Police brutality?
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Netzach
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The only shockers to me are that she's white and her husband fits the upstanding citizen model. I have a strong suspicion that the shittier of the two kinds of justice in this culture are being shown to more and more people. Why not, waterboarding is ok if you're not a national, so expect it soon near you along with rape with plunger.
people with LE background - Honestly there's no way to better preserve that person's dignity without endangering yourself? I'm having difficulty believing that. I have someone I'll ask about this tape who teaches self defense to LE, I'm actually wondering what his take on it is.
people with LE background - Honestly there's no way to better preserve that person's dignity without endangering yourself? I'm having difficulty believing that. I have someone I'll ask about this tape who teaches self defense to LE, I'm actually wondering what his take on it is.
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Well, they could've done it the way prisons do - pepper ball the shit out of her, or tazer her into acquiescience.
Dignity < Safety of the detainee and the deputies
NOTE: I'm not saying what they did was perfect, or within guidelines. No clue what their guidelines are. Just saying that a 120# white chick hopped up on drugs, or just plain freaked out, is plenty dangerous to herself and others. They have a FAR greater duty to her safety (and theirs) than they do to her dignity.
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What if her screaming is due to her not being deranged but having 5 or 7 people with guns you don't know taking your clothing off you?
I can't imagine that everyone would face that down with equanimity. Abner Louima would be at the back of my mind, white girl that I am.
I can't imagine that everyone would face that down with equanimity. Abner Louima would be at the back of my mind, white girl that I am.
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Equanimity is not necessary. Just cooperation. But, honestly, I can't bring myself to care why she was screaming like that. It wasn't pain. It was emotional issues. It doesn't really matter to me what caused them. Her state of mind was plainly questionable at the time the video was taken. right at this moment, we are looking at a video and hearing voice-overs telling her side. We aren't seeing disposition, reports, any other video, etc. We are seeing one piece of this puzzle.
Many people see a woman getting brutalised. I see an emotinally disturbed (if only temporarily) detainee that has been brought in off a domestic call, who is not cooperating as told, and presenting a possible threat to herself and others.
Frankly, the only reasons this video is getting airplay are because 1) She's white, 2) She's screaming her fool head off, 3) She's getting stripped. Personally, this is nothing on pepper ball videos, or watching someone do the taser boogie because they would not comply.
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Okay, I watched the video.
I also listened to the ONE side being presented.
#1 - Based on the video (which has been edited, mind you, to present one, and only one side, of events) I saw one, and only one, circumstance that almost certainly was a violation of policy. Male jailers laying hands on a female detainee being strip searched. Most department rules _RECOMMEND_ same sex searches in normal circumstances but do not forbid m-t-f or f-t-m searches when there is no alternative. If a detainee must be strip searched, it is recommended that only same sex officers be present but opposite sex jailers may be present as back up should a subject become combative or resistant. With combative/resistive subjects it's usually "fuck the regs, dogpile on the rabbit" until they stop resisting.
I saw a couple of other POSSIBLE violations depending on the exact rules and regulations of that specific department. Since I never worked with or in close conjunction with that department I am not going to speculate beyond saying that in my experience, strip searches are not conducted for disorderly conduct arrests or bogus ID arrests unless:
A - The subject appears to be a danger to themselves or others
B - Threatens to harm themselves or others
#2 - Again, based on the edited video, the search itself was methodical, and professional. We didn't see any of the jailers strike or grope the detainee. They weren't joking or cutting up, they were not having fun. Hello people, look at the faces of the jailers. They were deadly serious about what they were doing, as if their lives depended on it. Unfortunately, in a jail, their lives DO depend on the thoroughness of the searches they do. The officers spoke to her calmly, tried to get her to calm down and stop resisting.
#3 - And pay attention to this one folks - That video was probably made to cover the departments ass. The video was made to show that the jailers doing the strip search were, in fact, doing so professionally and within the scope of departmental policy. Woman's screaming her head off. Whoop-tee-fucking-do. People scream all the time when they get told "No" and "calm down" or "You're under arrest..."
ALL of you need to stop jumping to conclusions here. You aren't getting half the story. You aren't even getting a third. You are getting one, and only one, presentation. Please notice that the neither "victim", nor her husband, released this video until their lawsuit was filed. The release of this video is nothing more than propaganda intended to inflame the local community in order to FORCE THE SHERRIFF, COUNTY AND JAIL INTO A LAWSUIT SETTLEMENT.
Plain and simple.
I wasn't there and I will not say with 100% certainty that the strip search was necessary. I will not say that it was made within the guidelines of that department's policies. I will not try to defend the conduct of the jailers _IF_ they violated their departments policy.
Nor will I say "poor victim" either. But I will say this.
