently, the people screaming the loudness about fairness are usually evangelicals who want everyone to say "Merry Christmas" and creationism to be taught along side Evolution because anything else "just isn't fair!"

You might want to get a clue.

 

[cloudy]

Tsk. Tsk. This is WAY out of date. It needs to be modified a bit. Allow me: "Patriotic Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and is rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to make a turd clean by painting a flag on it."

There, that works. And it's much more up to date. I'm sorry to see that you, Zeb and DP are so behind the times; I guess you haven't noticed, Patriotic Correctness has replaced Political Correctness over the last six years or so. It's only the right-wing media who does it's best to keep the Politically Correct boogieman alive, because if they didn't they might have to face the fact that the current boogie man is Patriotic Correctness--and the fact that, currently, the people screaming the loudness about fairness are usually evangelicals who want everyone to say "Merry Christmas" and creationism to be taught along side Evolution because anything else "just isn't fair!"

You might want to get a clue.

Quite.

I also find it interesting that you rarely hear a person of color griping about political correctness.

 

[jomar]

Tsk. Tsk. This is WAY out of date. It needs to be modified a bit. Allow me: "Patriotic Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and is rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to make a turd clean by painting a flag on it."

Oil paint?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Quite.

I also find it interesting that you rarely hear a person of color griping about political correctness.

yeah, well-- they're the delusional, illogical minority.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Oil paint?

Poster paint, usually...

 

[3113]

I also find it interesting that you rarely hear a person of color griping about political correctness.

Or making up nonsense definitions like this one. I mean, I'm glad Zeb and DP are so pleased with it that they must share, but it makes them both look a little desperate and cowardly that the only way they can argue the problems of the political correctness movement is by defining themselves to victory. And that is all that this stupid bit of dogma is. A way to define oneself to victory. If it had any real merit or application to its subject, any facts that could reasonably be argued, I wouldn't have been able to apply it to something else so easily. Here, I'll do it again:

"Conservative economics is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and is rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

Piece of cake! If a person can use this definition to pretty much define any argument to victory, then what's it worth? Not much. And I have to ask: This is the best you could do? The most witty and clever thing you found on the internet to describe your disenchantment with something?

You really need to do better.

 

[Stella_Omega]

"The Winnable War is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and is rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Doctrines of any sort are fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,desparate for readership and profit, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Anyone who defines themselves via politics is suspect. Anyone who seeks political office is morally disqualified from doing so. Anyone who uses guilt to further their own ends is contemptable. My African American friends tend to more conservative than I am.

Now, can we close the frightfully silly thread and go to bed?

 

[Boxlicker101]

It might be easier to give an example of something which has been roundly criticized because it was NOT politically correct. I don't know her exact words, but Geraldine Ferraro said a while ago that Barack Obama would not be in his current position if he were not African American. Then she added that she would not have been nominated for VP by the Dems in 1984 if she hadn't been a woman. Those would be two non-PC things to say, but she could get away with the second because she is a woman.

However, she was roundly castigated by all and sundry for the first utterance, even though there is some truth in it. Consider: the man has been a senator for three years, but it was only slightly more than two when he announced his candidacy. I don't know of a single serious candidate who had such a paucity of experience on the national stage and still became a serious candidate for the nomination for the presidency by a major party. JFK, for instance, was a member of the House for six years and a senator for seven when he started running in 1960.

Obama is an outstanding speaker, and I don't want to say anythng negative about him. I'm just saying that Ferraro was right when she suggested he would not be a leading candidate if he weren't an African American.

 

[cloudy]

It might be easier to give an example of something which has been roundly criticized because it was NOT politically correct. I don't know her exact words, but Geraldine Ferraro said a while ago that Barack Obama would not be in his current position if he were not African American. Then she added that she would not have been nominated for VP by the Dems in 1984if she hadn't been woman. Those would be two non-PC things to say, but she could get away with the sond because she is a woman.

However, she was roundly castigated by all and sundry for the first utterance, even though there is some truth in it. Consider: the man has been a senator for three years, but it was only slightly more than two when he announced his candidacy. I don't know of a single serious candidate who had such a paucity of experience on the national stage and still became a serious candidate for the nomination for the presidency by a major party. JFK, for instance, was a member of the House for six years and a senator for seven when he started running in 1960.

