Paul Manafort, who once ran Trump campaign, told to surrender

[FakeNews]

WASHINGTON — Paul Manafort and his former business associate Rick Gates were told to surrender to federal authorities Monday morning, the first charges in a special counsel investigation, according to a person involved in the case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html

 

[Rightguide]

So, going back as far as they did, why did it require a special prosecutor to impanel a grand jury to get to the bottom of it now? Why wasn't it important enough for Holder or Lynch to go after?

 

[BBthrives]

Podesta did the same work

Will he be Manforted?

 

[ChinoMoreno]

So, going back as far as they did, why did it require a special prosecutor to impanel a grand jury to get to the bottom of it now?

We're not talking about Hillary's emails, Jack.

 

[dontbackdown]

So, going back as far as they did, why did it require a special prosecutor to impanel a grand jury to get to the bottom of it now? Why wasn't it important enough for Holder or Lynch to go after?

Actually it was. The investigation(s) began before Manafort joined the Trump campaign. After Trump received his first security briefing where the investigation was disclosed Trump accepted Manafort's resignation.

The Indictments of Manafort and Gates primarily revolve around money laundering. The details of the 'conspiracy' charge have yet to be revealed. Regardless, Manfort's ties to foreign political leaders are enough for the FBI to have gone before the FISA court so seek wire tap warrants and to unmask SOME contacts that he made. Making those contacts public is still a felony though. My point here being that the FBI really had no need to use the phony Trump dossier to go to the court. That is not to say that they didn't at some point, merely that in this case there was no need.

The nature of the indictments are such that no smoking 'collusion' gun is evident so far.

 

[Rightguide]

Actually it was. The investigation(s) began before Manafort joined the Trump campaign. After Trump received his first security briefing where the investigation was disclosed Trump accepted Manafort's resignation.

The Indictments of Manafort and Gates primarily revolve around money laundering. The details of the 'conspiracy' charge have yet to be revealed. Regardless, Manfort's ties to foreign political leaders are enough for the FBI to have gone before the FISA court so seek wire tap warrants and to unmask SOME contacts that he made. Making those contacts public is still a felony though. My point here being that the FBI really had no need to use the phony Trump dossier to go to the court. That is not to say that they didn't at some point, merely that in this case there was no need.

The nature of the indictments are such that no smoking 'collusion' gun is evident so far.

Yes but the timeline goes back to 2006. Why wasn't it pursued in subsequent years by Clement, Mukasey, Holder, and Lynch?

 

[daimoniotica]

Manafort has been investigated for exactly what he's now been indicted for:

Manafort’s suspicious financial transactions were first flagged by Treasury officials as far back as 2012 and forwarded to the FBI’s International Corruption Unit and the Department of Justice for further investigation in 2013 and 2014, a former Treasury official who worked on the matter told BuzzFeed News. The extent of Manafort’s suspicious transactions was so vast, said this former official, that law enforcement agents drafted a series of “intelligence reports” about Manafort’s financial dealings. Two law enforcement officials who worked on the case say that they found red flags in his banking records going back as far as 2004, and that the transactions in question totaled many millions of dollars.

It’s unknown what became of the FBI’s Manafort investigation; no charges were filed. An FBI spokesperson did not return emails and phone calls this week. One FBI agent who was actively involved in the investigation told BuzzFeed News it “lay dormant” for a while but was never closed.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopo...picious-wire?utm_term=.ybKxrxELvp#.iilDXDaArP

I'd offer a feasible reason the investigation was obviously iced back then was Manafort was directly working with The Podesta Group and President Obama's legal counsel at the time on the Ukraine stuff.

 

[Rightguide]

Manafort has been investigated for exactly what he's now been indicted for:



I'd offer a feasible reason the investigation was obviously iced back then was Manafort was directly working with The Podesta Group and President Obama's legal counsel at the time on the Ukraine stuff.

That makes sense and may be a harbinger for what might come.

 

[daimoniotica]

Going on 6 months now, if this old news completely unrelated to what his investigation was created to prosecute is what Mueller chose to lead-off with, then I'd guess Tony Podesta will be next, which obviously reinforces the thought that Mueller hasn't found anything indictable concerning the actual Trump-Russia deal, yet.

And considering the Steele Dossier and some Hillary partisan hack at Indiana University falsely claiming a server in Trump Tower was communicating with a bank in Russia are really the only supporting "evidence" against Trump so far, I'd say there's a sound chance this investigation will totally clear Trump of any ounce of collusion with Russia.

 

[richard_daily]

Actually it was. The investigation(s) began before Manafort joined the Trump campaign. After Trump received his first security briefing where the investigation was disclosed Trump accepted Manafort's resignation.

The Indictments of Manafort and Gates primarily revolve around money laundering. The details of the 'conspiracy' charge have yet to be revealed. Regardless, Manfort's ties to foreign political leaders are enough for the FBI to have gone before the FISA court so seek wire tap warrants and to unmask SOME contacts that he made. Making those contacts public is still a felony though. My point here being that the FBI really had no need to use the phony Trump dossier to go to the court. That is not to say that they didn't at some point, merely that in this case there was no need.

The nature of the indictments are such that no smoking 'collusion' gun is evident so far.

Did Laurel steal your signature?

She owns your balls.

 

[dontbackdown]

This is getting to be fascinating. Who's in the Podesta influence ring?

Ishmael

 

[Rightguide]

This is getting to be fascinating. Who's in the Podesta influence ring?

