Political: A Global Warming "Denier's" Confession

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A Denier's Confession

By Bret Stephens

The recent discovery by a retired businessman and climate kibitzer named Stephen McIntyre that 1934 -- and not 1998 or 2006 -- was the hottest year on record in the U.S. could not have been better timed. August is the month when temperatures are high and the news cycle is slow, leading, inevitably, to profound meditations on global warming. Newsweek performed its journalistic duty two weeks ago with an exposé on what it calls the global warming "denial machine." I hereby perform mine with a denier's confession.

I confess: I am prepared to acknowledge that Mr. McIntyre's discovery amounts to what a New York Times reporter calls a "statistically meaningless" rearrangement of data.

But just how "meaningless" would this have seemed had it yielded the opposite result? Had Mr. McIntyre found that a collation error understated recent temperatures by 0.15 degrees Celsius (instead of overstating it by that amount, as he discovered), would the news coverage have differed in tone and approach? When it was reported in January that 2006 was one of the hottest years on record, NASA's James Hansen used the occasion to warn grimly that "2007 is likely to be warmer than 2006." Yet now he says, in connection to the data revision, that "in general I think we want to avoid going into more and more detail about ranking of individual years."

I confess: I am prepared to acknowledge that the world has been and will be getting warmer thanks in some part to an increase in man-made atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases. I acknowledge this in the same way I'm confident that the equatorial radius of Saturn is about 60,000 kilometers: not because I've measured it myself, but out of a deep reserve of faith in the methods of the scientific community, above all its reputation for transparency and open-mindedness.

But that faith is tested when leading climate scientists won't share the data they use to estimate temperatures past and present and thus construct all-important trend lines. This was true of climatologist Michael Mann, who refused to disclose the algorithm behind his massively influential "hockey stick" graph, which purported to demonstrate a sharp uptick in global temperatures over the past century. (The accuracy of the graph was seriously discredited by Mr. McIntyre and his colleague Ross McKitrick.) This was true also of Phil Jones of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, who reportedly turned down one request for information with the remark, "Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?"

I confess: I understand that global warming may have negative consequences. Heat waves, droughts and coastal flooding may become more intense. Temperature-sensitive viruses such as malaria could become more widespread. Lakes may be depleted by evaporation. Animal life will suffer.

But as Bjorn Lomborg points out in his sharp, persuasive and aptly titled book "Cool It," a warming climate has advantages, too, and not just trivial ones. Though global warming will cause more heat deaths, it will also mean many fewer cold deaths. Drought may increase in some areas, but warming also means both more rain and longer growing seasons. Temperature changes will harm some wildlife in some places. But many species will benefit from a bit more warmth. Does anyone know for certain that the net human and environmental losses from global warming will exceed overall gains?

I confess: Denial never solves anything. But neither does sensational and deceptive journalism.

Newsweek illustrates this point by its choice of cover art -- a picture of the sun, where the surface temperature hovers around 6,000 degrees Celsius. Given that the consensus scientific estimate for average temperature increases over the next century is a comparatively modest 2.6 degrees, this would seem a rather Murdochian way of convincing readers about the gravity of the climate threat. On the inside pages is a photograph of a polar bear stranded on melting ice. But the caption that the bears are "at risk" belies clear evidence that the bear population has risen five-fold since the 1960s. Another series of photographs, of a huge Antarctic ice shelf that quickly disintegrated in 2002, suggests the imminence of doom. But why not also mention that temperatures at the South Pole have been going down for 50 years?

I confess: It's easy to be indifferent to far-off and diffuse threats. It's hard to work toward solutions the benefits of which will not be felt in our lifetime.