Obama is an outstanding speaker, and I don't want to say anythng negative about him. I'm just sayi8ng that Ferraro was right when she suggested he would not be a leading candidate if he weren't an Africcan American.

I think you're wrong.

I don't think his race matters as much as people want to think it does. It means diddly-squat to me.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think Obama gives at least the illusion of a ghost of a chance of a relatively uncompromised leader-- if only because he hasn't had as many years in which to climb into various pockets.

 

[xssve]

Obama is an outstanding speaker, and I don't want to say anythng negative about him. I'm just saying that Ferraro was right when she suggested he would not be a leading candidate if he weren't an African American.

This is an untestable, unfalsifiable proposition, and therefore, bullshit. Ferraro had to know this was just shit stirring.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I don't get it. Look at the history of "Political Correctness" -

It started with "Racist" back in the sixties. Then it became "Diversity" in the late eighties. Now, another twenty years later it's "Political Correctness". Sorry, it's all the same smelly mess. So why does it keep changing?

In the beginning, Racism was the great moden sin. It became a term of self humiliation and divisive action. Then it became diversity and was put forth as a "social movement". But was it a movement or just another way of covering up reverse discrimination and blaming the caucasians? Now it's come around to be Political Correctness? What the hell does that even mean? Now you can't remark about anyone even though the remarks would be pointedly accurate.

Isn't that exactly what happened to Geraldine Furraro? Isn't that exactly what happened to Governor Ed Rendell? Racism and Diversity and Political Correctness are the tool of reverse discrimination. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

Furraro made her remarks. Al Sharpton, Obama and the rest immediatly stunk up the joint. Ed Rendell made his remarks. Same thing happened.

The right Reverand Jeremiah Wright made his OFFENSIVE remarks... DEAD SILENCE. Oh how odd. Three days later, Obama "distanced himself" from Wright's remarks. So why wasn't there the same furious outcry? Political Correctness.

I just don't buy that crap.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I think you're wrong.

I don't think his race matters as much as people want to think it does. It means diddly-squat to me.

It means nothing to me too, and I even voted for Obama in the CA primary. It means something to some people, though. The precincts that are mostly black are voting about 90% for Obama, which is a major reason why he has carried some southern states, such as Mississippi.

What I am saying is: A knowledgeable former member of Congress and VP candidate expresses an opinion, and she was castigated and fired from her unpaid position for saying something that is non-PC. This is not right.

 

[cloudy]

I don't get it. Look at the history of "Political Correctness" -

It started with "Racist" back in the sixties. Then it became "Diversity" in the late eighties. Now, another twenty years later it's "Political Correctness". Sorry, it's all the same smelly mess. So why does it keep changing?

In the beginning, Racism was the great moden sin. It became a term of self humiliation and divisive action. Then it became diversity and was put forth as a "social movement". But was it a movement or just another way of covering up reverse discrimination and blaming the caucasians? Now it's come around to be Political Correctness? What the hell does that even mean? Now you can't remark about anyone even though the remarks would be pointedly accurate.

Isn't that exactly what happened to Geraldine Furraro? Isn't that exactly what happened to Governor Ed Rendell? Racism and Diversity and Political Correctness are the tool of reverse discrimination. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

Furraro made her remarks. Al Sharpton, Obama and the rest immediatly stunk up the joint. Ed Rendell made his remarks. Same thing happened.

The right Reverand Jeremiah Wright made his OFFENSIVE remarks... DEAD SILENCE. Oh how odd. Three days later, Obama "distanced himself" from Wright's remarks. So why wasn't there the same furious outcry? Political Correctness.

I just don't buy that crap.

The pendulum is going to have to swing too far the other way before it comes into balance.

I can't say as I have any sympathy, really, for the white majority at having to watch what they say. People of color have had to do that for hundreds of years.

Hate it for y'all. *shrug*

 

[Recidiva]

I am offended. You said turd.

I await being appeased.

I need to speak to management. I want my posts comped.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The pendulum is going to have to swing too far the other way before it comes into balance.

I can't say as I have any sympathy, really, for the white majority at having to watch what they say. People of color have had to do that for hundreds of years.

Hate it for y'all. *shrug*

It's not only race, you know. It's also gender and sexual orientation and, to some degree, religion. Straight male WASPs have to walk on eggshells, while black, Jewish lesbians can say pretty much whatever they want.