PDC

[CharleyH]

WOW its here at last! Go to it if you have not yet. Selfless promo. WildSweetOne is up for discussion. Cool and helpful idea. THANKS to The Poets for the venue.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Here is a link to the new sub-forum, and here is the first poem up for discussion: 21·Set·2005 · "Pay Up" · wildsweetone.

Everyone who leaves a critique in this first poem will be eligible to have his or her own poem up for discussion afterwards.

 

[WickedEve]

WOW its here at last! Go to it if you have not yet. Selfless promo. WildSweetOne is up for discussion. Cool and helpful idea. THANKS to The Poets for the venue.

Thank the girl genius, Lauren. She brings us many good things.
I think this new forum is going to be as successful as a screaming chair. (Everyone keeps commenting on my comment! I like screaming chairs! )

 

[wildsweetone]

i have to say, this is an incredibly invalueable experience. if you want your poetry workshopped then that's what you'll get in the PDC. every single person who critiques gives something of interest to the writer, and no matter how tiny the thought, it all counts.


it's excellent.





bribery Lauren? *wink*

 

[Lauren Hynde]

bribery Lauren? *wink*

. .

 

[wildsweetone]

you're so bad. wait until one of yours is over there. lol

 

[Liar]

Kwestion:

Can I post a thread in there? I wanted to discuss a thing or two (or just clarify so far, but I might want to discuss fer real later) that came up in the replys to WSO's poem. Discussion that doesn't exactly have anything to do with her poem. But I don't think we want to swamp those threads with subject gliding away from the original topic.

 

[Tzara]

Kwestion:

Can I post a thread in there? I wanted to discuss a thing or two (or just clarify so far, but I might want to discuss fer real later) that came up in the replys to WSO's poem. Discussion that doesn't exactly have anything to do with her poem. But I don't think we want to swamp those threads with subject gliding away from the original topic.

Opinion alert!

I would think that if the topic you want to discuss is relevant to the discussion ongoing about the poem, you could--in fact, should--post to the original thread. If it is irrelevant or off-topic (say, something like "so and so said xxx which makes me think of something else I'd like to talk about) then perhaps you would want to start a new thread and reference the source using the post tag.

Or perhaps (Lauren, anyone?) there is a way to spawn subthreads off the subthreads?

 

[wildsweetone]

liar, open the thread in PDC, if it needs moving Lauren will move it when she can.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Kwestion:

Can I post a thread in there? I wanted to discuss a thing or two (or just clarify so far, but I might want to discuss fer real later) that came up in the replys to WSO's poem. Discussion that doesn't exactly have anything to do with her poem. But I don't think we want to swamp those threads with subject gliding away from the original topic.

Hi, Liar-

I'm not sure. A discussion (about poetry) that doesn't have anything to do specifically to the poem at hand might still go well in that thread. If it grows out of proportion, I can always move it out or copy it to a new thread.

If you really want to start a new thread, though, it can happen in here as well, no? In the main Poetry Feedback & Discussion thread, that is. The connection wouldn't be lost...

 

[The Poets]

We just put a new poem up for discussion. Please check it out! 24·Set·2005 · "Janiece" · CharleyH

 

[Lauren Hynde]

We just put a new poem up for discussion. Please check it out! 24·Set·2005 · "Janiece" · CharleyH

Ahem!

 

[Tzara]

Ahem!

Yeah yeah yeah, Lauren, Charley.

Give me some time.

Still thinking about it.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Yeah yeah yeah, Lauren, Charley.

Give me some time.

Still thinking about it.

It was just a friendly reminder. But it seems like that one-poem-a-day goal wasn't very realistic, if people don't participate more...

 

[Tzara]

It was just a friendly reminder. But it seems like that one-poem-a-day goal wasn't very realistic, if people don't participate more...

Frankly, no it isn't. One poem a week is more like it, if "all" of us attempt to comment on every poem. Which may (I don't know--is there a backlog?) create a bottleneck for feedback.

Also, not all of us (I am speaking here for myself) are comfortable commenting on every poem. Charley's poem seems very personal, which makes me sensitive to what I may want to say about it. That complicates the process.

Ah, poetry.

 

[Guest]

It was just a friendly reminder. But it seems like that one-poem-a-day goal wasn't very realistic, if people don't participate more...

uh-oh

 

[wildsweetone]

Frankly, no it isn't. One poem a week is more like it, if "all" of us attempt to comment on every poem. Which may (I don't know--is there a backlog?) create a bottleneck for feedback.

Also, not all of us (I am speaking here for myself) are comfortable commenting on every poem. Charley's poem seems very personal, which makes me sensitive to what I may want to say about it. That complicates the process.

Ah, poetry.

Tzara,
my opinion...
1. you are commenting on the writing, not on the incident or the writer.

2. it's a simple matter to be respectful when critiquing work and it also can be simple to let a writer know you are not belittling the event by commenting on the writing.

3. Charley has said she wants to aim for publication for this poem. do your best by giving her some of your wonderful critique skills. you're usually spot on correct with what you point out.

have a nice rest of the day

 

[annaswirls]

It was just a friendly reminder. But it seems like that one-poem-a-day goal wasn't very realistic, if people don't participate more...

