Pathetic

[Carnal_Flower]

If a new female writer in Incest wants a LOT of pity support votes and comments, all she has to do is say "Oh, this is my first time writing, be nice to me!" Then just watch the comments.
"I'm just a nice girl with dirty thoughts."
"Silly me, I'm not that good with grammar." But please read my story about being gang-banged at a Football party . . .
Aside from that, I have noticed male commenters in general being super-nice to first time female writers. That's about it.

 

[lovecraft68]

If a new female writer in Incest wants a LOT of pity support votes and comments, all she has to do is say "Oh, this is my first time writing, be nice to me!" Then just watch the comments.
"I'm just a nice girl with dirty thoughts."
"Silly me, I'm not that good with grammar." But please read my story about being gang-banged at a Football party . . .
Aside from that, I have noticed male commenters in general being super-nice to first time female writers. That's about it.

I've gotten feedback where they ask if I ever 'did my son'...I've always figured that if I ever started telling people I did my comments and favs would go through the roof.

There was an author here "kinkybibell" I think was the name, who constantly posted on her home page about how she had sex with her son and with her daughter and the father was screwing the daughter and she was lamenting the fact her son would not sleep with his little sister because he saw her as a kid

Her stories were so-so at best, but boy was she popular, she ended up leaving here, rumor is she was outed....I always hoped she was just blowing smoke.

Incest "literotica" style is fun, but when you start hearing the 'fans' start telling their personal stories it gets squicky

 

[Athalia]

I would feel bad if the only reason I got higher scores was because I was a woman. It's like playing the race card, really. I make no bones about writing from a feminine point of view, but it isn't in search of red "H"s, but because I'm more comfortable with that.

I will admit that the majority of people who comment to me privately on my stories are male, as far as I can tell. At least, they wish to be identified as such. A few of them make a point of it, saying "the story really got my dick hard" (although if that was intended to titillate me, it failed). A lot of male respondents also try to extend the dialog by asking for return mail or PMs or the like, mostly on other sites. I did respond to them for little while, in my first year here, but found that it wasn't worth the trouble. What almost all of them wanted was an extended dialogue, or role-playing, or things more intimate. No use getting people's hopes up when you can't follow through, and being a tease isn't my thing. So I haven't responded to comments in years, except to respond to questions about some element of the story itself.

Nor do I pretend that I understand men as well as men do. In fact, I've written exactly two stories in the male first-person, because I don't feel I could pull it off well. (Those stories are not on this site, so don't go looking for them.) I was very uncomfortable with them, but my editor, and later other readers, assured me that they worked as intended. All the same, I see no need to return to that well. I did it mostly just to see if I could.

 

[Darkniciad]

Anyone who believes "desperate horndog hunting for a cyber/Skype partner" doesn't play a role in scoring on stories from authors identifying as female is involved in some wishful thinking, I believe.

Add a sexy profile picture and perhaps some innuendo in the bio, and I'd say it goes beyond "a role" to "statistically significant" in a hurry.

 

[Katiecat]

Anyone who believes "desperate horndog hunting for a cyber/Skype partner" doesn't play a role in scoring on stories from authors identifying as female is involved in some wishful thinking, I believe.

Add a sexy profile picture and perhaps some innuendo in the bio, and I'd say it goes beyond "a role" to "statistically significant" in a hurry.

Except...all votes are anonymous. So how do you know what scores you receive from males vs. females?

Just for example, one story has about 161,000 views, and about 800 votes -- how would I know how many of those views and/or votes were from males vs females? For that matter, of those votes, I know what the overall average is, but how could I possibly know what scores I was getting from which gender? If men are giving me outstanding scores in exchange for cybersex, it's kind of a useless ploy because they certainly aren't telling me they are doing it and contacting me to collect the favor

 

[CyranoJ]

Yeah, I still honestly don't see why the cyber-desperate dudeocracy is being assumed to be taking this incredibly circuitous, unreliable route to gratification from Teh Laydeez en masse. If it was "statistically significant" I'd expect the statistics Bramblethorn cited earlier to be much different. It all still smells an awful lot like "Chix Can't Write and Need Them Some Pity Votes" to me.

 

[LadyVer]

Yeah, I still honestly don't see why the cyber-desperate dudeocracy is being assumed to be taking this incredibly circuitous, unreliable route to gratification from Teh Laydeez en masse. If it was "statistically significant" I'd expect the statistics Bramblethorn cited earlier to be much different. It all still smells an awful lot like "Chix Can't Write and Need Them Some Pity Votes" to me.

Could you rephrase that? Not sure what you're saying.

 

[LaRascasse]

I have a good author friend on Literotica (one of the very first friends I had on this site). Of late, she has become invisible here, but I do remember something she showed me a few years ago.

She has 2 profiles. Her "real" account is that of an intelligent writer. Her stories under this username are plot heavy and the sex is intense where present.

The alt account is purely for when she is in the mood for fun. It's made like she desperately wants some male attention. Everything from the profile pic, bio description and stories are sex, sex and only sex. She even proudly says on this account that she encourages readers to contact her.

