Pearl Harbor

[Weevil]

Well, I snuck off work today to see it. It, well, it wasn't my kind of of flick. Beautifully shot, well made but somewhat fluffy and wooden characters with unexceptional dialogue. They did, like Titanic, do a fantastic job of making a boat go under.

Still it doesn't have much on The Thin Red Line and SPR. I wonder if those two make me expect too much from a war movie? I haven't seen Tigerland but I hear it's pretty good.

Anyone else see it?

 

[KillerMuffin]

Not yet, but I really wanna. I love Michael Bey and Jerry Bruckheimer.

 

[April]

Nope, not yet. I want to, though. I heard that a lot of reviewers said it was only an okay movie. Nothing special. How long is it?

 

[Renegade]

Hoping to see it while I'm in Vegas this weekend, but I've heard mostly bad things about it. Every review I've read/heard sounds like yours, EBW. I'll be going in with low expectations, so that might help me enjoy it a little more.

 

[Weevil]

It was around 3 hours. Which I suppose could be argued is too long(By anyone who thinks the romance is pointless and detracts from the best part of the flick which are the Battle scenes.) but it is an easy movie to sit through I suppose.

Its one of those films that I'd recommend that you see because it'll be talked about(One letter in the T.O. Star today ripped it for being not Canadian enough or whatever)

 

[Renegade]

3 hours??? Damn. Not sure if I'll be able to have enough time this weekend to see it then. Theatres over there are usualy packed on the weekend for new movies.

 

[April]

Not being Canadian enough? What? Weird.

3 hours? Yikes. My butt hurts just thinking about sitting for that long! I like to watch movies at home cause I can get up and walk around about half way through.

 

[Weevil]

Just rent From Here to Eternity and relax

But as a side question of sorts would you feel a certain amount of Trepidation of making a movie about something that had already been dramatized so well?

 

[Weevil]

Not being Canadian enough? What? Weird.

3 hours? Yikes. My butt hurts just thinking about sitting for that long! I like to watch movies at home cause I can get up and walk around about half way through.

Everytime the US makes a movie about WW2 there are those idiot Canucks(Those who agree with Can Con laws, like the Monarchy) will write something about how the Yanks don't value our contribution to WW2. It doesn't make much sense but you should have seen the Newspapers after Saving Private Ryan.

 

[April]

I would think so. After all, what can you add to it? Not much. More likely to take something away from the impact. But not always. Take Private Ryan. That was a hell of a movie. And D-Day has been done to death. Umm, you know what I mean. Not to mention, the History Channel has said every word that can be said about the European side of the war.

EBW, don't they realize Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with Canada? Or did I miss something?

 

[Weevil]

Yeah, D-Day did though. I can't say I really agree with the argument but the thing is that if you watch 98% of flicks about WW2 you don't see anything about us. We got left out of most movies on D-Day, We got left out of that movie about Yalta despite King or Laurier(Or whoever was PM at the time) was there and what have you.

The Pearl Harbor thing is more saying, "Where are the big blockbusters about Dieppe?"

But as I said, I think that be stupid.

 

[Renegade]

Uh oh. He's getting political again.


j/k

 

[Weevil]

Oh no I'm not. I'm explaining other peoples politics. I have none. From now on my name is A-political EvilBollWeevil. I don't vote from now on and I don't watch the news. The only problem is that my new name leaves me with the Acronym APEBW which I like a lot because it starts with Ape

 

[April]

LOL

Forgive my ignorance, but what was Dieppe? And what movie about Yalta?

The way I see it is, the movies are made by Hollywood, and aimed at American audiences, and the lowest common denominator. I'd be kind of interested to hear more about the Canadian contributions. Maybe I should watch more History Channel?

 

[Weevil]

I really don't have a clue what Dieppe was. I failed grade 11 Canadian history but I think it was a failed mission into occupied France where there were heavy casualties but it paved the way for D-Day. As I said I don't know.

I forget what the name of the Yalta movie was (The Lion's something????) but it was an HBO movie that was pretty good. Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt but no whoever it was.

Once again I agree with you about the movie thing. If we want to get off our Back bacon filled asses and make a movie about us we could but we don't because we know it'd get killed at the box office by "Ernest gets Buried"

 

[Renegade]

It's kind of scary that the most successfull Canadian movie yet is still "Porkys".

 

[Weevil]

Yeah although we do kick out a few good ones every now and then.

 

[Renegade]

Yeah although we do kick out a few good ones every now and then.

Very true. The Cube kicked serious ass. Wish I could of seen that one in theatres.

 

[BlondGirl]

As far as the desire to see Pearl Harbor goes, I have none.
Every time I have went to see a film for the last few months, it was proceded by this l-o-n-g ass advertisement for this film. LLLLLLOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNGGGGGGG. It got old, really fast. The first 3 times I saw it, i was interrested. Now...I think I have probably seen the best parts of the film in the ads.

 

[alexander tzara]

Go see 'Charly's Angels' instead - it's silly, vacuous, pointless and barely a movie but it's got Cameron Diaz shaking her ass and Bill Murray being surreal: undoubtedly a more accurate portrayal of real life than 'Pearl Harbor', which, from the trailer, looks embarrassingly bad.

 

[Weird Harold]

I really don't have a clue what Dieppe was. I failed grade 11 Canadian history but I think it was a failed mission into occupied France where there were heavy casualties but it paved the way for D-Day. As I said I don't know.

There is an English film from the 50's(s) that details the raid on Dieppe France, and a more recent documentary available through the History Channel Store that is very informative.

Dieppe was intended as a probe against the Atlantic Wall, which if executed as originally planned would have been much less of a disaster. It failed in large part because critical air support was denied by "Bomber Harris," the head of the RAF, and the last minute withdrawal of English troops. A predominately Canadian assault force was either destroyed or captured because of gutless decisionsby, and rivalry within , the high command.

From what I've seen and read about the raid, it was definitely a case where orders should have been questioned because the force commander knew it was suicidal and would not accomplish even the limited aim of testing the Atlantic wall. There were no lessons learned that couldn't have been derived by a logical consideration of the infromation already available.

 

[Weird Harold]

As far as the desire to see Pearl Harbor goes, I have none.

Count me in with those who have no desire to see this movie. If I want to see a movie about Peral Harbor, I'll rent Tora, Tora, Tora -- A movie that is much more historically accurate than this new version is reported to be.

I've heard this version described as, "a badly made love story that just happens to occur when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor."

The telling criticism for me, was< "It's over two hours into the film before there is anything about the attack."

There doesn't seem to be any real exploration of the events leading up to the attack, and very little of the movie devoted to what went on during the attack either.

 

[Weird Harold]

Tonight on Hollywood Vs History

At 8:00 PM EDT/PDT, the History channel will present _Hollywood vs History: Pearl Harbor_

(From promos, this deals with the new release rahter than older versions.)

 

[Cheyenne]

Damn, I missed it! Will have to check if they will replay it on History.

 

[p_p_man]

Me too. No wish to see Pearl Harbour...

...but isn't it a love story with the Pearl Harbour attack as background? Big background but still background?