Then again, if Americans are not fully persuaded of the dangers of global warming, as Newsweek laments, don't chalk it up to the pernicious influence of the so-called deniers and their enablers at ExxonMobil and Fox News. Today, global warming is variously suggested as the root cause of terrorism, the conflict in Darfur and the rising incidence of suicides in Italy. Yet the 20th century offers excellent reasons to be suspicious of monocausal explanations for the world's ills, monomaniacs intent on saving us from ourselves, and the long train of experts predicting death by overpopulation, resource depletion, global cooling, nuclear winter and prions. Also, hypocrites. When we are called on to bike to work, permanently abjure air travel, "eat locally" and so on, we expect to be led by example, not by a new nomenklatura.

I confess: Though it may surprise those who use the term "denier" so as to put me on a moral plane with Holocaust deniers, I have children for whom I would not wish an environmental apocalypse.

Yet neither do I wish the civilizational bounties built up over two centuries by an industrial, inventive, adaptive, globalized and energy-hungry society to be squandered chasing comparatively small environmental benefits at gigantic economic costs. One needn't deny global warming as a problem to deny it as the only or greatest problem. The great virtue of Mr. Lomborg's book is its insistence on trying to measure the good done per dollar spent. Do we save a few lives, at huge cost, as a byproduct of curbing global warming? Or do we save many, for less, by acting on problems directly?

Some might argue it is immoral to think this way. Maybe they are the ones living in denial.
 
Damn! It's nice to know I'm not the only one who reads The Wall Street Journal around here. It's also nice to know that there are at least one or two doubters left (other than dopes like William Gray, Ph.D., Freeman Dyson, and Michael Crichton). Like it or not, theories of anthropogenic climate change remain precisely that- theories.
 
trysail said:
Damn! It's nice to know I'm not the only one who reads The Wall Street Journal around here. It's also nice to know that there are at least one or two doubters left (other than dopes like William Gray, Ph.D., Freeman Dyson, and Michael Crichton). Like it or not, theories of anthropogenic climate change remain precisely that- theories.

I thought something in a similar vein, but on the "selling" of global warming. I was annoyed at Gore's editorial An Inconvenient Truth because it was, well, clearly unbiased. I preferred Crighton's seemingly more balanced approach in his novel State of Fear. Not sure why you think he's a dope, though.
 
trysail said:
Damn! It's nice to know I'm not the only one who reads The Wall Street Journal around here. It's also nice to know that there are at least one or two doubters left (other than dopes like William Gray, Ph.D., Freeman Dyson, and Michael Crichton). Like it or not, theories of anthropogenic climate change remain precisely that- theories.
Yes, I also don't deny that I read the WSJ. Around here that's viewed as equivalent to being a fan of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and about as credible a source. In consequence I've (mostly) stopped dissing the NYT in similar terms, having been sensitized to the virtue of not condemning the messenger, and judging the value of each message on its merits individually.

Never fear, though -someone will be along momentarily to "warn" readers about the messenger, and advise them to dismiss the message on that basis.
 
Shouldn't this thread have a link to the Flat Earth Society?
 
Roxanne Appleby said:
Did you read the piece?

My take on the piece was that it was a very long-winded excuse to not worry about global warming. Is that accurate?
 
Roxanne Appleby said:
Did you read the piece?
Why read differing opinions when you already know everything? You forgot to add Fox news to your propaganda list. Unless you get your news from PBS or Keith Olberman, you obviously have been brainwashed. ;)
 
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DeeZire said:
My take on the piece was that it was a very long-winded excuse to not worry about global warming. Is that accurate?
If you are willing to ignore the serious questions raised by the items listed and many similar ones noted elsewhere, and to ignore the points raised by Bjorn Lomborg about how the net sum of human misery will be much greater if the mountains of scarce resources that global warming's proponents want to divert to it go there instead of to much more cost effective solutions to specific problems (see "Here's an extra $50 billion for good works: How will you spend it?"), and ignore the huge decrease in net human misery that would not happen due to the growth-inhibiting effects of Kyoto and similar proposals, and ignore the fact that entire phenomenon and its potential effects are highly speculative - then I suppose you can interpret it that way. I'd say there's a whole lotta ignorin' goin' on that case, but it's still a free country.
 
