Please don't delete another of my threads

[WriterDom]

You know, I thought this was one place where we could get away from the attitude that somehow those posters with mega numbers are somehow more important than someone with 50 posts. And I really don’t appreciate being told what my thought process for taking an action is before I even have a chance to respond to it.

Yes, I moved a “how to” question to the “how to” forum. Not because I “hate” lavender. I really don’t have feelings about her one way or another. I moved it because it had absolutely nothing to do with BDSM.. Nothing to do with BD, nothing to do with DS, Nothing to do with SM.Yes it was a sex question. Yes, this is a porn board. But it seems that friends of cym and RS are allowed to play under different rules. Suppose, for a moment, that the poster had been CoolHandLuke. I’m making that name up, there may or may not be a CoolHandLuke. Suppose he posts a thread saying he was disappointed with his current Jack off lotion and could anyone suggest a good one. Had I moved that to the “how to” forum, would anyone raised an eyebrow? Now, by this precedent, general sex questions are now allowed on the bdsm board. Will they be removed? Well, I guess that all depends on who is doing the posting.

As many of you know, I gave up my monitor position months ago. That post wasn’t moved, it was DELETED. What new bdsm rules can you come up with really quick to justify that? I gave up on trying to find out who did it and why. And why wasn’t I replaced months ago when I asked to be? This could have been avoided.

Quite frankly, I welcome being relieved. Maybe this will be a friendlier place for the Killer Muffins of the world.

Just for shits and grins, I’d like to end this post with a poll. Just to see if there is anyone who might not believe I’m the root off all the problems here.

All good things must come to an end. I wish you luck on your new path.

 

[cymbidia]

This was unnecessary. However, i'll answer your queries since you saw fit to post them here.

You know, I thought this was one place where we could get away from the attitude that somehow those posters with mega numbers are somehow more important than someone with 50 posts.

Numbers don't matter here. an open-minded tolerance and willingness to be a responsible part of this community count for everything in this place. You know that.

And I really don’t appreciate being told what my thought process for taking an action is before I even have a chance to respond to it.

This is just pouting. Whatever we discussed was in PM's WD - between you and me and R. That's where it has to stay. However, i know - and you know - that your motivation for moving that post was sharpened by your personal feelings toward the original poster, feelings that are well known across the length and depth of Literotica as a whole. I had hoped your personal animosities would *not* become a factor in your mods duties but that hope died out with this action.

Yes, I moved a “how to” question to the “how to” forum. Not because I “hate” lavender. I really don’t have feelings about her one way or another. I moved it because it had absolutely nothing to do with BDSM.. Nothing to do with BD, nothing to do with DS, Nothing to do with SM.Yes it was a sex question. Yes, this is a porn board.

For most of us, anal sex is a normal part of our everyday sexuality. In my entirely unscientific opinion, we BDSM'ers do a lot more of it, and more regularly, then does any comparable portion of non-gay nilla society out there, WD, and you know it. We have Dom/mes and subs and switches of all descriptions that love it and know a lot about it.

Under our umbrella are those who use strap-on's and plugs and practice anal dilation. These things are most definitely BDSM in nature ,and all of them require a good working knowledge of lubes. Just because a question doesn't have an immediate and direct link to BDSM practices does not mean that it's not BDSM related.

In this case, you were wrong to move this thread - but you did it anyway because of the animosity between you and lavy. It was an abuse of power.

But it seems that friends of cym and RS are allowed to play under different rules.

This is utter bullshit. I'd slap a warning on anyone who did wrong, friend or foe. As a moderator, my allegiance is first to the forum. I don't play favorites. Neither does Risia.

Suppose, for a moment, that the poster had been CoolHandLuke. I’m making that name up, there may or may not be a CoolHandLuke. Suppose he posts a thread saying he was disappointed with his current Jack off lotion and could anyone suggest a good one. Had I moved that to the “how to” forum, would anyone raised an eyebrow? Now, by this precedent, general sex questions are now allowed on the bdsm board. Will they be removed? Well, I guess that all depends on who is doing the posting.

