Selena_Kitt
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Pure said:
*nodding*
Please Read This!
- Thread starter L.A. Wicker
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*nodding*
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That is pretty much echoing the thoughts I had when I first read the thread.arienette said:
Also - I would really not concern myself with the people condoning him on the site, if I was him. I would be concerned about the people I interact with on a daily basis finding out and judging me for it. The longer the discussion on the newspaper site is kept alive, the more likely this will happen. The more arguing goes on there and the more of us post, the more likely someone who opposed LAW will be compelled to action against him. The argument on the site helps nobody - haven't enough controversial lit threads set an example? Those people are not going to be convinced. All they will be is pissed off, and then they are more likely to take action against LAW outside of the newspaper forum.
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bump
last chance to check "Alana" (by LAW) folks. i think it will not pass the lit guidelines.
http://english.literotica.com/stori...ry.php?id=28995
{ADDED: see the link in Gargouille's posting #25, below, via the author's story list, accessible the 'search'}
LA seems to think that if there's no penetration it ain't underage sex.
His heroes, the ones with the 10 inch cocks, 5 inches in circumference (6 in at the head), generally wait till [both the hero and] mom or sis is 18 to go for vaginal penetration.
last chance to check "Alana" (by LAW) folks. i think it will not pass the lit guidelines.
http://english.literotica.com/stori...ry.php?id=28995
{ADDED: see the link in Gargouille's posting #25, below, via the author's story list, accessible the 'search'}
LA seems to think that if there's no penetration it ain't underage sex.
His heroes, the ones with the 10 inch cocks, 5 inches in circumference (6 in at the head), generally wait till [both the hero and] mom or sis is 18 to go for vaginal penetration.
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Pure said:
Nope, already gone. Said the page did not exist.
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Nope, still there. The link may be broken, but if you use the story search, and search with his name you can still access it off his story page.
http://english.literotica.com:81/st...author=L.A.+Wicker+&Submit=Search+The+Stories
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You should consider suing those who've called you a child mollester for libel. They can find out who's posting these things from the IP address.
It's quite disgusting that they have posted these things without using there own real names. I'd like to go to there houses and see what's on there hard drives and under there mattresses. I'd rather be a sick freak than a sick hypocrite!
Best of luck, and I sure hope that someone helps you with your floors.
It's quite disgusting that they have posted these things without using there own real names. I'd like to go to there houses and see what's on there hard drives and under there mattresses. I'd rather be a sick freak than a sick hypocrite!
Best of luck, and I sure hope that someone helps you with your floors.
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Anyone with half a brain? Colleen used her real name, most of us agree that she was a very intellegent woman. Several intellegent people here use there real name, or some form of it. Perhaps it would be better to say, "anyone with half a brain will realize and accept the risks involved in using there real name"
I would love to hear some oppinions of litizens who use there real name or some form, but they are probably staying clear of this thread.
The sad thing is, that what you write and what you do is not all that will be used against you, but poeple with more filth in there mind than you will smear you with false accusations above and beyond your own actions. If poeple don't want to help him or think he's a pervert because he writes incest stories, that is bad enough but they don't seem to think so because they are making up accusations above and beyond the truth, so they must not think that simply writing stories is that bad. Otherwise, why are they accusing him of so much more?
I do think that Mr. Wicker needs to consider his public image at this point and try to do some damage control or some sort. Even Mz Jackson, who only exposed her nipple came out later to say that it was a 'wardrobe malfunction' -- let us not forget that we live in a country that acted the way it did about something as minor as a bejeweled breast exposed!
Regardless of what he should have expected, he still has a legal right not to be harrased or slandered. Perhaps he should consider contacting the ACLU, Larry Flint or some other organization.
so says the sicko pervert, Amy Sweet.
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Walter "Walt" Whitman (May 31, 1819 – March 26, 1892) is widely considered to be one of America's best and most influential poets.
