Poetry Slam at the Green Mill

dr_mabeuse

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The Green Mill's the oldest bar in continuous operation the city of Chicago. Been going without cease since the 20's, since before prohibition, on the corner of Broadway and Lawrence, it was owned by Capone (his booth is still there, as well as the secret passage that leads down under Broadway in case of police raids). It still has the green velvet banquets, the wood panelling and cherrywood bar, faux Grecian nudes now yellowed with age, garish red and green lights, back room with bandstand for dancing and big bands, juke box with Monk and Charlie Barnett on 45's.

On Sunday night they open the mike to poets - the famous Green Mill Poetry Slams - and I've been remiss. I haven't gone until now. I've just been waking up to the oral poetry scene here and this has been going on for years. Recently I was alerted to an event in which poets and writers were reading sexual passage from their works but I couldn't go because I was doing some other dumb thing. I went to the slam at the Mill though and was disappointed to hear not one Erotic poet. Nothing about love or sex or anything sensual or magical. It was all political or stand-up comedy in free verse.

I've been having delusions of grandeur lately. We all know by now that half of all the fiction sold in the USA is romance and that the fastest - explosively fastest - growing segment of the romance market is romantica - sexually explicit romance. No one has to point out the absolute saturation of sex in this culture, and yet the cultural tools and mechanisms, the vocabulary and mythic structure for dealing with these things is nonexistent. Bombarded with these images of sex and sexuality, all we can do is masturbate. We're helpless to do anything else with them. We lack the mythic tools and erotic technology, the language, a way of thinking about them or dealing with them - the kinds of things our writers and poets should be providing us with.

As the world spins more and more out of control politically and technologically, we seem to keep throwing off these bizarre and distorted erotic images at an increasing rate, as if trying to compensate for our own insanity, like monkeys masturbating in a zoo, and yet there's no one there to tell us what they mean or what we're doing. At the Green Mill, I heard poet after poet go up there and talk about the war in Iraq and Corporate Culture and the despoiling of the earth and God knows it has to be said, but looking around at the people there, I couldn't help but notice how hungry they were to hear about their lover's bodies out floating over the Lake, or the touch of skin on skin in bed at night, or the truths from which all other truths flow, which are tactile, perceptual, sensual, and emotional, and I think the next time I have a chance to go back there and talk about fucking, I'm going to go. The world needs us.
 
Good for you, zoot.

It would be a lot better if our taboos were about violence and greed rather than sex.

I think.
 
I'm so going to Chicago next year, so I can hear Zoot speak....and other things. ;)
 
cloudy said:
I'm so going to Chicago next year, so I can hear Zoot speak....and other things. ;)

:D

Now I've got two excellent reasons to go. In addition to the myriad good ones.
 
cloudy said:
I'm so going to Chicago next year, so I can hear Zoot speak....and other things. ;)

Yay!!!

On my calendar already, baby. Third week of March, 2008.

We'll do it up right again - Chicago Lit-Together II.

(I may avoid the rum this time - we'll see. :D )
 
Chicago, Chicago!

I was involved with a yearly art show at the Flatiron Building in Wicker Park, that was supposed to be erotica. It was tough to keep it on track-- so much of what was submitted was political or comedy, and not about sex at all.
 
Stella_Omega said:
Chicago, Chicago!

I was involved with a yearly art show at the Flatiron Building in Wicker Park, that was supposed to be erotica. It was tough to keep it on track-- so much of what was submitted was political or comedy, and not about sex at all.

Is it because erotica is outside the comfort zone for a lot of people? I mean, to be involved with it in a more public way.
 
tickledkitty said:
Is it because erotica is outside the comfort zone for a lot of people? I mean, to be involved with it in a more public way.
Possibly so... As Rob points out, we have no taboos agains violence and greed...

The work that was coming in often had phallic imagery in it, to make political points. I wanted to put in a rule that said that the subject had to be erotic.

And as always, there was a difference in perception between the men and women; One year there were some very nice pen-and-ink nudes-- I thought they were erotic in an understated way, but one of the men complained that they were just nudes with pussy...
 
Stella_Omega said:
Chicago, Chicago!

I was involved with a yearly art show at the Flatiron Building in Wicker Park, that was supposed to be erotica. It was tough to keep it on track-- so much of what was submitted was political or comedy, and not about sex at all.