The question you deleted referred to anal sex, lube for anal sex. How is anal sex not a part of BDSM practices? A question concerning masturbatory lube might or might not be appropriate for this forum, but that which pertains to anal sex is, most definitely.

As many of you know, I gave up my monitor position months ago.

No. You didn't. You talked about it a little after we suggested it might be appropriate but you didn't give it up and we didn't force the issue. It's been lying there uneasily since then, the subject of your moderating on this board.[/quote]

That post wasn’t moved, it was DELETED. What new bdsm rules can you come up with really quick to justify that? I gave up on trying to find out who did it and why. And why wasn’t I replaced months ago when I asked to be? This could have been avoided.

That post was deleted in error. My error. It was supposed to be moved to the Mods Forum. I was embarrassed for you, WD, and the petulance you showed in that post. I hoped to salvage your dignity and make it possible for you to continue on as a valued member of this community.

You weren't replaced then because summer came, and with it people's schedules became liquid; the person we most wanted to do the job became unavailable. You've been removed now, though. Please pardon the delay that made this unfortunate incident possible.

Quite frankly, I welcome being relieved. Maybe this will be a friendlier place for the Killer Muffins of the world.

I'm glad you feel relieved. And i don't know what in the world KM has to do with this.

Just for shits and grins, I’d like to end this post with a poll. Just to see if there is anyone who might not believe I’m the root off all the problems here.

Pouting, WD. It doesn't become you.

All good things must come to an end. I wish you luck on your new path.

And my best to you, too, WD, warmly and sincerely. I hope you're not leaving completely; no one wants that.

 

[WriterDom]

It was moved to the Mods forum, cym. And unless you are a Mod that's the same thing as deleting it. We even continued our discussion on that very same thread inside the Mod forum. Later it might have been deleted but who cares at that point.

What right did you have to delete my post from the bdsm forum? Mods are allowed to delete posts because they are embarrassed for the poster? That should keep several Mods busy all day. And why lie to me all this time to finally come clean when I drag it out in public? And if you are willing to lie to me, how many more lies are you willing to tell in your little spins.

I think you need to work on salvaging your own dignity.




edit: sorry. This has me so upset that i pushed the wrong button and posted my response to WD in his thread. See below for the place it should have gone.
cym

 

[Cirrus]

cym, I normally agree with you, and I normally don't agree with WD, but the shoe's on the other foot here. I may be speaking out of turn and if anyone feels that, I shall apologize in advance, but lavy's question had nothing to do with anal and BDSM practices.

Had I been a mod, I would have moved the thread as well. So BDSMers engage in anal. We kiss, too. Would a "how to kiss better" thread be allowed to stay? We wear clothing. How about a "do I look fat in these jeans" post with a pic? This is the one board on Lit that's on topic and free of babble and clutter. Please...can we keep it that way? I'm not alone when I say I like that...this I am sure of.

And WD, though I agree with you, grow the hell up. This "she likes me better" bullshit isn't appropriate for anyone. If have a point, make it, but don't pull that. Even if you have a strong argument, accusations of favoritism weaken it tremendously.

 

[cymbidia]

LIE to you, WD?
Me?
When?
About what?

Please tell me the manner in which you think i lied to you now that you've made that accusation?

I moved your post. I never lied about it either, not to you or anyone. I was sad that you had to drag such an ugly bit of back business out in public. It wasn't good for the board, nor is this flap you're creating now.

That's beside the point.
Here is the point: i haven't lied to you or anyone else here about anything at all.

I've come too far in my life, sacrificed too much, to get to a place where i don't have to lie.

And i haven't.


My dignity is intact, thank you.
I've got no worries in that regard.

