Penis Length-- Or, why people don't believe scientists...

[ManitowocMike]

Some politicians and scientists wonder why a lot of people don't believe all of the "important information" scientists wish to share with us poor ignorant mofos.

Mike's helpful hint of the day: Lots of us have working BS detectors.

This morning I was flipin' through an old copy of 'Science' magazine. (You'd think that one of the top orthopedic surgeons would have good reading material-- nah.)

Penis Length

It seems that a psychiatrist* at the South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust did a study...

"A graph of the size distribution shows that outliers are rare. A 16-cm (6.3-inch) erect penis falls into the 95th percentile: Out of 100 men, only five would have a penis larger than 16 cm. Conversely, an erect penis measuring 10 cm (3.94 inches) falls into the 5th percentile: Only five out of 100 men would have a penis smaller than 10 cm..."

"A 18-cm (7.0-inch) erect penis falls into the 99th percentile: Out of 100 men, only one would have a penis larger than 18 cm..."

Cumbayá folks we are all the same, 'least according to this BS study.

Mike's been in locker rooms and sex clubs, on a nude beach, and he's seen an erotic film or several... One percent greater than seven inches...




* That a psychiatrist feels a need to measure 15,521 penises (as the study claimed) is definitely going into Mike's LW story ideas file.

 

[ElectricBlue]

"A graph of the size distribution shows that outliers are rare. A 16-cm (6.3-inch) erect penis falls into the 95th percentile: Out of 100 men, only five would have a penis larger than 16 cm. Conversely, an erect penis measuring 10 cm (3.94 inches) falls into the 5th percentile: Only five out of 100 men would have a penis smaller than 10 cm..."

"A 18-cm (7.0-inch) erect penis falls into the 99th percentile: Out of 100 men, only one would have a penis larger than 18 cm..."

Cumbayá folks we are all the same, 'least according to this BS study.

Mike's been in locker rooms and sex clubs, on a nude beach, and he's seen an erotic film or several... One percent greater than seven inches...

That's a set of stats that is fairly widely supported by other sets of stats I've seen - based (one hopes) on more than one study, not just Kinsey.

But to judge the average male appendage by what you see in porn and sex clubs is probably not the most representative sample pool, just sayin' .

 

[MelissaBaby]

But to judge the average male appendage by what you see in porn and sex clubs is probably not the most representative sample pool, just sayin' .

It's like judging average height by watching an NBA game.

 

[LongDraw]

So having a 13" penis makes me an "outlier"?

 

[XerXesXu]

So having a 13" penis makes me an "outlier"?

An out and outlier.

 

[KyleR215]

I guess I am just average. Which I guess is okay. It's not a remarkable stat. But to equate it to the NBA example above............. I'll never be an NBA star. I'll just be any other guy sitting in the stands

 

[SimonDoom]

I guess I am just average. Which I guess is okay. It's not a remarkable stat. But to equate it to the NBA example above............. I'll never be an NBA star. I'll just be any other guy sitting in the stands

In 1986, Spud Webb, five foot seven, won the NBA dunk contest. Just saying.

 

[Rustyoznail]

Lol... This is the basis for my "Geek Pride" story.

As part of their research (and this is true), they found a 2001 study by Ansell. The company set up in the back room of a club in Tijuana and had medical staff measure the length of 400 volunteers. Only 300 got hard enough to measure... The average length was 5.877 inches, with a standard deviation of 0.508 inches. I suspect the study was done during the USA spring break.

Many other studies relied on self-reporting which, for some unknown reason, gave an average over 6".

Running the numbers, my characters settle on a sample size of 100 to measure from the Australian male 20-24 population, which will give 95% confidence with +/- 10% accuracy.

 

[LongDraw]

Lol... This is the basis for my "Geek Pride" story.

As part of their research (and this is true), they found a 2001 study by Ansell. The company set up in the back room of a club in Tijuana and had medical staff measure the length of 400 volunteers. Only 300 got hard enough to measure... The average length was 5.877 inches, with a standard deviation of 0.508 inches. I suspect the study was done during the USA spring break.