Translated into more than 25 languages, Whitman is said to have invented contemporary American literature as a genre[citation needed]. He abandoned the rhythmic and metrical structures of European poetry for an expansionist freestyle verse, which delivered his philosophical view that America was destined to reinvent the world as emancipator and liberator of the human spirit.
The first versions of Leaves of Grass were self-published and poorly received. Several poems featured graphic depictions of the human body, enumerated in Whitman's innovative "cataloguing" style, which contrasted with the reserved Puritan ethic of the period. Despite its revolutionary content and structure, subsequent editions of the book evoked critical indifference in the US literary establishment. Outside the US, the book was a world-wide sensation, especially in France, where Whitman's intense humanism influenced the naturalist revolution in French letters.
In 1882, Boston district attorney Oliver Stevens, urged by the New England Society for the Suppression of Vice, wrote to Whitman's publisher, James R. Osgood: "We are of the opinion that this book is such a book as brings it within the provisions of the Public Statutes respecting obscene literature and suggest the propriety of withdrawing the same from circulation and suppressing the editions thereof." Stevens demanded the removal of the poems "A Woman Waits for Me" and "To a Common Prostitute", as well as changes to "Song of Myself," "From Pent-Up Aching Rivers," "I Sing the Body Electric," "Spontaneous Me," "Native Moments," "The Dalliance of the Eagles," "By Blue Ontario’s Shore," "Unfolded Out of the Folds," "The Sleepers," and "Faces." Whitman rejected the censorship, writing to Osgood, "The list whole & several is rejected by me, & will not be thought of under any circumstances." Osgood refused to republish the book, returning the plates to Whitman, who found a new publisher in Rees Welsh. The publicity due to the case ended up increasing sales when the book was reissued.
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Most of you would probably argue that LA Wicker is no Walt Witman (who is) however, his stories *are* well written and very highly rated. My point is not that Mr. Wicker is the next great literary thing, but that EVEN Walt Whitman was accused of being immoral and obscene and probably went through much the same kind of abuse as Mr. Wicker is recieving.
Translated into more than 25 languages, Whitman is said to have invented contemporary American literature as a genre[citation needed]. He abandoned the rhythmic and metrical structures of European poetry for an expansionist freestyle verse, which delivered his philosophical view that America was destined to reinvent the world as emancipator and liberator of the human spirit.
The first versions of Leaves of Grass were self-published and poorly received. Several poems featured graphic depictions of the human body, enumerated in Whitman's innovative "cataloguing" style, which contrasted with the reserved Puritan ethic of the period. Despite its revolutionary content and structure, subsequent editions of the book evoked critical indifference in the US literary establishment. Outside the US, the book was a world-wide sensation, especially in France, where Whitman's intense humanism influenced the naturalist revolution in French letters.
In 1882, Boston district attorney Oliver Stevens, urged by the New England Society for the Suppression of Vice, wrote to Whitman's publisher, James R. Osgood: "We are of the opinion that this book is such a book as brings it within the provisions of the Public Statutes respecting obscene literature and suggest the propriety of withdrawing the same from circulation and suppressing the editions thereof." Stevens demanded the removal of the poems "A Woman Waits for Me" and "To a Common Prostitute", as well as changes to "Song of Myself," "From Pent-Up Aching Rivers," "I Sing the Body Electric," "Spontaneous Me," "Native Moments," "The Dalliance of the Eagles," "By Blue Ontario’s Shore," "Unfolded Out of the Folds," "The Sleepers," and "Faces." Whitman rejected the censorship, writing to Osgood, "The list whole & several is rejected by me, & will not be thought of under any circumstances." Osgood refused to republish the book, returning the plates to Whitman, who found a new publisher in Rees Welsh. The publicity due to the case ended up increasing sales when the book was reissued.