Roxanne Appleby said:
I'd say there's a whole lotta ignorin' goin' on that case, but it's still a free country.

That's why I mentioned the Flat Earth Society. Some (like me) ignore convoluted arguments originating from right wing think tanks, some ignore science. I think that's a key difference between progressives and conservatives - conservatives resist change, (especially if it would adversely affect their bottom line,) so they construct a reality to protect themselves from knowledge that threatens their beliefs (Fox News, anyone?) progressives try to embrace knowledge, willing to go wherever it leads them.

Back to the Flat Earth Society; if it wasn't for progressive thought, the world would still be flat, and America would still be pristine, so, come to think of it, perhaps progressive thought is not such a good idea after all.
 
Au contraire

God help me, I get my news from NPR and The Wall Street Journal-- and, no, I don't watch any network news (other than the Beeb). The fruitloops at NPR and the BBC have bought anthropogenic global warming "hook, line, and sinker" notwithstanding any evidence to the contrary. I have never heard any presentation of contrary opinion on NPR or the BBC (and, believe me, it ain't because it doesn't exist).

Home Page- NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies – Surface Temperature Analysis
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/

Punta Arenas, Chile
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=304859340004&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Alice Springs, Australia
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=501943260004&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Clyde, NWT, Canada
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=403710900006&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Christchurch, NZ
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=507937800000&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Kamenskoe, Siberia
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=222257440004&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Rome, Italy
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=623162390011&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

Paris, Le Bourget
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/g...py?id=615071500001&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1

For a pictorial refutation of rising sea levels see:
http://www.john-daly.com/

It shows a picture taken in 2004 of a mark made by Captain Sir James Clark Ross on Tasmania, that marked mean sea level in 1841. The photograph was taken at low tide on 20 January, 2004. The mark is 50 cm across; and the tidal range is less than a metre.

As you can readily see, there has been no significant change in sea level for the last 165 years.


 
DeeZire said:
Back to the Flat Earth Society; if it wasn't for progressive thought, the world would still be flat, and America would still be pristine, so, come to think of it, perhaps progressive thought is not such a good idea after all.
Ah, now there's the "precautionary principle" in full bloom. Isabella: "Sorry Chris, but since we can't precisely qauntify the risk, I think I'll hang onto my jewels for the time being."

BTW, I'm a libertarian or classical-liberal, not a "conservative."




To Des and DZ - it's fun and there's nothing wrong with "throwing a few elbows" here, but we're all flirting with the boundaries of civility. Let's play nice (which we're all smart enough to do without having to be mamby-pamby.) :rose:
 
trysail said:
I have never heard any presentation of contrary opinion on NPR

I hear contrary opinion on NPR all the time. That seems to be their format; present an issue and then have two opposing points of view discuss it.

Re: Libertarian/Classical Liberal (whatever that is) I appreciate the libertarian view, but it's so steeped in idealism as to be irrelevent to the real world we live in. Most of the regulations we deal with today were put there for a reason; to protect the common good of society from greedy business owners, who would still be employing children in their factories if it wasn't illegal. (Excuse me, they still are employing children in their factories - bad example.)

I just thought it would be fun to compare a current issue (global warming) with an issue from the past (flat earth) hoping to illustrate the fact that revolutionary new ideas take time to gain traction. (Nothing personal - just food for thought.)
 
DeeZire said:
I hear contrary opinion on NPR all the time. That seems to be their format; present an issue and then have two opposing points of view discuss it.

Re: Libertarian/Classical Liberal (whatever that is) I appreciate the libertarian view, but it's so steeped in idealism as to be irrelevent to the real world we live in. Most of the regulations we deal with today were put there for a reason; to protect the common good of society from greedy business owners, who would still be employing children in their factories if it wasn't illegal. (Excuse me, they still are employing children in their factories - bad example.)