7 to 9 jailers tied up on a strip search of _1_ subject? Leaving a lot of unsupervised, unwatched jail area... There was a supervisor aware of what was going on, if not participating. It didn't happen randomly. I don't know the circumstances of the situation. I don't know what she did to provoke such a reaction from the jailers. But I do know that they for dammned sure didn't just say "OH! Our 100th arrest this weekend, she's the lucky winner of a strip search!"
Stop knee jerking at the video and start thinking about why those jailers would feel it necessary to divert that much manpower to subduing that 1 woman.
Nuff said.
I also listened to the ONE side being presented.
#1 - Based on the video (which has been edited, mind you, to present one, and only one side, of events) I saw one, and only one, circumstance that almost certainly was a violation of policy. Male jailers laying hands on a female detainee being strip searched. Most department rules _RECOMMEND_ same sex searches in normal circumstances but do not forbid m-t-f or f-t-m searches when there is no alternative. If a detainee must be strip searched, it is recommended that only same sex officers be present but opposite sex jailers may be present as back up should a subject become combative or resistant. With combative/resistive subjects it's usually "fuck the regs, dogpile on the rabbit" until they stop resisting.
I saw a couple of other POSSIBLE violations depending on the exact rules and regulations of that specific department. Since I never worked with or in close conjunction with that department I am not going to speculate beyond saying that in my experience, strip searches are not conducted for disorderly conduct arrests or bogus ID arrests unless:
A - The subject appears to be a danger to themselves or others
B - Threatens to harm themselves or others
#2 - Again, based on the edited video, the search itself was methodical, and professional. We didn't see any of the jailers strike or grope the detainee. They weren't joking or cutting up, they were not having fun. Hello people, look at the faces of the jailers. They were deadly serious about what they were doing, as if their lives depended on it. Unfortunately, in a jail, their lives DO depend on the thoroughness of the searches they do. The officers spoke to her calmly, tried to get her to calm down and stop resisting.
#3 - And pay attention to this one folks - That video was probably made to cover the departments ass. The video was made to show that the jailers doing the strip search were, in fact, doing so professionally and within the scope of departmental policy. Woman's screaming her head off. Whoop-tee-fucking-do. People scream all the time when they get told "No" and "calm down" or "You're under arrest..."
ALL of you need to stop jumping to conclusions here. You aren't getting half the story. You aren't even getting a third. You are getting one, and only one, presentation. Please notice that the neither "victim", nor her husband, released this video until their lawsuit was filed. The release of this video is nothing more than propaganda intended to inflame the local community in order to FORCE THE SHERRIFF, COUNTY AND JAIL INTO A LAWSUIT SETTLEMENT.
Plain and simple.
I wasn't there and I will not say with 100% certainty that the strip search was necessary. I will not say that it was made within the guidelines of that department's policies. I will not try to defend the conduct of the jailers _IF_ they violated their departments policy.
Nor will I say "poor victim" either. But I will say this.
7 to 9 jailers tied up on a strip search of _1_ subject? Leaving a lot of unsupervised, unwatched jail area... There was a supervisor aware of what was going on, if not participating. It didn't happen randomly. I don't know the circumstances of the situation. I don't know what she did to provoke such a reaction from the jailers. But I do know that they for dammned sure didn't just say "OH! Our 100th arrest this weekend, she's the lucky winner of a strip search!"
Stop knee jerking at the video and start thinking about why those jailers would feel it necessary to divert that much manpower to subduing that 1 woman.
Nuff said.
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Although I am not the OP of this thread, I just wanted to take the time to thank you for your comments Geoff . I found them very interesting & inadvertently complimentary by a large degree, my held beliefs on quite specific parts of this topic 
Netzach
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My contact's reaction was "someone's gonna make a LOT of money"
This is not someone who's going to be swayed by screaming and upset, but someone who teaches emergency personnel how to handle screaming flailing people without being injured.
Not so much horrified at the footage, but at the mistakes made. Because he didn't feel that anything in the image suggested that you would need that many people. There's nothing that many people could do that one person and one tazer could not, in which case people would still be upset, but for different reasons, it would be much cleaner to have her being handled by one or two people.
Not to mention the lack of phone call, lawyer, and the fact that she placed the call in the first place.
Pretty much a textbook, don't let this happen to your dept. moment in his estimation.
This is not someone who's going to be swayed by screaming and upset, but someone who teaches emergency personnel how to handle screaming flailing people without being injured.
Not so much horrified at the footage, but at the mistakes made. Because he didn't feel that anything in the image suggested that you would need that many people. There's nothing that many people could do that one person and one tazer could not, in which case people would still be upset, but for different reasons, it would be much cleaner to have her being handled by one or two people.
Not to mention the lack of phone call, lawyer, and the fact that she placed the call in the first place.
Pretty much a textbook, don't let this happen to your dept. moment in his estimation.
