Pat Robertson

[sweetnpetite]

There are basically two types of 'Christian' in the world (open for expansion when everyone jumps all over me).
1) this kind buys into the concept that anyone who accepts Christ as their Lord and master for any reason is saved. (the codicil goes with it: certain of this group only require that you accept their version of Christ; any other version of Christ doesn't count). With this kind, deeds don't matter, words do. The purest, kindest infidel in the world is damned to hell, even if she never even heard of Christ. But a saved Christian can get a blow job from a two-bit whore, call for the assasination of foreign leaders, and condemn whole communities of God-fearing people: it don't matter none, he's already saved.

2) This kind believes that being a Christian means following the words of Christ, most specifically: do underto others as you would have them do unto you; and judge not less ye be judged (there are probably a few others that I missed, but after all, I'm a stinkin' atheist). This kind of Christian doesn't need to be religious to be a Christian. With this kind of Christian, words don't matter, deeds do.

WEll, no, not really.

There are many in the first group who believe that being saved will produce 'good fruit' and recognize that if you don't produce good fruit then you are christian in name/word only. But they attribut this not to 'words matter' but the heart matters- and since only god knows the heart, only god will know for sure. You may think that they belong in the second group, but they don't. Because they do beleive, "NOt by works, lest any man should boast...."

There's a reason why people go to college for many years to learn theology. Becuase it's really never as simple as 'two kinds of christians' There are so many kinds of christians it would make your head spin. And plenty of them don't fall into either group 1 or 2.

 

[sweetnpetite]

evil=other

If you don't agree, please come up with a definition of evil that includedes yourself.

 

[sweetnpetite]

evil=other

If you don't agree, please come up with a definition of evil that includedes yourself.

somebody besides luc

 

[cloudy]

somebody besides luc

true evil only exists in fairy tales. Real people are a combination of things.

Read up on Hitler, on Himmel, on anyone else you choose, and you'll find that they are very HUMAN, and not completely evil at all.

 

[mcopado]

true evil only exists in fairy tales. Real people are a combination of things.

Read up on Hitler, on Himmel, on anyone else you choose, and you'll find that they are very HUMAN, and not completely evil at all.

Hitler doted on his dog and was really attached to a neice of his....

 

[thebullet]

There's a reason why people go to college for many years to learn theology. Becuase it's really never as simple as 'two kinds of christians'

It's never as simple as 'two kinds of anything'; but it helps to classify general groups like that. Otherwise my posts would be even longer and more boring than they already are.

There are two kinds of people in the world: people who think like me and everybody else.

For the purposes of the point I was trying to make, Sweetnpetite, 'two kinds of Christians' do just fine: type one believes redemption comes from words, type two believes that deeds supercede words.

This was not meant to be the definitive evaluation of Christianity in two or less paragraphs. Cut me some slack.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cloudy
true evil only exists in fairy tales. Real people are a combination of things.

Read up on Hitler, on Himmel, on anyone else you choose, and you'll find that they are very HUMAN, and not completely evil at all.

Hitler doted on his dog and was really attached to a neice of his....

"Evil" is probably something of an exaggeration for most people. "Good and bad" would probably fit better. To describe somebody as being good or as being bad, one would have to balance all the actions of that person's life. It wouldn't be as simple as it might sound. Doting on a dog or being fond of relatives would hardly offset causing the murder of 6,000,000 Jews.

 

[cloudy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cloudy
true evil only exists in fairy tales. Real people are a combination of things.

Read up on Hitler, on Himmel, on anyone else you choose, and you'll find that they are very HUMAN, and not completely evil at all.



"Evil" is probably something of an exaggeration for most people. "Good and bad" would probably fit better. To describe somebody as being good or as being bad, one would have to balance all the actions of that person's life. It wouldn't be as simple as it might sound. Doting on a dog or being fond of relatives would hardly offset causing the murder of 6,000,000 Jews.

I never said it did. I'll say it again, true evil only exists in fairy tales.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I never said it did. I'll say it again, true evil only exists in fairy tales.

I agree. I don't think any person has ever been absolutely bad and no person has ever been absolutely good. Everybody has good aspects and everybody has bad aspects. And, of course, "good and bad" are judgements. Hitler, and his accomplices, and even modern-day Nazis probably thought he was doing good by killing Jews, just as an exterminator might think he is doing good by killing rats or cockroachres. A member of PETA might look on the exterminator as being the same as Hitler.

By no means would I compare people with rats or cockroaches; I am just comparing ways of thinking.

 

[zeb1094]

You never met my ex-daughter-in-law.

 

[sweetnpetite]

true evil only exists in fairy tales. Real people are a combination of things.

Read up on Hitler, on Himmel, on anyone else you choose, and you'll find that they are very HUMAN, and not completely evil at all.

People will burn you at the stake for suggesting that Hitler is not completley evil. {or not evil}

 

[sweetnpetite]

It's never as simple as 'two kinds of anything'; but it helps to classify general groups like that. Otherwise my posts would be even longer and more boring than they already are.

There are two kinds of people in the world: people who think like me and everybody else.

For the purposes of the point I was trying to make, Sweetnpetite, 'two kinds of Christians' do just fine: type one believes redemption comes from words, type two believes that deeds supercede words.

This was not meant to be the definitive evaluation of Christianity in two or less paragraphs. Cut me some slack.

ok, but it seemed rather harsh on 'born again christains' -who are most protostants. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but it was how it came accross.

 

[sweetnpetite]

I agree. I don't think any person has ever been absolutely bad and no person has ever been absolutely good. Everybody has good aspects and everybody has bad aspects. And, of course, "good and bad" are judgements. Hitler, and his accomplices, and even modern-day Nazis probably thought he was doing good by killing Jews, just as an exterminator might think he is doing good by killing rats or cockroachres. A member of PETA might look on the exterminator as being the same as Hitler.

By no means would I compare people with rats or cockroaches; I am just comparing ways of thinking.

I get what your saying.