 

[sexy-girl]

not picking sides at all i like WD i hope that maybe you take a break from lit (if thats what you want) but i hope you dont leave ... whos going to listen to my golf updates if you do

i feel bad for you both this board and being a moderator for you both is meant to be fun i hope you both can sort this out ... its difficult work running this section of literotica especially with it being very new it started off so well but i guess there is always going to be a few bumps

i would like to add though on the subject of moving posts ... obviously theres some things that shouldnt be posted here ... but if you want to welcome people that perhaps arent among the BDSM lifestyle but have a sort of interest in it then you dont want to move every post that isnt 100% BDSM related

perhaps lavenders post wasnt completely BDSM related but the way she was asking it was directed to find out the opinion of the BDSM people here ... which i guess in my opinion makes it BDSM related

 

[cymbidia]

Had I been a mod, I would have moved the thread as well. So BDSMers engage in anal. We kiss, too. Would a "how to kiss better" thread be allowed to stay? We wear clothing. How about a "do I look fat in these jeans" post with a pic? This is the one board on Lit that's on topic and free of babble and clutter. Please...can we keep it that way? I'm not alone when I say I like that...this I am sure of.

We try hard to keep the board free of babble and clutter. For the most part, we're successful. There are *often* gray area posts, or whole threads that are of questionable relatedness to BDSM practices.

We tend to err on the side of non-interference with posts. If the post does not violate the forum rules, then we tend to leave it alone.

In the case of anal play, since we do so much of that in our BDSM sexual lives (plugs, dildos, strap-on's, dilations, etc), and since there are so many new people here, people that may not have much info relating to one lube versus another with respect to which is better, the info was, indeed, directly applicable to what we do in our private sexual lives.

Kissing would not be, unless it was some kinda forced kissing.

Wearing jeans would not be unless it was somehow a cross-dressing question.

Anal lube is different. It's a basic part of the info packet we all carry around because it's basic to what most of us do with each other as BDSM'ers.

You aren't wrong to question this, Cirrus, but we aren't wrong to make the lines more inclusive rather then less, either. It's already a real balancing act to moderate the board just holding to the rules we have in force. To begin to draw a tighter noose would mean more, rather then less, value judgments about each individual thread/post - and the problems would get bigger and bigger, as would the complaints.

I think we've got a good board, one that's balanced between some free and playful expression of individual personalities with a lot of factual and substantial discussion of that which directly relates to the issues of being a BDSM'er in the world Out There. Please continue to let us know where your worries are, though, and we'll do whatever we can to address them appropriately.

cymbidia
BDSM Forum Moderator

 

[WriterDom]

Re: Re: Please don't delete another of my threads

.[/quote]That post was deleted in error. My error. It was supposed to be moved to the Mods Forum. I was embarrassed for you, WD, and the petulance you showed in that post. I hoped to salvage your dignity and make it possible for you to continue on as a valued member of this community.

[/B][/QUOTE]

cym you have lied to me from day one as to what you did with the thread. And as late as today in a PM. YOu have always insisted that you had no idea who deleted it.

Another lie: It was supposed to be moved to the Mods Forum.

It was moved to the Mods forum where you kept insisting that you had no idea how got there. You sent me the link when I asked where is was, remember?

I'm sure one of the other mods who were entertained by our back and forths could confirm that I'm telling the truth.

At some point it was deleted from the Mod forum. Too bad, it would help to clear things up.

Did you or did you not delete the thread from the bdsm by moving it to the mod forum? And have you not told me all this time that you have no idea who did it?

I know memory fades over time, but I can't believe you didn't remember doing anything with it the day I PMed you and asked where the fuck it went to.

Stop doing a Clinton and just fess up. I don't blame you for covering it up. In my opinion, moving a question thread to the how to forum is nothing compared to deleting a post you didn't like. And to my credit, I've left this off the boards till now. But I think it needs to come out.

cym, I have your pm of today where you deny deleting my thread or having any knowledge of who did. . And lets get the terminology right. My thread was deleted. Lavs was moved.

 

[cymbidia]

I do not remember moving that thread, WD.

I just called R and asked her if she moved it. I woke her up to ask that, actually. Since she's only moved four threads, ever, it wasn't her.

So unless you moved it yourself for some reason, or someone else came in here and moved it, then it must have been me. (There are different levels of moderators at Lit. Some can move among forums and moderate at will while others, like us, can only moderate on thier own forum.)