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Most of you would probably argue that LA Wicker is no Walt Witman (who is) however, his stories *are* well written and very highly rated. My point is not that Mr. Wicker is the next great literary thing, but that EVEN Walt Whitman was accused of being immoral and obscene and probably went through much the same kind of abuse as Mr. Wicker is recieving.
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Agreed. The editors may have missed it due to the first mention of Jerry turning 18 (I did), but then there's a sex scene and it goes to his 18th bday. To me, it looks like:Pure said:
LA Wicker's "Alana" said:
I didn't think anything of it until I got to that second mention/last line. Perhaps it's just poor writing or I'm understanding, but it seems like "I had always thought of, Alana, as a sister or mother, until I turned 18," was simply thrown in there in hopes of circumventing Lit's rules.
If I had edited this story, I would have told him it was unacceptable and needs to be changed so it's clear Jerry's 18 before any sexual activity takes place. As a reader, I'm tempted to request it be reviewed because I think it has the potential to be problematic for this site. Or has it already been reported and re-approved?
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SPMost of you would probably argue that LA Wicker is no Walt Witman (who is) however, his stories *are* well written and very highly rated.
P:
I'm not sure of their quality; any evidence it's high?
The point, however, remains the same with other examples: some very famous 'free expression' and 'porn' cases involve utterly obscure and pedestrian, even shoddy porn; utter crap: Seymore Pussy flogs Helga the Hottie. You DON'T have to be Whitman to have 'free expression' rights; for instance you can be Larry Flynt.
Writers of pornographic material, however, do not deserve physical threats, though I don't think we can question a Fayetteville citizen's right to disapprove.
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SP Anyone with half a brain? Colleen used her real name, most of us agree that she was a very intellegent woman. Several intellegent people here use there real name, or some form of it. Perhaps it would be better to say, "anyone with half a brain will realize and accept the risks involved in using there real name"
I would love to hear some oppinions of litizens who use there real name or some form, but they are probably staying clear of this thread.
Yes, SP, there are some real names; but they are people with good insulation from public opinion and pressure, like Colleen. You don't find school teachers and child service workers using real names. Nor even those employed in major firms subject to public pressure.
Independent business people, say, in the business of scrap metal, may not need to protect a name.
The other thing, SP, is that 'staying under the radar' is an issue that escaped LAW. IF Colleen had gone to a major paper with complaints about medical issues, and started to lobby congress on disability rights, you can be some of her activities would be discovered and receive comment. (By the way, I am not sure Colleen Thomas is her real name, but I'm supposing so, ftsoa.)
A further matter is that in bubbaland, probably writing a good fuck story would be a matter for praise, and no more objectionable than having a copy of Hustler sticking out of one's jean pocket. But Daddies-fucking-daughters stories even make a number of Litizens quite uncomfortable. Esp. with an underage element added. Again, it's wise for a 'perverted story' specialist to stay off the Larry King show, unless you're independently wealthy.
P:
I'm not sure of their quality; any evidence it's high?
The point, however, remains the same with other examples: some very famous 'free expression' and 'porn' cases involve utterly obscure and pedestrian, even shoddy porn; utter crap: Seymore Pussy flogs Helga the Hottie. You DON'T have to be Whitman to have 'free expression' rights; for instance you can be Larry Flynt.
Writers of pornographic material, however, do not deserve physical threats, though I don't think we can question a Fayetteville citizen's right to disapprove.
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SP Anyone with half a brain? Colleen used her real name, most of us agree that she was a very intellegent woman. Several intellegent people here use there real name, or some form of it. Perhaps it would be better to say, "anyone with half a brain will realize and accept the risks involved in using there real name"
I would love to hear some oppinions of litizens who use there real name or some form, but they are probably staying clear of this thread.
Yes, SP, there are some real names; but they are people with good insulation from public opinion and pressure, like Colleen. You don't find school teachers and child service workers using real names. Nor even those employed in major firms subject to public pressure.
Independent business people, say, in the business of scrap metal, may not need to protect a name.