I just thought it would be fun to compare a current issue (global warming) with an issue from the past (flat earth) hoping to illustrate the fact that revolutionary new ideas take time to gain traction. (Nothing personal - just food for thought.)
That's cool. All completely wrongheaded and the source of very bad public policy, but cool. ;) :rolleyes: :cool:
 
I have a new classification I'd like to put myself in: A Global Warming "I -Give-Upper"

I just quit. I've had it. Goodbye. I'll be on the poetry board or somethig.

--Zoot
 
incantations work!

Originally Posted by DeeZire
Back to the Flat Earth Society; if it wasn't for progressive thought, the world would still be flat, and America would still be pristine, so, come to think of it, perhaps progressive thought is not such a good idea after all.


Rox, Ah, now there's the "precautionary principle" in full bloom. Isabella: "Sorry Chris, but since we can't precisely qauntify the risk, I think I'll hang onto my jewels for the time being."

Nice incantation! Wins any argument where the opponent won't hurry in the direction you wish. They're too cautious.

Of course other opponents, the hardy socialist revolutionaries are too bold. Those violate the "you cant change human nature" principle, and the "there's no pie in the sky" principle.

Only your quasi Randist plans are just right. no need to look at facts.

----
Try this for a dialogue:

Challenenger executive to engineer: "O rings? how big a danger, in quantitative terms? Shit, no numbers. We'll launch; will proceed on schedule."
 
YOU WIN!!!!!! YOU WIN!!!!!! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!

We're not going to change! We're going to burn fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow! We're going to gamble everything on the hair-thin thread of a chance that global warming is a hoax cooked up by a sly cabal of "scientists" to make you feel bad about America! Fuck the future! Party on!

Happy now?

Holyjeesus god. The way you beat this horse, you'd think the oil industry was a struggling mom 'n pop enterprise with no voice in the halls of power. Christ!
 
shereads said:
YOU WIN!!!!!! YOU WIN!!!!!! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!

We're not going to change! We're going to burn fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow! We're going to gamble everything on the hair-thin thread of a chance that global warming is a hoax cooked up by a sly cabal of "scientists" to make you feel bad about America! Fuck the future! Party on!

Happy now?

Holyjeesus god. The way you beat this horse, you'd think the oil industry was a struggling mom 'n pop enterprise with no voice in the halls of power. Christ!
Excellent! Now we can move on - let's talk about capital gains tax cuts. :D :devil:
 
Roxanne Appleby said:
Excellent! Now we can move on - let's talk about capital gains tax cuts. :D :devil:

I'd rather discuss a plan to divide the Earth's fate into two halves: one for your side of this issue, and one reserved for the descendants of people who were willing to trust evidence that ran counter to our own desire for maximum comfort and convenience - even if we might be wrong; even if our shallow sacrifices might later be proven unnecessary to protect a future we won't live to see.

The trick will be confininig your effluence to your side of the future. We alarmists and tree huggers would love to bequeath to you the exclusive enjoyment of the future you would earn if all of your wishes for the present came true: your air, your water, your lost wilderness heritage, your over-grazed lands and over-fished oceans; your cheaply disposed toxic waste, your garbage barges in search of another place to dump tires; your misdirected funding for a war on terror, your credibility among the nations of the world; your working poor, and their angry offspring; your unsafe food supply, your unsafe factories, your ruinous national debt.

Maybe the Heritage Foundation can come up with something after their stable of for-profit scientists and scholarly ideologues have finished foisting Intellligent Design on American school chiildren.

Science is tricky, isn't it? All too frequently, two sides in a science-based political debate are able to pose contradictory arguments that are credibly science-like to the layperson, and even to scientists not trained in a particular discipline. When in doubt, I support the side whose proponents lack an obvious vested interest.
 
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shereads said:
When in doubt, I support the side whose proponents lack an obvious vested interest.
There's no obvious winner if you choose this method of deciding who is correct in the climate change debate. Climate change researchers have based their career on this issue, and the U.S. alone has a two billion dollar annual budget devoted to climate change. The budget was increased during the Bush administration. There is lots of grant money and peer pressure for this cause within the climate change research community. End the end, it's all ad hominem anyway. Even if Hitler says that 1 + 1 =2, it's still 2.