Ishmael

For openers, a plethora of Democrats and others.

 

[Wats_butthole]

For openers, a plethora of Democrats and others.

Are those "others" more repuglicans?

 

[daimoniotica]

This is getting to be fascinating. Who's in the Podesta influence ring?

Ishmael

The Podesta Group is a lobbying and public affairs firm based in Washington, D.C.. It was founded in 1988 by brothers John Podesta and Tony Podesta and has previously been known as Podesta Associates, podesta.com and PodestaMattoon.[1][2] John Podesta left the firm in 1993,[3] and Tony Podesta left the firm in October 2017.[4] The firm most recently reorganized in January 2007 after current Chairman Tony Podesta split with former business partner Dan Mattoon.[2]

Podesta Group represents U.S. corporations, as well as non-profits, associations and governments.[5] It "has close ties to the Democratic Party and the Obama administration"[6] although its CEO, Kimberley Fritts, was identified in 2015 by the group as "a fixture in Republican politics," having worked for former Florida Governor Jeb Bush.[7]

The firm reported earning $27.4 million in lobbying fees in 2011.[8] In 2007, Chairman Tony Podesta was ranked by his peers as the third most influential lobbyist in Washington.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_Group

Of course, brother John "left" the company to go to work for Bill Clinton as:

White House Staff Secretary: January 20, 1993 – June 30, 1995
White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations: January 20, 1997 – October 20, 1998
White House Chief of Staff: October 20, 1998 – January 20, 2001

He was Counselor to President Obama: January 1, 2014 – February 13, 2015

And, of course, he was Hillary's 2016 campaign boss.

John Podesta, under oath, recently testified to the Senate Intelligence Committee that he doesn't know who in the Clinton campaign (that he was the chairman of) or the DNC funded the Steele Dossier (possibly somewhere between $9-$14 million $$), while his personal attorney, Marc Elias of Perkins Coie, was sitting next to him...

Elias, of course, being the person now identified as the facilitator of retaining Fusion GPS to compile the Dossier paid for by both the Clinton campaign and the DNC, and maybe even Obama's OFA contributing since it is now on record as also paying Fusion GPS during the same period almost a million $$.

 

[dontbackdown]

Of course, brother John "left" the company to go to work for Bill Clinton as:

White House Staff Secretary: January 20, 1993 – June 30, 1995
White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations: January 20, 1997 – October 20, 1998
White House Chief of Staff: October 20, 1998 – January 20, 2001

He was Counselor to President Obama: January 1, 2014 – February 13, 2015

And, of course, he was Hillary's 2016 campaign boss.

John Podesta, under oath, recently testified to the Senate Intelligence Committee that he doesn't know who in the Clinton campaign (that he was the chairman of) or the DNC funded the Steele Dossier (possibly somewhere between $9-$14 million $$), while his personal attorney, Marc Elias of Perkins Coie, was sitting next to him...

Elias, of course, being the person now identified as the facilitator of retaining Fusion GPS to compile the Dossier paid for by both the Clinton campaign and the DNC, and maybe even Obama's OFA contributing since it is now on record as also paying Fusion GPS during the same period almost a million $$.

Tony Podesta has stepped down as head of the firm after finding himself a target of the Mueller investigation into Russian influence peddling/purchasing. It appears that his firm and Manafort were riding the same gravy train.

I wonder if the democrats thought that Mueller was only going to investigate republicans? Mueller's digging into the finances and communications of the Podesta firm has got to have a lot of people in DC sweating bullets.

 

[Hypoxia]

Mueller's digging into the finances and communications of the Podesta firm has got to have a lot of people in DC sweating bullets.

We'll just have to await the indictments, won't we?

I elsewhere posted a not-necessarily-credible list of possible sealed indictments. Among them was the Republican Party charged under RICO with taking Russian money. Nothing there about Dums being probed, but who knows? Life in USA will get interesting if both the Gup and Dum party structures are taken down.

Don't expect any Clinton to be jailed -- they've been impervious to a quarter-century of Gup investigations because hey, they're smart lawyers. Will the DNC or HRC's campaign be shown to have solicited foreign valuta? We'll see.

 

[dontbackdown]

We'll just have to await the indictments, won't we?

I elsewhere posted a not-necessarily-credible list of possible sealed indictments. Among them was the Republican Party charged under RICO with taking Russian money. Nothing there about Dums being probed, but who knows? Life in USA will get interesting if both the Gup and Dum party structures are taken down.

Don't expect any Clinton to be jailed -- they've been impervious to a quarter-century of Gup investigations because hey, they're smart lawyers. Will the DNC or HRC's campaign be shown to have solicited foreign valuta? We'll see.

Drain the swamp. It's well known that I've never been particularly fond of either parties elite. As far as I'm concerned both parties are frog marching the public off a cliff with the only differences being the exact direction and the rate of advance.

 

[Rotadom]

Drain the swamp. It's well known that I've never been particularly fond of either parties elite. As far as I'm concerned both parties are frog marching the public off a cliff with the only differences being the exact direction and the rate of advance.

How would any or all of your EIGHT posts tell us that

 

[dontbackdown]

Here's an opinion on the Manafort charges by a former prosecutor. Something the Col. can sink his teeth in perhaps.

Overcharged

 

[pointless]

you guys know we can google andrew c. mccarthy and quickly learn all about his clear and obvious bias, right? we're on the internet. it's really not that hard.