The other thing, SP, is that 'staying under the radar' is an issue that escaped LAW. IF Colleen had gone to a major paper with complaints about medical issues, and started to lobby congress on disability rights, you can be some of her activities would be discovered and receive comment. (By the way, I am not sure Colleen Thomas is her real name, but I'm supposing so, ftsoa.)
A further matter is that in bubbaland, probably writing a good fuck story would be a matter for praise, and no more objectionable than having a copy of Hustler sticking out of one's jean pocket. But Daddies-fucking-daughters stories even make a number of Litizens quite uncomfortable. Esp. with an underage element added. Again, it's wise for a 'perverted story' specialist to stay off the Larry King show, unless you're independently wealthy.
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sweet erika! and a question
hi erica: it [Alana] has been reported but its status is unclear; subject to determination. it's still accessible.
his other story, the massage one, is suspended pending evaluation (not accessible, though I have parts of it).
i'm not sure why the two are treated differently, but it could be that Alana is still 'in process' or just system glitches.
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as i said, above, LAW apparently thought it was sufficient if there was no intercourse between underage persons or between them and adults. so he has masturbation and 'rubbing off' scenes.
i'm speaking unofficially, but it's my understanding that *graphically* detailed underage sex--activity short of intercourse included-- is against lit policy. one reason is the some pending legislation may criminalize it.
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question: I'm much puzzled by this LAW passage from 'daughter and her friends' (damn stuff's like potato chips; addicting)
http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=3854
Our well endowed hero is fucking a highschool girl of unstated age, perhaps 18, perhaps a bit younger.
Jennie spread her long legs and hips. We kissed as our bodies heated up. My cock was rubbing on her virgin flower, she was already wet. She was moving her hips into my cock.
My cock head was at her opening, her dark eyes looked into mine, as I entered her body, her cherry was mine, we both gasp for air. I Gently pushed more inside her.
She whispered, "Oh fuck, Larry, I love you so much. Oh yes, please give it to me ." she gasp. With one big easy push, my 12 inch cock was inside this little baby. A girl I had watched almost all her life was now my woman.
Our hips moved together as I pumped this beautiful young woman. [... intercourse proceeds]
She screamed loud, "Oh my God, I 'm cumming" Her body was having her first real orgasm. I pumped her faster, with a big hard thrust, I took her inner cherry. I was inside her soul, her womanhood, my cock rested in her womb.
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in my education, I must've missed about the 'second cherry' /// what is it?
also. how does someone get his cock into a womb?
hi erica: it [Alana] has been reported but its status is unclear; subject to determination. it's still accessible.
his other story, the massage one, is suspended pending evaluation (not accessible, though I have parts of it).
i'm not sure why the two are treated differently, but it could be that Alana is still 'in process' or just system glitches.
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as i said, above, LAW apparently thought it was sufficient if there was no intercourse between underage persons or between them and adults. so he has masturbation and 'rubbing off' scenes.
i'm speaking unofficially, but it's my understanding that *graphically* detailed underage sex--activity short of intercourse included-- is against lit policy. one reason is the some pending legislation may criminalize it.
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question: I'm much puzzled by this LAW passage from 'daughter and her friends' (damn stuff's like potato chips; addicting)
http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=3854
Our well endowed hero is fucking a highschool girl of unstated age, perhaps 18, perhaps a bit younger.
Jennie spread her long legs and hips. We kissed as our bodies heated up. My cock was rubbing on her virgin flower, she was already wet. She was moving her hips into my cock.
My cock head was at her opening, her dark eyes looked into mine, as I entered her body, her cherry was mine, we both gasp for air. I Gently pushed more inside her.
She whispered, "Oh fuck, Larry, I love you so much. Oh yes, please give it to me ." she gasp. With one big easy push, my 12 inch cock was inside this little baby. A girl I had watched almost all her life was now my woman.