Sex and comedy each have an important role in the War on Tedium. I'd like to see them together more often.
 
tickledkitty said:
Is it because erotica is outside the comfort zone for a lot of people? I mean, to be involved with it in a more public way.

America has such a love-hate relationship with sex and all things sexual, it's practically schizophrenic. Television can show us scenes of torture and bedlam and no one gives it a second thought, but let the same program feature a scene of frontal nudity and half of us would call our Congressmen to complain as soon as we recovered from the dead faint.

In a culture that holds Congressional hearings on the topic of Janet Jackson's not-quite-naked nipple, how much courage must it take for a gallery to display explicitly erotic art?

Literature seems to be ahead of the visual arts in this one area - maybe because the pages of a book are hidden from public view, we can indulge our secret selves without fear of discovery. Displaying erotic art in your home or, heaven forfend, in the lobby of your corporate headquarters, is a different matter. It labels the owner as someone who is defying the old taboos.

To Zoot's point, there does seem to be a growing hunger for sexual themes and images that invite exploration and encourage acceptance of our darker fantasies.

E-book sites like Ellora's Cave have thrived, in part, because women were embarrassed to shop for sexually explicit fiction - what little of it there was. Erotica for women sneaked into mainstream publishing beneath the covers of bodice-ripper novels. Fabio's flowing mullet on the cover of a paperback novel was a visual short-hand for "this book contains fucking.' If Fabio was wearing a pirate shirt, it meant, "Bondage! That's good, because when they fuck it's not the heroine's fault."

Most of what I knew, or thought I knew, about sex before I went away to college and discovered the Penthouse Letters, I learned from devouring bodice-ripper novels.

"What's that about?" "Oh, nothing. Just some silly pirate book." Unspoken: "It's a chick version of those 'detective' books Dad hides behind his National Geographics."

A decade or so ago, former loyalists who had abandoned the romance genre heard it rumored that Robin Schone and one or two other romance novelists had sneaked something new and shocking onto the shelves of Barnes & Noble: butt sex!!

"Yowsa," we exclaimed. "What's that about?" We went shopping again, and discovered that taboos were being torn away like bodices. Today, when my mom asks me to find her a nice romance novel, I'm hard pressed to find one that wouldn't send her pacemaker into overdrive.

Change is good.
 
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Stella_Omega said:
Chicago, Chicago!

I was involved with a yearly art show at the Flatiron Building in Wicker Park, that was supposed to be erotica. It was tough to keep it on track-- so much of what was submitted was political or comedy, and not about sex at all.

I know, I know! This entire culture has gone so anti-erotic all across the board, left, right, and center! And we're not talking shock value here, no throbbing cocks or dripping clits, just the eroticism of human love, sensuality, snow on the river, the warmth of touch, the human voice, the things that keep us alive and breathing. No one talks about it, no one celebrates it, no one even mentions it!

You know, it used to be that erotic referred to the body's sensual connection to nature. The mind connected intellectually and spiritually and the body connected erotically, and now that connection is all but dead as far as religion and philosophy goes. No one talks about that any more. A few groups of poets and writers I know of are starting to try and bring it back or at least provide people with the concept necessary to view the world that way. Apparently it's up to us. It's a writer's job, explaining the world to people.

There are some groups of women writers in Chicago who've been staging readings of erotic works, but they've been kind of haphazard so far. But the idea of having open mike poetry readings and not having any love poetry... That's just so bizarre! What does that say about us?
 
dr_mabeuse said:
I know, I know! This entire culture has gone so anti-erotic all across the board, left, right, and center! And we're not talking shock value here, no throbbing cocks or dripping clits, just the eroticism of human love, sensuality, snow on the river, the warmth of touch, the human voice, the things that keep us alive and breathing. No one talks about it, no one celebrates it, no one even mentions it!

You know, it used to be that erotic referred to the body's sensual connection to nature. The mind connected intellectually and spiritually and the body connected erotically, and now that connection is all but dead as far as religion and philosophy goes. No one talks about that any more. A few groups of poets and writers I know of are starting to try and bring it back or at least provide people with the concept necessary to view the world that way. Apparently it's up to us. It's a writer's job, explaining the world to people.