And when we used to chat, she would show me the desperados who would email her complimenting her story and, when she responded, they would try to lead her down the cyber road. Some were more upfront with it and asked in their initial contact itself (all horribly misspelled, mind you).

The point being that both these accounts clearly say Female. That is where the similarity ends. I wouldn't have believed that both sets of stories were written by the same person unless I had seen it.

But they are...

While profile A has higher average scores and more well-thought out comments, profile B manages to punch way above its weight in terms of score and "you got my dick harder than Captain America's shield" comments.

The conclusion: Really well written stories will eventually rise to the top. Apart from that (the mid and lower scale of stories) are dominated by females who advertise themselves to be available (through their profile info or stories). Pathetic, but fact.

 

[LadyVer]

So, what would anyone's guess be on the gender stats for male and female authors writing strictly for hooking up? I'm thinking, and I could be wrong, that more males would tend to do this, and yet, I would also think serious writers are doing good to find the time to write. Hooking up via Lit is a time suck. Just musing here.

 

[LaRascasse]

So, what would anyone's guess be on the gender stats for male and female authors writing strictly for hooking up? I'm thinking, and I could be wrong, that more males would tend to do this, and yet, I would also think serious writers are doing good to find the time to write. Hooking up via Lit is a time suck. Just musing here.

Males doing it would get nowhere near the same swarm of horndogs females would.

 

[Darkniciad]

I crunched the numbers for an author ( who has since left the site for other reasons ) who tried exactly the sort of experiment I suggest.

Over the course of two weeks, everything in his back catalog went up by at least .03. His views were up by more than double over the previous month's average. His newest story shattered every record from previous postings. The emails were numerous and most of them were trying to lead him down the path to cyber sex.

The difference? Before he posted his new story, he changed his gender from "no answer" to "female" and put a cleavage pic on his profile.

I've also known female authors who took most of the info ( including gender ) off their profile to try to stop the creepy PMs and emails, only to see their numbers plummet. Some of them flipped the switch back, some of them didn't. Those who flipped the switch back saw a jump on the very next story they posted.

There are a lot of variables, and those could all be coincidence, but knowing how much effort guys will put into even a remote chance of virtual nookie, I don't think so.

 

[LadyVer]

Males doing it would get nowhere near the same swarm of horndogs females would.

I've had a few male authors contact me for editing, when they were really looking for something else. One was direct, which I appreciated later. When I told him I was only interested in editing, he was courteous. It was the other two that were harder to deal with. I can only guess they weren't serious about their writing, and yet couldn't be direct about it. And I'm guessing they were under the assumption everyone on an erotica site cybers, or doesn't have anything else going on.

 

[robertreams]

I am a male and a feminist

 

[slyc_willie]

Oh god, here we go. please explain how you'd do this.

Um . . . I did, already, in the post that you quoted. Did you miss that part?

I'd be willing to read a good romance. (No squirting involved, please).

Now, when have I included squirting in a Romance story?

Oh, wait . . . nevermind.

I think I've already been doing that for years.

What? You're a woman?

 

[Katiecat]

Yeah, I still honestly don't see why the cyber-desperate dudeocracy is being assumed to be taking this incredibly circuitous, unreliable route to gratification from Teh Laydeez en masse. If it was "statistically significant" I'd expect the statistics Bramblethorn cited earlier to be much different. It all still smells an awful lot like "Chix Can't Write and Need Them Some Pity Votes" to me.

Yes, it does seem that way, doesn't it? I agree, the stats provided by Bramblethorn were helpful and illuminating. Everyone will have their own opinions, I guess, and their own anecdotal information. I can only say, in my personal experience, I have never had a man comment or message me, "I see you are female, I gave your story five stars, let's have cybersex." Or however that awkward conversation might go...

It seems that some are saying the only way to get honest scores and feedback is to change my pen name to a male name, and start writing "like a guy". How exactly would I go about doing that -- describing my female characters by their bra sizes? But then I could be assured the scores and votes would be accurate.

Or, I can change my avatar to a cleavage close-up, preface my stories with, "Oooh, please be gentle with me, it's the first time I've ever written something like this, *giggle*" Then my scores will be utter BS, but I'll be quite popular.

Or, I can keep doing what I've been doing -- writing what I want, what inspires or amuses me, trying to improve my craft, and realizing the scores don't really matter.

I think I'll just stick with that.

 

[FantasyXY]

Maybe it's the Mohs Scale

Except...all votes are anonymous. So how do you know what scores you receive from males vs. females?

Just for example, one story has about 161,000 views, and about 800 votes -- how would I know how many of those views and/or votes were from males vs females? For that matter, of those votes, I know what the overall average is, but how could I possibly know what scores I was getting from which gender? If men are giving me outstanding scores in exchange for cybersex, it's kind of a useless ploy because they certainly aren't telling me they are doing it and contacting me to collect the favor

What you point out here about the anonymity of the votes is exactly what makes the men that vote this way so pathetic. The other thing that I am realizing is that the vast majority of the sausage fest here on Lit has no idea that they are doing this. It's not like they log onto Lit thinking they will just vote up some stories and the women will come crawling; who knows, maybe some do, but It seems to me that it's more along the lines of never burning a bridge that might need someday...

