Plus ca change…

[rgraham666]

The more they stay the same.

 

[cloudy]

The results aren't really all that surprising, Rob. Human nature is human nature, and if it changes at all, it's very, very slowly...as in more than forty-five years.

 

[rgraham666]

I know. But it still makes me sad.

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

The problem is that the people who need to know this information and learn from it, like police officers and some military personnel, are never exposed to it and many of them, even when they are exposed to it, don't give a damn. You're right. It is sad.

 

[DeeZire]

My second ex-wife would have loved this experiment. She would have been insisting on increasing the voltage from the beginning.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Gee, does anyone think that there might just be something to this doctrine of Original Sin, after all? People still believe in human perfectability? After watching the entire 20th Century. Yeah, people can be extraordinarily nasty, even people thought to be nice, quiet and decent. Be on guard, be constantly on guard.

 

[rgraham666]

I dislike the concept of original sin immensely. On one hand it's used frequently as a weapon, the whole 'sinners must be punished thing. On the other it's a good excuse to avoid responsibility, "Hey. They're sinners. I have to punish them."

Also it can be used to avoid responsibility in another way. "I'm a sinner and can't help but act the way I do."

I prefer to think that very few people bother to indulge in the deep introspection required to be a fully formed human being. Which isn't surprising as most people are lazy and dislike responsibility. Plus most societies prefer people to be malleable and complacent.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I usually operate on the principle that inhibitions are there for a purpose. If we don't control ourselves, we risk being controlled!

 

[rgraham666]

Mine is there's enough pain and suffering in the universe without me adding to it.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Mine is there's enough pain and suffering in the universe without me adding to it.

Oh heck, yes! The gentler we are with each other the better off we will all be. And that's not meant as any criticism of nipple clips, either!

 

[rgraham666]

I said 'pain and suffering'.

When I use the clips they're not suffering.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I said 'pain and suffering'.

When I use the clips they're not suffering.

That's the way I understood it, too.

Stella finally managed to show me the difference between a Dom and a top. Ah, the light dawns.

 

[wafflemtl]

That's the way I understood it, too.

Stella finally managed to show me the difference between a Dom and a top. Ah, the light dawns.

Care to share ?
Please ?

 

[NoJo]

What always shocked me is that these were Americans. America generally encourages a healthy disprespect for authority. I think were the experiment done in the UK the results would have been far worse. To say nothing of Japan.

Shudders.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

What always shocked me is that these were Americans. America generally encourages a healthy disprespect for authority. I think were the experiment done in the UK the results would have been far worse. To say nothing of Japan.

Shudders.

I believe that they were also college students, that is to say young Americans who still may have been coming out of the "good boy" stage before hitting manhood. I don't know that some more years would have made a difference, but it might.

 

[oggbashan]

Anyone who has studied the rise of the Nazis in pre-war Germany shouldn't have been surprised by this.

Not all Nazis were bad Germans. Many felt that they were helping their country and their neighbours.

It takes real courage to stand up to peer pressure and say "No.".

Og

 

[oggbashan]

What always shocked me is that these were Americans. America generally encourages a healthy disprespect for authority. I think were the experiment done in the UK the results would have been far worse. To say nothing of Japan.

Shudders.

I think you are wrong about the differences between the US and UK. In the UK individualism and eccentricity are more valued than is generally thought. Our youngsters are much more likely to tell a policeman to "fuck off" than their US contemporaries are - because they can get away with it.

Og

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

I believe that they were also college students, that is to say young Americans who still may have been coming out of the "good boy" stage before hitting manhood. I don't know that some more years would have made a difference, but it might.

Actually, the participants in the study were mostly of older age groups, not youngsters. See video extract link: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/1036880/

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Actually, the participants in the study were mostly of older age groups, not youngsters. See video extract link: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/1036880/

I hadn't seen that footage. I do remember seeing some footage of it back in the 70's where the subjects were college students. So it obviously implies that all are vulnerable. Be on guard, be very much on guard.