Please Explain

[Colleen Thomas]

I'm not an expert RR, but I don't believe rape or child molestation are capital crimes here in the states. The english will have to pay for his maintenance because he committed his crimes in England, had he done so here in the states, it would be us who were paying for him.

 

[R. Richard]

I'm not an expert RR, but I don't believe rape or child molestation are capital crimes here in the states. The english will have to pay for his maintenance because he committed his crimes in England, had he done so here in the states, it would be us who were paying for him.

Sadly, you are correct. The only capital crimes in the United States involve murder or treason. However, I have to ask why?

If you read the complete story, the guy who raped the baby is also guilty of sex with a 14 year old. I can imagine that he has other child victims. Why society lets such people live is a constant puzzle to me.

JMNTHO.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Sadly, you are correct. The only capital crimes in the United States involve murder or treason. However, I have to ask why?

If you read the complete story, the guy who raped the baby is also guilty of sex with a 14 year old. I can imagine that he has other child victims. Why society lets such people live is a constant puzzle to me.

JMNTHO.

I don't have any answer. Clearly, this kind of predator is an ongoing threat to society. Just as clearly, because of his preference in victims, age and infimity on his part do not lessen his destructive potential, his prefered victims are those most helpless to start with.

 

[zeb1094]

"Hello, police?" she said while staring him calmly in the eyes. "I think I just shot an intruder."

Amen! Just make sure he falls into the house!

 

[Selena_Kitt]

OK, you got me. But still... *growl*

I know I know... we always want to think we can protect them... imagine the mother's horror and guilt... it must be tremendous

 

[entitled]

I know I know... we always want to think we can protect them... imagine the mother's horror and guilt... it must be tremendous

Indeedy.

If it were up to me, i'd just sic mom on them. No need for the government or the people to pay for anything once she gets done, i'm sure.

 

[R. Richard]

Indeedy.

If it were up to me, i'd just sic mom on them. No need for the government or the people to pay for anything once she gets done, i'm sure.

Unfortunately, if you read between the lines, this is a poor, working, single mother, trying to get care for her very young baby. She can't protect the baby while she is at work. Gear would be a deterrent here.

If they would just put the guy in prison and relaese him into the general population, the problen would be quickly solved. Strangely, prison inmates do not tolerate baby rapers amongst them.

 

[entitled]

Unfortunately, if you read between the lines, this is a poor, working, single mother, trying to get care for her very young baby. She can't protect the baby while she is at work. Gear would be a deterrent here.

If they would just put the guy in prison and relaese him into the general population, the problen would be quickly solved. Strangely, prison inmates do not tolerate baby rapers amongst them.

If she has a spoon and some rope, it would be enough.

 

[Guest]

I know I know... we always want to think we can protect them... imagine the mother's horror and guilt... it must be tremendous

its a rage you cant control.
helpless
overwhelming guilt
if i thought for one moment that i could have killed myself and my girls would have had a better life....i would have gladly died because that pain is truly preferable to the constant pain ive had since then...not to mention the horrid suffering my daughter has to endure.
not a day goes by that i dont think about the 'signs'...the things i should have seen...the things maybe someone else would have seen.
no one needs to castigate me. i do that well enough on my own.
i didnt kill him
i dont wish i had. i dont care about him any more only the fact that he stays away. i worry that hell find us again. i worry that hell show up wanting to 'pay' me back for putting him in prison. because, in his own words..."the entire situation could have been avoided had you been a better wife." after a while...those words make you wonder.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

One problem with predators like this is that you are not dealing with your run of the mill criminal. Most of them are legitimately mentally ill. This does not absolve them of their crimes, but it does place an extremely difficult burden on the justice system.

Incarceration, for whatever time period, dosen't offer much if any hope of reforming them. But capital punishment would be esssentally killing someone who is mentally ill for their mental illness. Yet these two, are the mainstays of a justice system, either incarceration or in some places, the death penalty. The justice system isn't equipped to deal with someone to whom neither measure offers a solution.

Sadly, medical help and medication are also prety powerless when dealing with child predators. their illness is beyond the bounds of science at this time. So what do you do with them? the most effective solution is complete separation from society for their natural life. Yet that too, is pretty draconian.

You are left with a quandry. A criminal, who is not likely to be reformed or deterred by any action you take and who represents an ongoing threat that age and infirmity do not really curtail.

 

[R. Richard]

One problem with predators like this is that you are not dealing with your run of the mill criminal. Most of them are legitimately mentally ill. This does not absolve them of their crimes, but it does place an extremely difficult burden on the justice system.

Incarceration, for whatever time period, dosen't offer much if any hope of reforming them. But capital punishment would be esssentally killing someone who is mentally ill for their mental illness. Yet these two, are the mainstays of a justice system, either incarceration or in some places, the death penalty. The justice system isn't equipped to deal with someone to whom neither measure offers a solution.

Sadly, medical help and medication are also prety powerless when dealing with child predators. their illness is beyond the bounds of science at this time. So what do you do with them? the most effective solution is complete separation from society for their natural life. Yet that too, is pretty draconian.