Even though i do not remember doing so, i will accept your judgement that i moved your thread. Despite the fact that you aren't allowed to advertise for someone to fill a moderator opening, your thread violated no BDSM Forum rules. Therefore, i was wrong to move it, your little self-pitying thread.

Those of you with good memories may well scoff at my protesting that i simply truthfully don't remember. Feel free. I'm not one of you. I have a very poor memory, especially for things i think are unimportant in the first place.

However, once the post is in the mods forum, i have no way to alter or delete or change its status. All i can do to it there is post to it. You, too, WD. R, too. If it's gone from there, i didn't do it.

You were wrong to do the petulent little boy thing in the first place, WD, and i was wrong to remove the evidence of your petulence. Quit pouting and get over it.

In truth, WD, you've been a very poor moderator on this board from the very beginning, something that's no secret to anyone here. You've already said you're relieved to be done being a mod and i've already said i'm glad you're relieved. This has worked out well overall, this change, hasn't it? Most importantly, this will prove to be a very good thing for the forum. After all, that's what we're all after in all of this, is it not?

 

[CarolineOh]

::: putting on my traffic cop hat::::
Ok, let's get this car wreck of a thread cleared off the road. Move along, folks, there's nothing to see here.

 

[WriterDom]

cym, you can't try to explain why you deleted it and at the same time deny knowing that you did it. You are all over the place on this one. At least I know I'll sleep well tonight.

 

[cymbidia]

WD, i can do or say whatever the fuck i want to do or say as long as i'm honest.

If you can't recognize honest confusion and an equally honest effort to explain what might have happened, then so be it.

This is the last post i'll make to you about this issue.






I sleep well every night. All my lying, a thing i only did to one person in my life, is behind me and has been for while.

 

[WriterDom]

I do not remember moving that thread, WD.

I moved your post. I never lied about it either, not to you or anyone.

That post was deleted in error. My error. It was supposed to be moved to the Mods Forum. I was embarrassed for you, WD, and the petulance you showed in that post. I hoped to salvage your dignity and make it possible for you to continue on as a valued member of this community.



Just to help me understand, which of the above statements (yours) are closest to the truth?

And can you really say without crossing your fingers that you haven't denyed to me all this time that you had no knowlege of who might have deleted it?

Answer these two questions and I'll let it drop.

 

[KillerMuffin]

cym didn't move that thread, WD. If Laurel wanted that thread in the BDSM forum, it would be in the BDSM forum. And you know it. It doesn't take a genius to play "whose left over." Writer Dom didn't move the thread. Risia Skye didn't move the thread. cymbidia didn't move the thread. Whose left over? Or do you need a gold star to figure it out?

I imagine that you are simply not allowed to advertise your moderatorness as open for interested parties to fill because you aren't an administrator.

Isn't that just a difficult thing to figure out.

Really nice of you to pile that onto cym, 'specially since it happened so long ago and doesn't do anything in regards to today's events.

And I'm here to tell you that no Risia Skye and cymbidia do not play favorites. You didn't see 'em kissing my ass did you? You don't see 'em letting me get away with posting whatever in the hell I take it into my head to post do you?

Whether you were wrong in this matter or not is irrelevant. You were wrong to bring it to the board. Moderator business does not belong on the open boards. In my humble opinion.

I'm going back to my cage now. Leave my name out of it.

 

[cymbidia]

I do not know who moved your long-ago whiny-ass little thread, WD. I've accepted that logic would point at me but i do not know for sure.

Someone moved it from here to there. Maybe me, maybe not. I tend to play by the rules; always have. I do not remember moving it and i don't remember not moving it, either.

However, someone else moved it from there to someplace else.

It is gone.

That's all there is to it.

You're doing all this because you're feeling pissy about not being a moderator anymore. It reflects badly on you, WD. Let it go.

 

[Wizard]

As an older member that don't post a whole lot anymore but still read the threads every day let me say this is sad.............

How dose it look when we have a thread like this for our new folks to read ?????