Our hips moved together as I pumped this beautiful young woman. [... intercourse proceeds]
She screamed loud, "Oh my God, I 'm cumming" Her body was having her first real orgasm. I pumped her faster, with a big hard thrust, I took her inner cherry. I was inside her soul, her womanhood, my cock rested in her womb.
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in my education, I must've missed about the 'second cherry' /// what is it?
also. how does someone get his cock into a womb?
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Well, I have a Masters in Literature and I have to say...this is no Walt WitmanPure said:
Not sayin' that matters, as you pointed out, Pure--LW should not be persecuted for what he writes no matter how good or bad it is...However, I think the thesis that LW's stories are "well written" is a pretty poor one given this example.
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Thank you. I won't bother the staff with another report then.Pure said:
No clue, but I've had to inform several authors while editing First Time stories that, no, the hymen is not located well inside the vagina, it's at the opening. Many also have the huge cock TEAR through the hymen, she screams in pain, urges him to keep going, he comes, then she has an amazing orgasm at the feeling of him "shooting his hot man-seed" inside of her.
I'm not sure about anyone else, but if said monster cock was trying to penetrate my cervix or ripping apart my flesh, I'd neither be urging it on nor orgasming.
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i kinda liked that story cuz our hero has his daughter's 4 girlfriends (no nerds, all on the swim team) live with them and happily fuck their way through high school. then he sends them off to college, being a big hearted as well as BIG guy ,and each has four kids by him (but not the daughter; she just keeps fucking him forever).
our hero is averse, in some stories, to incest babies, but it hasn't occurred to him to let her have and keep a hubby who isn't a brute: all the temp hubbies are brutes so that 20 year old Krissandra comes home tearful to daddy for some 10 inch comfort.
our hero is averse, in some stories, to incest babies, but it hasn't occurred to him to let her have and keep a hubby who isn't a brute: all the temp hubbies are brutes so that 20 year old Krissandra comes home tearful to daddy for some 10 inch comfort.
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Pure said:
It's so close to reality it's uncanny.
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If he can't afford to fix his floors what makes you think he can afford to sue someone for libel? Lawyers cost money and a lawyer won't take a case on contingent unless the defendant has lots and lots of money.sweetnpetite said:
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Another thing I'd like to point out is that writing a story about someone who is "possibly under 18" doesn't make you a pedophile. Even having sex w/ someone possibly (or even certainly under 18 does not make you a pedophile for 2 reasons-
-the age of concent varries from state to state, but isn't, as commonly believed always 18. It's 16 in my state, and I don't think that's unusual.
-pedophilia is a primary or soul attraction to prepubescent children-- not sexually developing and or developed 17 year olds. It's shunned, it's taboo, but it's not pedophilia.
The fact that he's got some questionably aged girls in his story is one thing. But it's really not enough to jump to what he is being accused of-- such as being a child mollestor or even writting 'kiddy porn'. I think the worst he can legitamatly be accused of is excersizing bad judgement and being something of a hothead.
BTW, I said that his stories are of 'good quality' not "excellent quality" meaning that they are readable and fee of glaring spelling and sentence structure errors. My judgement was made by looking over a story of his and it looked like it would be readable and enjoyable (for those who like that category, which many do although few seem to admit to) which was backed by high scores. I object to the picking apart of certain sentences and paragraphs-- I think we can find crappy pieces in all of our stories. MOST porn stories are gonna have some laughable sentences when removed from the entirety of the story. And MOST of us are misinformed about some part of anatomy or sexuality.
IF they had not been fairly well written, they would have scores of 1.5 or 2.0 or something. LIke I said, I said, "good quality" not pulizer prize quality. They certainly don't look like the've been slapped together 'one-handedly' and then submitted without so much as once over. And believe me, there have been stories of that quality accepted.
-the age of concent varries from state to state, but isn't, as commonly believed always 18. It's 16 in my state, and I don't think that's unusual.
