pain or pleasure?

[ammre]

There's this thing called suspension i've been horribly intrested in. Master dosne't like it but it's not exactly something that has to do with the bedroom (hence why this is in the cafe and not the talk) so he dons'et have total control of that part of my life.

Suspension started back withthe native plains indians. They'd stick hooks in their chest and hang by them untill their skin ripped as an offering of pain and themselves to their sun god.
Now a days it's a thing that you can find readily in the heavier modified culture. There's various ways to do it and most of the time you don't want the skin to rip like the indians did. If you've seen the movie "The cell" they had a picture of the man doing a suside suspension (he was facing down right? but that's sorta not accurate seeing as how you would need a partner to do that perticular suspension.)

The types are:
Coma- laying horizionally with hooks placed up and down the front of your body
superman- same as the coma except facing down with the hooks on the back of your body
suside- upright with 4 or 6 hooks placed along your upper back
chest- hooks placed in your chest like the suside.
lotus- sitting crosslegged, with hooks in your back and hooks on your thighs and calves holding your legs in a lotus position.

It sounds painful "Ew you're hanging by hooks pace in your skin, what are you a pice of meat" But really every account i've read mentions how there's enlightnemt and mental pleasure that follows.

I'm curious as to what this community's take on this activity is...

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[pierced_boy]

Serious stuff ammre

Looks like you have read some of the right places ie BME

Yes this is interesting and enticing to me though my partner would not consider it. It must be a very intense way of sharing something very primitive about yourself with others. I would love to do this.
I am attracked to ritual and would get an intense experience from any body mod ritual like branding, piercing, tattoo or cutting. Even solitary ( with a professional piercer of course) experiences with piercing are very intense, particuly big pierces over 30 mm or so.

Hope you get to live you dream ammre

best to you
H

 

[pierced_boy]

Pulling

There is a ritual called pulling too, not as intense or dangerous. Look this up too you maybe able to get mater to participate in this first.

H

 

[Netzach]

pulling...yes, ball dances where you can hang lemons and melons and stuff off the piercings and twirl to your hearts content till you hallucinate....

if I wanted to be suspended I'd work my way up through such baby steps, maybe. *g*

 

[Desdemona]

I've read about it and looked at the pics. I don't see it in my future. Good luck, though.

 

[FungiUg]

I like the idea of suspension devices -- swings and so on. An alternative for the faint hearted?

 

[catalina_francisco]

To my understanding suspension when referred to in a BDSM sense has been referring to suspending someone in a variety of ways via the use of harnesses, ropes, chains etc., not hooks through the skin. I have seen pics of it on some bizarre titled sites, but to my reasoning pics are and can be doctored. Such suspension, especially through soft skin of the back, if supporting the whole body weight without any additional ropes or chains to take the weight factor out of the equation, is going to tear similar to when someone grabs an earing in a fight and rips it out....flesh is very easily torn, and as such would have some nasty permanent scarring at the least. If an earring can be torn through flesh, doesn't it logically fit that to suspend the full weight of an adult body on a few hooks through skin only, not even flesh and muscle which are thicker, it is going to tear also.

And yes, I am aware of the Native American practice, but do you think your back skin, which has been protected most of your life by clothing etc., not to mention gender differences, is going to be equal in texture and endurance to a person who lived in a time when they were more often than not exposed to the elements, toughening the skn and flesh. It is your choice, but I dare say your Master is thinking first of your safety, and secondly of his desire to not have permanently damaged property.

 

[dragonlace]

when i hear suspension i think of japanese rope bondage suspension and the like. I have seen quite a few different sites on the subject and would like to delve into this form of suspension very much but it takes alot of time and patience as well as experience so we hopfully will start working with it in the future when we can devote some serious time to it. The thought of being played with while suspended is a great turn on for me and i hope we will find that it is truely pleasurable for us both. As for body mod type suspension....i don't think so....as much as i am into pain i do not think that is something i would ever like to try, it just does nothing for me.

 

[le_kinklet]

no it means blood,,, i don't play blood sports,,,, but that is just one of my hard limits, but if you like the idea,, like peirced boy said, go the pulling first. then the other, least you will have some idea of what your in for!!!!
~HuGs~

 

[Native Alien]

Suspension started back withthe native plains indians. They'd stick hooks in their chest and hang by them untill their skin ripped as an offering of pain and themselves to their sun god.

Actually as a sun dancer, this is not quite the truth. The tethers were inserted into the chest muscles and or the back muscles. They were not totally suspended but leaned backward/forward to put tension on the tethers. Some of the dancers today have had the rings surgerically implanted into the muscles.

 

[Zaudika]

The piercer/tattoo artist that I used in Seattle was very heavily into both piercing, and pulling.
I don't know how accurate it is to others descriptions, but pulling was having the hooks through muscle/skin, and the other end of the tethers is another person instead of a stationary object. Then you pull and lean away from each other.. slowly, gently.. it's supposed to be an amazing experience.
While I love the feel of piercing..... and want to do play piercing, and learn a lot about it,.. I don't think i could particularly handle the pain of suspension or pulling.
It has however always intrigued me... and it may be something in the right situation / mind frame that I would do one day.

I think what always shocked me the most about this man was he had books full of pictures of him doing the suspension and pulling to the point that the holes in his flesh were pretty big... but for the most part, aside from a few small marks.. he had no scars at all.

 

[Netzach]

There was a performance artist, is, actually, by the name of Stelarc.

In NYC of the early 80's --a far more interesting place than it is now -- this dude would have hooks inserted into the skin on his back and rappel along pulleys on ropes hung between buildings across the street from each other. A google on "stelarc" will probably take you to his webpage where he is working on robotic third arms as conceptual art, I think.

 

[WriterDom]

Hooks into skin makes about as much sense as a lit cherry bomb up your ass. But it's your kink.

 

[ammre]

Here is a FAQ (brought to you by BMEZINE)

A whole gallery of suspension and the prep for it (putting the hooks in etc...)


it's not really a kink... that's why it's more of a side thing i mentioned.. that i'd like to try... i figured i'd mention it here since many here are masochists in their own right... some people like to get flogged and they get pleasure form it.. some people stick hooks in their skin and feel a surreal euphoria for a week after... there's no B or D in their proper terms but you are Diciplining yourself and you are sorta in bondage considering if you're 3 feeet off the ground with hooks in yourself you kinda cna't jsut untie yourself and run off... there's no Domming but there is a certian form of submitting yourself to the feelings...

The human skin can not hole a person indefinatelly but it can hold them for a while.. the longest SINGLE HOOK suspension is only at 2 minuits right now... The more hooks you haev the less pressure on each hooks and the longer you can stay up... not only is there the problem of skin ripping over time but also the gague of the hook, you can't use some obcenely huge hook so you have to worry about the hook bending and warping... but most suspenions of 4 or more points can often stay up at least 30 minuits...
as mentioned there's also pulling... hookins in you and a partner or multiple partners all leaning against eachother... i knew a 5'3" 120lb girl who dragged a 6'2" 190lb man arround a room tht way and she loved it...

 

[cellis]

I think I probably understand your need for this experience... It is much like the rush you get when you pierce something or get a tatoo...

My son says it is the endorphins...

I wish you luck in this adventure...

 

[TwistaFate]

the native americans do that for ritual of manhood, a test of will and intensity, unless you can handle all that comes with it, i wouldn't advise do it