Many other studies relied on self-reporting which, for some unknown reason, gave an average over 6".

Running the numbers, my characters settle on a sample size of 100 to measure from the Australian male 20-24 population, which will give 95% confidence with +/- 10% accuracy.

Standard deviation is what you want to use there, not accuracy.

 

[Rustyoznail]

Yes, but you want to know how accurate your SD is...

My characters go into a technical discussion around statistics to determine what is a reasonable sample size that will produce an acceptable analysis. Their initial estimate, based on the entire Aussie male population is about 400 which tallies with the Ansell report. They're not keen on that number so by reducing the accuracy of the result drops the number to nearly 100.

A more manageable number - no pun intended...

 

[Bramblethorn]

"A graph of the size distribution shows that outliers are rare. A 16-cm (6.3-inch) erect penis falls into the 95th percentile: Out of 100 men, only five would have a penis larger than 16 cm. Conversely, an erect penis measuring 10 cm (3.94 inches) falls into the 5th percentile: Only five out of 100 men would have a penis smaller than 10 cm..."

"A 18-cm (7.0-inch) erect penis falls into the 99th percentile: Out of 100 men, only one would have a penis larger than 18 cm..."

Cumbayá folks we are all the same, 'least according to this BS study.

Mike's been in locker rooms and sex clubs, on a nude beach, and he's seen an erotic film or several... One percent greater than seven inches...

You know the men in porn films aren't selected for having average-sized penises, right?

Human memory and eyeball estimates are pretty unreliable. People are much more likely to notice and remember the big ones, and the ones who do have big ones are more likely to flaunt them.

* That a psychiatrist feels a need to measure 15,521 penises (as the study claimed) is definitely going into Mike's LW story ideas file.

The study doesn't claim that, though.

It was done by five authors (not just "a psychiatrist") and they didn't go out measuring penises themselves. It's what's known as a "meta-study": they seek out previous published research, check how that research was done to make sure they're measuring the same thing in the same kind of way, and pool the results from those previous studies. That total of 15,521 comes from adding up a couple of dozen different studies done by other researchers.

https://www.icopona.nz/content/Penis Size Study - Veale et al 2015 BJUI.pdf

 

[Bramblethorn]

So having a 13" penis makes me an "outlier"?

In a doctor's surgery, yes. On the internet, no.

 

[LongDraw]

In a doctor's surgery, yes. On the internet, no.

Phew! That takes a load off!

 

[ManitowocMike]

You know the men in porn films aren't selected for having average-sized penises, right?

No, like all actors they are selected for their ability to enunciate. What I have great difficulty believing is that only 1% of men have a penis over 7" long. If they said 10% I might believe that the Deviants I travel with jus' aint Standard, but 1/100?

The study doesn't claim that, though.

"Claim," I don't know," and I didn't read the study. I read a one-page magazine article that reported on the study..."David Veale, a psychiatrist, and his team compiled measurements from a total of 15,521 men..." In the absence of more information this implies that they measured 15,521 penises. And I'm not sure what difference it makes in their conclusion if Dave measured 'em all, or if his team did, or if 300 others did and reported their data and Dave's team read their reports.

Thank You for the link. At nine pages, it's eight more than the single page story in 'Science' which brings me to another point: Why people don't trust journalists, but continuing along this line runs the risk of becoming political.

 

[Lovecraft_Lore]

No matter how big yours is, she has at least three in a drawer in her bedroom that are much bigger.

 

[Bramblethorn]

No, like all actors they are selected for their ability to enunciate. What I have great difficulty believing is that only 1% of men have a penis over 7" long. If they said 10% I might believe that the Deviants I travel with jus' aint Standard, but 1/100?

"Claim," I don't know," and I didn't read the study. I read a one-page magazine article that reported on the study..."David Veale, a psychiatrist, and his team compiled measurements from a total of 15,521 men..." In the absence of more information this implies that they measured 15,521 penises.

"Compiling measurements" isn't the same thing as "taking measurements".

And I'm not sure what difference it makes in their conclusion if Dave measured 'em all, or if his team did, or if 300 others did and reported their data and Dave's team read their reports.