I think that it is incredibly difficult to post a critique of a poem so personal and emotional in nature with any sort of objectivity, especially if you "know" the poet.

I read the poem several times and shied away from commenting. But I will do so, just got home. I think the regularity of posting should remain flexible. With WSO's poem, by the time I got there, it was already whoa critiqued like crazy-- I did not think I had anything to add.

 

[wildsweetone]

in my opinion...

critiquing is best done first, without having read the critiques of others. that way you are more likely to add a spark that the author may need.

btw, you always have something interesting to say when you critique anna. never be shy.

flip, i am so opinionated today.
sorry.

 

[Guest]

I think that it is incredibly difficult to post a critique of a poem so personal and emotional in nature with any sort of objectivity, especially if you "know" the poet.

I read the poem several times and shied away from commenting. But I will do so, just got home. I think the regularity of posting should remain flexible. With WSO's poem, by the time I got there, it was already whoa critiqued like crazy-- I did not think I had anything to add.

I often feel that way too......that it's all been said and my remarks will just be repeating others. Ah - the price of living in the pacific time zone.



Or it could just be an excuse

 

[Tzara]

Tzara,
my opinion...

And a lovely and welcome opinion it is, my dear.

1. you are commenting on the writing, not on the incident or the writer.

Well, yes, but you should surely know, having had much more experience than I have here, that people can sometimes be sensitive about comments on their poems. However welcome I may be to comment, I remain sensitive to people's reactions to it. Perhaps clumsily sensitive, but sensitive nonetheless. For some people it's like: My only babies! O O O! Murder! Murder! For others, not so extreme. I don't think Charley is oversensitive. The sensitivity is me.

My original statement was merely to point out that I am hesitant to comment in any way negatively about a poem that may be personally deeply felt--in particular about losing a parent. My father just a week ago underwent aneurysm surgery that did not go well at first. He seems to be OK now. I tried to make some notes to write about it but it seems I am not a writer blessed with feeling--at least not a writer who can write about feeling. That makes critiquing a poem about feeling difficult. N'est pas?

2. it's a simple matter to be respectful when critiquing work and it also can be simple to let a writer know you are not belittling the event by commenting on the writing.

Well, I think it should be, but I think also it isn't always so. I strive to be dispassionate when I comment. I try and comment positively where justified and be gentle (or at least neutral) where I think there are problems. Theoretically, that should be easy as I don't really know what I'm doing. I think my problem here is that I perceive Charley's poem as personal and I would myself be very very sensitive to any comment on (my equivalent of) such personal feelings. I may be being oversensitive. I am still planning on commenting. Just taking time and being careful about it.

Which, of course means, when I finally do comment and sound like an insensitive idiot, it will mark me as an, well, insensitive idiot.

3. Charley has said she wants to aim for publication for this poem. do your best by giving her some of your wonderful critique skills. you're usually spot on correct with what you point out.

Thank you, dear, that's flattering, but I am not who she wants commenting on work for publication. Should she wish to publish in the Journal of Experimental Psychology circa 1975, perhaps, or IBM developerWorks currently (subject matter, though, very critical), hey I'd be the man. But I ain't the man on anything related to poetry. I do intend to comment on her poem. That was the point of my earlier post in response to Lauren. I despair, though, that I can actually be of much help.

I mean, geez. Semiotics?! C'mon, Charley! You're scaring me!

have a nice rest of the day

OK. You've shamed me into sitting down to try and read Charley's poem seriously. Again. And, yes, comment.

Effing Kiwis.

 

[wildsweetone]

you're not a callous insensitive cad. you can do it and you'll do just fine. i know it



sorry about being a kiwi.



not





1. if a person is sensitive about their poem, then they are not ready for straight talkin' critiques. i.e. they should not post and ask for the feedback. right? if you're still a little reluctant to talk straight, then put a little disclaimer at the beginning, i.e. this is my opinion on your written work only. or something to some such effect. you haven't come across to me as being insensitive in your forum posts.

i am so sorry to hear about your dad, but very glad he is doing better now.

2. see above. you're not an insensitive idiot. being careful and taking your time is generally something i wish i did more often.

3. i had to look up semiotics and still didn't get it. lol symbols was never my strong point. and when i've used them, no one has spotted them. lol



i'm going up to the other forum to see if you posted yet cos i wanna learn more.

have fun!

 

[Tzara]

you're not a callous insensitive cad.

I know. (sigh) It's always the Heathcliff guys that get the girls. (Oh, Fly, Fly, Fly you Heathcliff kinda guy. The washboard abs help too, I suppose. I guess those morning crunches do pay off, after all.) Us clever nerdy until lectual types are strictly wallflowers in the grand game of gameteopia.

you can do it and you'll do just fine. i know it

Well, it's your fault if I've hashed it up.

sorry about being a kiwi.

No, you're not.

not

See?

 

[wildsweetone]

see... i knew you'd do just fine.



wso
ps i bet heathcliff never had a shower while he was dressed...








roll up, roll up, check out Charley's poem in the PDC, you know you want to critique.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Well, that seems to have worked. Now we have a poetry discussion going on!