There are some groups of women writers in Chicago who've been staging readings of erotic works, but they've been kind of haphazard so far. But the idea of having open mike poetry readings and not having any love poetry... That's just so bizarre! What does that say about us?
It says that it's damn difficult to speak the words of love and lust aloud in front of strangers. Not to mention emotional vulnerability, and, yes, this is because of our culture. Virgil and Sappho had no problem declaiming aloud, nor did John Wilmot or Arphra Bey...
 
shereads said:
America has such a love-hate relationship with sex and all things sexual, it's practically schizophrenic. Television can show us scenes of torture and bedlam and no one gives it a second thought, but let the same program feature a scene of frontal nudity and half of us would call our Congressmen to complain as soon as we recovered from the dead faint.

[...cuts...]

"Yowsa," we exclaimed. "What's that about?" We went shopping again, and discovered that taboos were being torn away like bodices. Today, when my mom asks me to find her a nice romance novel, I'm hard pressed to find one that wouldn't send her pacemaker into overdrive.

Change is good.

I want more than just permissiveness and openness. I want an entire revolution in world-view and philosophy, a new renaissance, a Neo-humanism built on an erotic relationship between humanity and the world we live in. Naked statues! Asses over the Lake! The works!

It's a Revolution! Get Stella off her bucket and let's Go. Let's stop at that bar Al Capone used to drink at and then we're off!
 
Stella_Omega said:
It says that it's damn difficult to speak the words of love and lust aloud in front of strangers. Not to mention emotional vulnerability, and, yes, this is because of our culture. Virgil and Sappho had no problem declaiming aloud, nor did John Wilmot or Arphra Bey...

That's for sure. I think it's even difficult for many to speak those words in private to those they love. The number of writers on this site who share their work with no RL people amazes me. I've heard the story again and again of folks who attempt to share their love of erotica with a spouse, only to be completely shut down and, in some cases, put through hell until they promise to give it up or at least pretend to. Others, like myself, don't even make the attempt at sharing, because we know the outcome would not be favorable.

What does all this say about us? I could write stories of torture, murder, all kinds of violence, and would probably feel comfortable sharing them with my husband. He'd probably be proud. Pat himself on the back yet again for choosing himself such a clever wife. But sex stories? No way. He'd most likely snicker and joke and make them something dirty, because that's what sex is for him. A big dirty joke--something not to be discussed except in a lewd manner. I'm sure there are many who share that attitude. So sad.

So, if most of us have trouble sharing in private, how can we be comfortable with sharing in public?
 
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tickledkitty said:
That's for sure. I think it's even difficult for many to speak those words in private to those they love. The number of writers on this site who share their work with no RL people amazes me. I've heard the story again and again of folks who attempt to share their love of erotica with a spouse, only to be completely shut down and, in some cases, put through hell until they promise to give it up or at least pretend to. Others, like myself, don't even make the attempt at sharing, because we know the outcome would not be favorable.

What does all this say about us? I could write stories of torture, murder, all kinds of violence, and would probably feel comfortable sharing them with my husband. He'd probably be proud. Pat himself on the back yet again for choosing himself such a clever wife. But sex stories? No way. He'd most likely snicker and joke and make them something dirty, because that's what sex is for him. I big dirty joke--something not to be discussed except in a lewd manner. I'm sure there are many who share that attitude. So sad.

So, if most of us have trouble sharing in private, how can we be comfortable with sharing in public?

Good points, TK.

Before we got together in Chicago this past March, impressive had been working on an erotic reading session for us at one of the area bookstores.

It almost happened. They decided against us, as none of our literature was part of their stock, I believe.

But for awhile, I was nervously anticipating reading my "Ode to Anal Sex" poem - LOL - aloud to a group of strangers.

It terrified me.

But I was not going to miss the opportunity.

:)
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
Good points, TK.

Before we got together in Chicago this past March, impressive had been working on an erotic reading session for us at one of the area bookstores.

It almost happened. They decided against us, as none of our literature was part of their stock, I believe.

But for awhile, I was nervously anticipating reading my "Ode to Anal Sex" poem - LOL - aloud to a group of strangers.

It terrified me.

But I was not going to miss the opportunity.