You seemed to be suggesting that it was remarkable for one person to be measuring 15,521 penises, so I was clarifying that this didn't happen.

 

[SimonDoom]

This is a very amusing subject. If you're a man, it's hard not to be a bit touchy about it.

And we haven't even delved into the subject of "showers versus growers."

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Out of interest, is there consensus on where a penis is measured from? I always assumed it was from the top of its base, making 6 inches a good amount, but I've heard some guys measure from underneath, making numbers bigger. I imagine opinions as to base of penis vs pubic area not part of penis may vary.

A colleague once mistyped his name looking for a paper, and found one where researchers had assessed about 1500 women's breasts for size, shape, density and resilience aka squeezability, to see if there was any correlation to cancer for anything other than size (bigger = more cells = more chance of a cell going rogue).

The women were mostly students in their 20s. Colleague sighed, wondering if he had chosen the wrong field...

 

[Rustyoznail]

Out of interest, is there consensus on where a penis is measured from? I always assumed it was from the top of its base, making 6 inches a good amount, but I've heard some guys measure from underneath, making numbers bigger. I imagine opinions as to base of penis vs pubic area not part of penis may vary.

From what the uni students have read, the recognised method is put a ruler on top of the penis and push hard into the public bone until you feel resistance, then measure to the tip.

My theory is that simulates the compression of the public area when a guy is banging hard in missionary.

 

[LongDraw]

Out of interest, is there consensus on where a penis is measured from? I always assumed it was from the top of its base, making 6 inches a good amount, but I've heard some guys measure from underneath, making numbers bigger. I imagine opinions as to base of penis vs pubic area not part of penis may vary.

A colleague once mistyped his name looking for a paper, and found one where researchers had assessed about 1500 women's breasts for size, shape, density and resilience aka squeezability, to see if there was any correlation to cancer for anything other than size (bigger = more cells = more chance of a cell going rogue).

The women were mostly students in their 20s. Colleague sighed, wondering if he had chosen the wrong field...

The first time I measured myself, I measured with a standard wooden 12" ruler against the pelvic bone on the top side of my penis as that provides the shortest measurement. I still had to use my thumb sideways to do the 13" measurement.

As for testicle size, that varies greatly during a man's life.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

It would seem to me that the 1%ers all gather in the porn industry or at sex clubs and in those showers you hang out in.

 

[MelissaBaby]

It would seem to me that the 1%ers all gather in the porn industry or at sex clubs and in those showers you hang out in.

I want to know where those shower rooms are.

 

[stickygirl]

No matter how big yours is, she has at least three in a drawer in her bedroom that are much bigger.

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Like these? The big one is called Mr Darcy who is around 1 1/4" diameter x too long and you don't have to use it ALL. ( this is not me )

Out of interest, is there consensus on where a penis is measured from?

From the tip of the erect glans to the centre of their fragile ego?

Writing size into a story is never going to end well, so avoid it - there are so many ways of not mentioning size and don't even start with metric v imperial.
The clever thing about willies is how their size goes from 'just got out of a freezing sea size' to 'crikey, gulp size'. Elasticity of the sex organs is amazing, but then evolution gave us what we have now.

 

[Rustyoznail]

Writing size into a story is never going to end well, so avoid it - there are so many ways of not mentioning size and don't even start with metric v imperial.
The clever thing about willies is how their size goes from 'just got out of a freezing sea size' to 'crikey, gulp size'. Elasticity of the sex organs is amazing, but then evolution gave us what we have now.

But, but... Size is the whole point of my story!

Taking your comment about elasticity, there's a video of a woman on a site that pushes a 13" double ended jelly completely inside her vagina. That's pretty amazing to watch.

 

[stickygirl]

But, but... Size is the whole point of my story!

Taking your comment about elasticity, there's a video of a woman on a site that pushes a 13" double ended jelly completely inside her vagina. That's pretty amazing to watch.

Oh pleeez Amazing doesn't mean we have to talk about it outside of an emergency room. I'm pretty sure men that do fisting end up incontinent and there's nothing clever about adult nappies Mr Rusty!

Oh wait... I forgot there's a Fetish thread