A better credibility criteria would be the group that is most open about making their data available for verification. Steve McIntyre has made all of his data and methods available, effectively painting a bull's eye for anyone to prove him wrong. That's very different than Phil Jones' "Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?" James Hansen won't make his data available either. He won't tell give enough data so that anyone can reproduce his results.
 
DrHappy said:
The budget was increased during the Bush administration.

That's because Bush is such a staunch supporter of Science!

Or...maybe it's because he's been desperately seeking to refute science on behalf of his friends in the oil bidniss.

How else do you explain why resigning NOAA scientists have complained of being ordered to delete or "tone down" written findings in support of global warming? Is it possible that you are really so naive, you think a spending increase proves there's no agenda?

Do you imagine that the financial stakes for the oil and mining industries, the automobile industry, the global shipping industry, their stockholders if they are publicly held, and their governments when they are under government control, is a less powerful incentive than the salaries of climate scientists? Who are you kidding?

Climate science: the path to wealth and a life of luxury! Because there are few things people are more willing to shell out big bucks for than being advised to downsize our lifestyles.

Of course, there is also the powerful Windmill Salesmen's Lobby. Scientists cross those guys at their peril.

Get real.

As to whose data is open to review, the data in support of global warming, gathered by hundreds of sources over decades of debate, would require your lifetime to read. Lucky for you, it's possible to be veeeery selective in what you bother to read and digest.


Don't bother to answer. Or, more accurately, don't bother to take another factoid or three out of context and present them in the form of an answer. Like Dr. Mabeuse, I've given up. I've accepted that my fate is bound to the fate of people like you. Your logic is the science equivalent of what Richard Clark called Bush's "faith-based intelligence." Just as I have to contend with the consequences of that disaster, I have to share your blithely trashed planet.
 
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Guess what, the global temperature for the last few millenia is considerably cooler than the average temperature going back millions of years. The time of the dinosaurs was considerably warmer than it is now.

Humans are also not responsible for the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. A billion years ago, there was even more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than there is now. The oil and coal that we are burning now used to be living matter, plants and animals that died long long ago. So way back then, all that carbon dioxide was in circulation.

Before life took over the land and sea, the atmosphere was terrible. Immense quantities of carbon dioxide, methane, etc. Nature found a way. So even if man does hit the reset button, and puts all the carbon dioxide back into circulation the world is better off than when it started.

Of course, it would suck for us humans, but it won't turn the world into some barren wasteland either.

Personally, I think the "real" solution is catastrophe. As the population grows, hostilities grow, diseases spread and mutate more quickly, food grows more scarce. One of these factors will cause, to borrow from Wall Street, a population correction. If there is a large enough correction then nature will reclaim farmland that is no longer needed, and restock the oceans. Perhaps someday human growth will reach an equilibrium point.
 
How to be more persuasive on environmental issues: a Green speaks

There are times when I despair of my own side. Typically I am watching Scotland play a sport when this happens. Today it's happening here...

Like most greens, I suspect, I want a nice clean planet, full of non-toxic air, water and soil. I'd like to see the people making the worst messes shouldering the heaviest financial burden for arranging that result. I don't think either of those views would be heretical in any meeting of environmentalists and, for what it's worth, I suspect they are held by a vastly greater number of people than have every given any monetary or voting support to green issues.

I think - and this is the bit where backs start to get put up - that we postpone meaningful progress on achieving any kind of green end every time we start talking about the enormous, life-extinguishing, "won't somebody PLEASE think of the children" event to come. The naive belief that if we keep repeating it, more people will "get it" and come on side is, in my view, one the larger barriers to advancing green issues from token efforts into mainstream politics.

Please note: I am saying nothing - NOTHING - about the future of the environment here. I'm talking exclusively about what works in constructive debate and what doesn't.