You are left with a quandry. A criminal, who is not likely to be reformed or deterred by any action you take and who represents an ongoing threat that age and infirmity do not really curtail.

What you are discussing here is the fully functional criminally insane. They can function within our society, but they are psychotics who prey on others within the society. Worse yet, they can evade the rather pathetic efforts of our current medical systems to treat or even diagnose them.

You say: "A criminal, who is not likely to be reformed or deterred by any action you take and who represents an ongoing threat that age and infirmity do not really curtail." Actually, you have defined the only realistic solution; death!

 

[rgraham666]

Are you going to kill them before or after they've committed a crime?

What will be the minimum crime required before it's decided they are mentally ill, can't be cured and should be put to death?

Will their very existence become a crime?

Can you define the illness well enough to put to death only those that represent a danger to others? What happens if you misdiagnose?

 

[Colleen Thomas]

What you are discussing here is the fully functional criminally insane. They can function within our society, but they are psychotics who prey on others within the society. Worse yet, they can evade the rather pathetic efforts of our current medical systems to treat or even diagnose them.

You say: "A criminal, who is not likely to be reformed or deterred by any action you take and who represents an ongoing threat that age and infirmity do not really curtail." Actually, you have defined the only realistic solution; death!

Death is just the most convient way to deal with them, it isn't defacto the best.

I would hope medical science will one day soon find the right combination of drugs and therapy to render the urges and longings of such a person inoperative.

Clearly, that hasn't happened yet and in the mean time the justice ssytem must labor under a set of conditions that really is beyond the scope of it to handle.

I'm not violently opposed to such crimes falling under the auspices of capital crimes. I'm not throughly convinced such a move is neccessary either. I suppose the best indicator for me is that I can't offer even a hypothetical solution that is more workable than making it a capital crime.

 

[Guest]

there is not one single way to deal with these people. anything we do is going to be flawed because of the simple fact that we dont fully understand the reason behind the illness.
what would my solution be? i have no idea. however, i wouldnt mind making sure they never have the opportunity to hurt again. how? jail is our answer. like colly said, how can you put to death someone who is mentally ill?
shades of grey. too many what if's

(i am not totally against the death penalty but it must be a crime so indellibly horrid and without question that the guilty party is infact guilty for me to be able to say that i would be the one to push the button. if i wouldnt be willing to kill someone for a crime they committed, then i would be a hypocrit to say i believed in the death penalty.../rant )

 

[R. Richard]

Are you going to kill them before or after they've committed a crime?

After they have committed a crime and been convicted.

What will be the minimum crime required before it's decided they are mentally ill, can't be cured and should be put to death?

That is not an easy question. However, baby rape is easily in the capital crimes area.

Will their very existence become a crime?

The only way that society can really determine that they exist is for them to committ/attempt to commit a crime. There are other ways to dtermine that they exist, but the methods are not known to academics because academics do not live in that world. I did.

Can you define the illness well enough to put to death only those that represent a danger to others? What happens if you misdiagnose?

Almost all of the fully functional criminally insane represent a clear and present danger to others. I would not define fully functional criminally insanity as an illness, it is a state of being. The fully functional criminally insane can't be "cured," because they aren't technically ill, they are just predators. If they become an obvious danger to others, then society must make a decision, kill the predator or let the predator at least greviously harm members of society.

There is one other solution. The fully functional criminally insane can be used to perform necessary and very dangerous work. Unfortunately, they are very difficult to control. Thus, those in charge are not willing to allow controlled use of them by those few who can control them.

 

[matriarch]

Is this a coincidence.....another Alab Webster - children - but in the USA???

Alan Webster

 

[matriarch]

I can't find this story anywhere on line, what is your source, please??

 

[Samandiriel]

I can't find this story anywhere on line, what is your source, please??

Here tis:

Link to scumbags

 

[R. Richard]

I can't find this story anywhere on line, what is your source, please??

Assuming that you are referring to my original posting, my source is the BBC News, International Version.

I will try to post a link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/4599524.stm\

 

[R. Richard]

Sorry Samandiriel, I didn't mean to step on your post.

 

[matriarch]

Thank you both.

 

[Samandiriel]

Sorry Samandiriel, I didn't mean to step on your post.

No apologies.

 

[zeb1094]

because, in his own words..."the entire situation could have been avoided had you been a better wife." after a while...those words make you wonder.

That's bullshit and I hope you know it, he would have done it anyway, whether you, as in his word, where a better wife or not.

That was his way of trying to lay the quilt for what he did at your feet to upset you.

It wasn't your fault!

 

[Samandiriel]

Seeing that he has done this prior you have to wonder what the statisics are for repeating such offenses.
What could be the possible deterent?
and what makes a 12 week old infant sexually attractive to such a person?

 

[R. Richard]

Seeing that he has done this prior you have to wonder what the statisics are for repeating such offenses.

Basically, as long as the person has the physical capability to commit such act, he will.

What could be the possible deterent?

Death!

and what makes a 12 week old infant sexually attractive to such a person?

Unfortunately, you would have to become that person to really understand.