I mean come on folks I recall when Lit. have very few rules and many liked it that way so a thread was posted here that maybe was better in another forum......***** will still go on........

I just think everyone should stand back and read this as if this is they frist day here and one of the first threads someone where to click on...........Let it go everyone.....Lets keep it fun here huh.

<shaking head>

 

[Guest]

What is a ''mods'', please?

Cage? What cage? Muffie, are you in Marxist's basement too?

 

[lilfrk]

mod(s) = moderator(s)

 

[tassie]

I don't know who's right and who's wrong.

I haven't been here long enough.

But I do know that it is WRONG to argue in public. it is embarrasing for everyone and gets us all nowhere.

please, take private rows to private places, and let everyone get on with being a supportive environment to discuss a subject that gets us enough damn flaming from the "real world". please, lets not row here.

Trying to tie others up in knots (no pun intended) with what they may or may not have said is not an adult way to resolve issues. you're all old enough to have kids. stop acting like them.

please, i felt at home here, please dont let this place we love get spoiled.

sorry. just a bit upset that's all.

 

[WriterDom]

You're doing all this because you're feeling pissy about not being a moderator anymore. It reflects badly on you, WD. Let it go.

No, cym, I'm being pissy because your story was always that you didn't know who deleted it. It was your story the day it was done, and I don't think your memory is that bad. It might have been a pissy little thread to you, but I think I deserved an answer on why it was deleted. And you didn't even take it seriously enough to call RS until today?

Contrast that to me moving a thread to an open forum that in my opinion, has nothing to do with bdsm, and you're on that like stink on shit. Sounds like a bit of double standard to me.

Pissy about not being a moderator? Hardly. But thanks for letting me bitch without the mystery mod deleting this. Censorship sucks.

 

[Lancecastor]

Everything Sucks*

Censorship sucks.

* words on a t-shirt I have.

People love it....

Hey...I just read this thread...anyone alert the Pulitzer folks yet?

Is a thread about moving a thread a BDSM thing?

If not....should it be moved?

What if it causes us all pain to read it?

Aren't group dynamics the best?

If WD was a Mod....is he now a Rocker?

Hmmmm...wow am I bored.

Lance Castor, Esq.

 

[Laurel]

I'm trying to stay out of this one, but I will say this: I did not move nuttin' in or out of this forum.

As far as WriterDom, I remember him saying previously that he didn't have time for or wasn't interested in being a Mod anymore. Whatever the reasoning, WD gets what he wants, cym gets what she wants, and that's the way we all became the Brady Bunch.

Sorry for interrupting, and I'll be out in the lobby if you need me.

 

[pierced_boy]

Highlight of a Problem

WriterDom has shone a spotlight on an ongoing issue here.

There are some senior players here who display a very difficult attitude to anybody who has the temerity to question or disagree with them.

Cym you are one of these people and you need to take a good look at yourself. You bring stuff of PMs to the boards, you fly off the handle and act petulantly, you pout, you are inconsistent. Cym you do have favourites and there is an elitism here.

It is not just me saying it. When I have raised this before I had private support and encouragement. Others see it too!


On Elitism
Don't say "I am not, it is not here," because YOU ARE, IT IS!

Cym you are well loved and can offer much to the state of these forums. Work hard on your own behaviour and let others be a bit.

H

 

[Wizard]

I don't understand why any thread needs to be removed unless personal info such as name and address , phone # are listed.........


I recall that is what made Lit so cool in the begining.........I may have missed it but I thought the general board was still that way.......

Remember ..........Freedom to say as you wish.............

If you chage to "Not removing any thread" they no one can say another is on a power trip................


It may have been silly, but come on here , be real ,what harm would it have done?.......We never had a silly thread in any other forum like that right?

What I am saying before it happens again...........and it will................Just let it be folks........go back to the way things were........No harm will be done.......*****s to short guys...lighten up huh.......

 

[MissTaken]

Oh, Damn!


Double Damn!


*streaking through in nothing but, nylon ropes around my breasts and a thong*



Seriously, this entire situation saddens me.