Or it could be that reading stories from a woman's POV are more of a turn-on for guys. Maybe their vote values are just a variation of the Mohs scale.

 

[lowphat]

Um . . . I did, already, in the post that you quoted. Did you miss that part?

No, all I read was that you could do it, but how do you prove you wrote it, and how do we read it without knowing you wrote it?

I mean all this talk about, "How do you really know who is male or female?" doesn't it sound logical to question something like this?

 

[slyc_willie]

No, all I read was that you could do it, but how do you prove you wrote it, and how do we read it without knowing you wrote it?

I mean all this talk about, "How do you really know who is male or female?" doesn't it sound logical to question something like this?

My original thinking was to post the story under a different profile, one that is identified as female, and not tell anyone it was posted until it's been up for a while. Through the comments and feedback, I'd get an idea of how convincingly I wrote. And then I would share the truth.

Ultimately, though, it sounds a little silly, not to mention a tad narcissistic. Not only that, but if I wrote under a female profile and did so convincingly, I could wind up pissing a bunch of people off just to prove a point.

 

[Katiecat]

What you point out here about the anonymity of the votes is exactly what makes the men that vote this way so pathetic. The other thing that I am realizing is that the vast majority of the sausage fest here on Lit has no idea that they are doing this. It's not like they log onto Lit thinking they will just vote up some stories and the women will come crawling; who knows, maybe some do, but It seems to me that it's more along the lines of never burning a bridge that might need someday...

Or it could be that reading stories from a woman's POV are more of a turn-on for guys. Maybe their vote values are just a variation of the Mohs scale.

Five of my stories feature dominant/strong females, three of my stories have lesbian characters. Most of my gender-identified comments are from females. You keep going back to an unproven assumption that it's men that are giving undeserved high scores to female writers. Maybe not many men are reading or voting on my stories at all -- maybe most of my readers/voters are female. Since no females have tried to chat me up for sex, maybe what I write just appeals to women more than men? It's a thought.

 

[lovecraft68]

Case in point

Or as Stan Lee would say back when he was running marvel

"Nuff said"

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=67258059#post67258059

 

[FantasyXY]

Five of my stories feature dominant/strong females, three of my stories have lesbian characters. Most of my gender-identified comments are from females. You keep going back to an unproven assumption that it's men that are giving undeserved high scores to female writers. Maybe not many men are reading or voting on my stories at all -- maybe most of my readers/voters are female. Since no females have tried to chat me up for sex, maybe what I write just appeals to women more than men? It's a thought.

I'm not saying, trying to say, or even implying that female authors are getting scores they don't deserve. What my premise has been all along is that maybe, just maybe, men subconsciously find stories written from a woman's POV more erotic than those written from a man's POV.

Thus most men are voting as an extension of the Mohs scale. FYI, the Mohs scale is used to measure hardness... Just in case you aren't a mineralogist.

So it's not about who wrote the story, male or female. And it really only has a little to do with the fact that it is in the female POV. I think, and yes this is my opinion, not fact; It has everything to do with how pathetic the vast majority of the male readers are on Lit. This isn't limited to Lit, as this basic pathetic behavior is happening all over the internet.

 

[sr71plt]

What my premise has been all along is that maybe, just maybe, men subconsciously find stories written from a woman's POV more erotic than those written from a man's POV.

And the answer, even though it apparently has to be said again and again, is that you are the only man you can speak for in that regard (if, of course, you are male. )--and that that is the best that anyone else can do as well.

I take it you're bored and have nothing better you could be doing(?)

 

[lovecraft68]

Five of my stories feature dominant/strong females, three of my stories have lesbian characters. Most of my gender-identified comments are from females. You keep going back to an unproven assumption that it's men that are giving undeserved high scores to female writers. Maybe not many men are reading or voting on my stories at all -- maybe most of my readers/voters are female. Since no females have tried to chat me up for sex, maybe what I write just appeals to women more than men? It's a thought.

I think that female authors-or men posing as them-that play up the female aspect will get more attention.

If a female author posts all her stories are real and posts here talking about her sex life and how she's horny all the time...acting like the sex crazed bimbo guys love to read about they'll be rewarded. Again I go back to the incest author bragging about how she always fucked her family.

 

[lovecraft68]

That thread I linked reminds me of when scouries was posting as Sarahhh and promising people a picture of his tit if they faved him....

And something tells me, it worked well

Of course not every one, but it is safe to say there is a not exactly small faction of men here that fit the name of this thread.

Act like they've never seen, spoken to or been near a woman in their life.

 

[lovecraft68]

I do believe that she is female, but I would laugh my ass off if it came out that Silkstockinglover was a guy.

9k plus favorites in about the amount of time I've been here and don't think for a second it has nothing to do with she is a woman writing mother/son stories as well s milf stories.

The simple minded male automatically assumes-or wants to think-she has banged her son and is a cougar in heat. I've never seen her post anything that states that which is why I say assumption, its what they want to believe.

She has over 2k more favs than Tx Tall Tales who has been here much longer and also writes a good amount of incest stories

But he's missing something, actually a pair of somethings.