People who either aren't greens or suspect greens are becoming more and more inured to this kind of rhetoric, largely because they recognise it as the kind of self-affirming absolutism that characterises catastrophism's true believers. See this Richard Hofstader article...

http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/the_paranoid_style.html

... for an excellent primer on what to avoid when engaging the unbelievers.

If we want progress on green issues, we really, really, really need to accept that it's only going to come from within the existing political structure. No-one is going to storm any barriers for green issues, particularly not while being the slightly greener candidate is a vote-winner. That means gradualism, compromise and lots of work, none of which catastrophists have time for.

And, if we're going to try to work within the structure, that means coming up with ways that people can better align their own interests with ours, such as kicking off little carbon taxes and funding carbon trading, which might make some rich people a little richer and give heavy polluters some better incentives to become more efficient.

By all means shout about the importance of science, the need for personal responsibility and the social value of a healthy planet. But, if you could just try not to sound like the next paragraph in Hofstader's essay, things will get done faster.

Sincerely hoping that's of use,
H
 
Do you base any of opinions on science, or is it completely ad hominem attacks and insults?

shereads said:
Or...maybe it's because he's been desperately seeking to refute science on behalf of his friends in the oil bidniss.
Ad hominem attack

shereads said:
How else do you explain why resigning NOAA scientists have complained of being ordered to delete or "tone down" written findings in support of global warming?
Ad hominem attack

shereads said:
Is it possible that you are really so naive, you think a spending increase proves there's no agenda?
Insult

shereads said:
Do you imagine that the financial stakes for the oil and mining industries, the automobile industry, the global shipping industry, their stockholders if they are publicly held, and their governments when they are under government control, is a less powerful incentive than the salaries of climate scientists? Who are you kidding?
Ad hominem attack. When an evil person is correct, they are still correct.

shereads said:
Climate science: the path to wealth and a life of luxury!
You get to be on Larry King and quoted in the New York Times and Newsweek. It's a lot easier to get grants if you are on board. It's still Ad hominem attack. The physics doesn't care who is getting paid by whom and for what reason.
shereads said:
Because there are few things people are more willing to shell out big bucks for than being advised to downsize our lifestyles.

Of course, there is also the powerful Windmill Salesmen's Lobby. Scientists cross those guys at their peril.

Get real.
Shrill insults and irrelevant ad hominem attack.

shereads said:
As to whose data is open to review, the data in support of global warming, gathered by hundreds of sources over decades of debate, would require your lifetime to read. Lucky for you, it's possible to be veeeery selective in what you bother to read and digest.
By this logic, no one is qualified. I think that I have a pretty good grasp of the physics and statistical methods involved. I've been keeping up with this topic for several years, and was already familiar with latest scientific papers in key areas before the 2007 reports came out online. I try to keep with both sides of the scientific arguments. The authors of many of the key studies keep their methods and procedures hidden.

What specific scientific arguments have you convinced with such certainty?

shereads said:
Don't bother to answer.
I'll answer so that others can read, even if you won't acknowledge reading it.

shereads said:
Or, more accurately, don't bother to take another factoid or three out of context and present them in the form of an answer. Like Dr. Mabeuse, I've given up.
Insult

shereads said:
I've accepted that my fate is bound to the fate of people like you.
Good! We'll be okay!

shereads said:
Your logic is the science equivalent of what Richard Clark called Bush's "faith-based intelligence." Just as I have to contend with the consequences of that disaster, I have to share your blithely trashed planet.
Shrill insult.

I would say that people who resort to insults and ad hominem attack are usually the ones in which the facts are against them, but that would be an ad hominem attack.

Are there any specific details in any of Steve McIntyre's findings that you'd like to discuss? Do you understand how the tree ring data was calibrated to create the temperature reconstruction that looked like a hockey stick?

Just to be clear, I don't think that man made CO2 emissions are causing a climate catastrophe.

Would it help if I went to MIT and had a PhD in science? How about if my dissertation had something to do with infrared radiation?
 
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