-pedophilia is a primary or soul attraction to prepubescent children-- not sexually developing and or developed 17 year olds. It's shunned, it's taboo, but it's not pedophilia.
The fact that he's got some questionably aged girls in his story is one thing. But it's really not enough to jump to what he is being accused of-- such as being a child mollestor or even writting 'kiddy porn'. I think the worst he can legitamatly be accused of is excersizing bad judgement and being something of a hothead.
BTW, I said that his stories are of 'good quality' not "excellent quality" meaning that they are readable and fee of glaring spelling and sentence structure errors. My judgement was made by looking over a story of his and it looked like it would be readable and enjoyable (for those who like that category, which many do although few seem to admit to) which was backed by high scores. I object to the picking apart of certain sentences and paragraphs-- I think we can find crappy pieces in all of our stories. MOST porn stories are gonna have some laughable sentences when removed from the entirety of the story. And MOST of us are misinformed about some part of anatomy or sexuality.
IF they had not been fairly well written, they would have scores of 1.5 or 2.0 or something. LIke I said, I said, "good quality" not pulizer prize quality. They certainly don't look like the've been slapped together 'one-handedly' and then submitted without so much as once over. And believe me, there have been stories of that quality accepted.
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yes, s& p he was getting a bum rap with the accusations of sexual offenses.
judging by the forum in the newspaper, he's holding his own and people are getting tired of the topic. some at least realize he only *wrote* of illegal acts. and, as S & P said, they are often older males and adolescent, mid teens girls, which even IRL is not 'pedophilia.' it's what called a leaning toward 'jail bait,' and it's as common as the cold.
the quality of his stories is not an issue; defending his right to write does not depend on their being 'literature.' in any case, the number ratings don't necessarily show quality, else mcdonalds would be the *best* hamburger in the world, not just the most eaten.
they are pretty standard porn fantasies thousands have jerked off too. they do not pretend to be more.
a couple of his lit stories were right on the border of acceptability *by lit guidelines*; one has apparently been put on ice; but that's laurel, not the law as of yet. the law may change, but right now afaik, you can write about any events you please, legal or not; you can write about terrible things happening to kids, like being eaten by aliens.
indeed, i'm sure s& p would agree here: there would NOT be lots of works of literature were books censored or censured because of very nasty things happening to nice people or kids: MacDuffs kids are murdered in one scene of Macbeth-- on stage it's with knives; they're stabbed to death, that is, within the drama, the kids are depicted as being so. as the saying goes: no kids were actually harmed in the making of this play. there is no evidence of anyone being harmed because or, or as connected to LAW's writing of his stories.
judging by the forum in the newspaper, he's holding his own and people are getting tired of the topic. some at least realize he only *wrote* of illegal acts. and, as S & P said, they are often older males and adolescent, mid teens girls, which even IRL is not 'pedophilia.' it's what called a leaning toward 'jail bait,' and it's as common as the cold.
the quality of his stories is not an issue; defending his right to write does not depend on their being 'literature.' in any case, the number ratings don't necessarily show quality, else mcdonalds would be the *best* hamburger in the world, not just the most eaten.
they are pretty standard porn fantasies thousands have jerked off too. they do not pretend to be more.
a couple of his lit stories were right on the border of acceptability *by lit guidelines*; one has apparently been put on ice; but that's laurel, not the law as of yet. the law may change, but right now afaik, you can write about any events you please, legal or not; you can write about terrible things happening to kids, like being eaten by aliens.
indeed, i'm sure s& p would agree here: there would NOT be lots of works of literature were books censored or censured because of very nasty things happening to nice people or kids: MacDuffs kids are murdered in one scene of Macbeth-- on stage it's with knives; they're stabbed to death, that is, within the drama, the kids are depicted as being so. as the saying goes: no kids were actually harmed in the making of this play. there is no evidence of anyone being harmed because or, or as connected to LAW's writing of his stories.