:)

That sounds like such a rush. Terrifying and exhilarating at the same time.
 
tickledkitty said:
That sounds like such a rush. Terrifying and exhilarating at the same time.

Imp has had some experience with other readings and we talked about it during the get together.

It sounded like an amazing adventure.
 
*cue applause*

....and I think the next time I have a chance to go back there and talk about fucking, I'm going to go. The world needs us.

Good for you, please be sure to come let us know how it goes...what you read and the reactions during and afterwards...



:cool:
 
dr_mabeuse said:
The Green Mill's the oldest bar in continuous operation the city of Chicago. Been going without cease since the 20's, since before prohibition, on the corner of Broadway and Lawrence, it was owned by Capone (his booth is still there, as well as the secret passage that leads down under Broadway in case of police raids). It still has the green velvet banquets, the wood panelling and cherrywood bar, faux Grecian nudes now yellowed with age, garish red and green lights, back room with bandstand for dancing and big bands, juke box with Monk and Charlie Barnett on 45's.

On Sunday night they open the mike to poets - the famous Green Mill Poetry Slams - and I've been remiss. I haven't gone until now. I've just been waking up to the oral poetry scene here and this has been going on for years. Recently I was alerted to an event in which poets and writers were reading sexual passage from their works but I couldn't go because I was doing some other dumb thing. I went to the slam at the Mill though and was disappointed to hear not one Erotic poet. Nothing about love or sex or anything sensual or magical. It was all political or stand-up comedy in free verse.

I've been having delusions of grandeur lately. We all know by now that half of all the fiction sold in the USA is romance and that the fastest - explosively fastest - growing segment of the romance market is romantica - sexually explicit romance. No one has to point out the absolute saturation of sex in this culture, and yet the cultural tools and mechanisms, the vocabulary and mythic structure for dealing with these things is nonexistent. Bombarded with these images of sex and sexuality, all we can do is masturbate. We're helpless to do anything else with them. We lack the mythic tools and erotic technology, the language, a way of thinking about them or dealing with them - the kinds of things our writers and poets should be providing us with.

As the world spins more and more out of control politically and technologically, we seem to keep throwing off these bizarre and distorted erotic images at an increasing rate, as if trying to compensate for our own insanity, like monkeys masturbating in a zoo, and yet there's no one there to tell us what they mean or what we're doing. At the Green Mill, I heard poet after poet go up there and talk about the war in Iraq and Corporate Culture and the despoiling of the earth and God knows it has to be said, but looking around at the people there, I couldn't help but notice how hungry they were to hear about their lover's bodies out floating over the Lake, or the touch of skin on skin in bed at night, or the truths from which all other truths flow, which are tactile, perceptual, sensual, and emotional, and I think the next time I have a chance to go back there and talk about fucking, I'm going to go. The world needs us.

What a fantastic observation, Doc. Do you have a poem to share that you'd like to take to the Green Mill? :) :heart:

I will link my only audio poem in my sig line to get you started.
 
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sweetsubsarahh said:
Yay!!!
On my calendar already, baby. Third week of March, 2008.
We'll do it up right again - Chicago Lit-Together II.
(I may avoid the rum this time - we'll see. :D )


Gonna need to mark my calendar as well, esp since the wife has already got some weekend in March pegged for going to Epicon.


:cool:
 
Remec said:
Gonna need to mark my calendar as well, esp since the wife has already got some weekend in March pegged for going to Epicon.


:cool:

:)

We must include the Green Mill in our adventures.
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
:)

We must include the Green Mill in our adventures.

Would that be the weekend of the 21st?

*is thinking of trying to make it to this one*
 
CeriseNoire said:
Would that be the weekend of the 21st?

*is thinking of trying to make it to this one*

I believe so - I need to make certain the dates for my school's Spring break in 2008 but I think that's the week.

And I'm already looking forward to another get-together!

;)
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
I believe so - I need to make certain the dates for my school's Spring break in 2008 but I think that's the week.

And I'm already looking forward to another get-together!

;)

Oh, it would be nice. My district has a random day off on the 21st.

Although if it's the weekend after I might still be able to make it. It's one of our inservice days, so I'd be done early enough to catch a mid-day flight.

Would be nice to meet some of the people who can't make it down to Orlando.
 
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