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piccicatopolka said:
My Nana (Great-Grandmother) used regular playing cards and my Noni (her daughter) taught me how since I was clearly curious. When I got a bit older Noni and I studied the Rider Deck in depth. she belonged to a group that would send large cards with line art and we would color all of the symbols to learn about them properly. There's a lot hidden in that set but i don't use them now. At the last event that I did readings for just a few weeks ago, the word got out. Which is what usually happens after a couple of people get wowed. And I explain that its not magic or being psychic at all. Its a hard hat to wear when you can feel people admire you or look at you deeply like you know more about them than you're letting on. My tips filled up and I was able to buy a couple of beers. It was a festival and I just had my cards on a beach towel; no booth or anything fancy. One lady went googoo over my shawl and I sold it to her. She was pretty damned surprised that I'd let it go so easy... but its just a thing and it made her very happy so...
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Do you know what that coloring thing was called? I'd love to have something like that- there's probably a kit or something on-line. That would be a really neat thing to do in this art program thing I'm in.
 
stephen55 said:
If the cards were dealt a year ago, of what use would the interpretation be today?
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Actually the inter-relation between the card positions and the dialogue between the reader and the querent have value at anytime, no matter when the cards were dealt. The symbolic synchronicity would be different; yes. It might give him insight into that time in the past or take a whole new course.

Card reading is a form of co-counsel which in my book is specifically demystified.
 
candicame said:
Do you know what that coloring thing was called? I'd love to have something like that- there's probably a kit or something on-line. That would be a really neat thing to do in this art program thing I'm in.
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http://www.religion-spirituality.org/bota/index.php

The cards were on fairly heavy stock and you could probably fit two on an 8.5 x 11 sheet, so they were big. It was the Case/Rider deck specifically for symbolic study when it came to coloring them in. We colored them in a certain order and I wasn't allowed to be creative.
 
Pagan is considered to be also "heathen" but that's not really the case. Standard modern religions like Catholicism judge those who are not "cultured" to be pagans/heathens. Most of us in this thread consider Paganism to be the religion of Nature.

The elements, the change of the seasons, the stars, life passages, animal symbolism, and ritual are all part of Paganism. But I wouldn't consider Native Americans "Pagan" per se' or any other specific regional Earth/Goddess based religion since they have their own name and symbols for their worship. Pagans are historically and generally European. You know... like Stonehenge and all that jazz. Pagans are white for the most part but its a broad meld now.

I am not WICCAN.
 
piccicatopolka said:
Pagan is considered to be also "heathen" but that's not really the case. Standard modern religions like Catholicism judge those who are not "cultured" to be pagans/heathens. Most of us in this thread consider Paganism to be the religion of Nature.

The elements, the change of the seasons, the stars, life passages, animal symbolism, and ritual are all part of Paganism. But I wouldn't consider Native Americans "Pagan" per se' or any other specific regional Earth/Goddess based religion since they have their own name and symbols for their worship. Pagans are historically and generally European. You know... like Stonehenge and all that jazz. Pagans are white for the most part but its a broad meld now.

I am not WICCAN.
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I know what is is I just did not know if it was recognized as an organized religion subject to tax exemptions. If so I'm moving back to the US and opening a Church. I'm gonna be the head Poohba. Bring on the virgins :rolleyes:
 
Very_Bad_Man said:
Is paganism considered a religion?
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piccicatopolka said:
Pagan is considered to be also "heathen" but that's not really the case. Standard modern religions like Catholicism judge those who are not "cultured" to be pagans/heathens. Most of us in this thread consider Paganism to be the religion of Nature.

The elements, the change of the seasons, the stars, life passages, animal symbolism, and ritual are all part of Paganism. But I wouldn't consider Native Americans "Pagan" per se' or any other specific regional Earth/Goddess based religion since they have their own name and symbols for their worship. Pagans are historically and generally European. You know... like Stonehenge and all that jazz. Pagans are white for the most part but its a broad meld now.

I am not WICCAN.
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I'm going to disagree somewhat based on my own viewpoints...

Paganism is a general term and not considered a religion but a spirituality. The definitions of pagan/heathen are people of the woods/people of the hearth. Those terms were accepted in the past as anyone not of the mainstream Xtian faith. Agreed, they were historically European because that is where they originated...

Now, wicce and it's many subsects are considered a valid religion (with the tax exempt staus that goes with it). Realize that Wicca/e is only as old as the man who began it. Gerald Gardner, and less than 100 years old. Certainly his basis for it was built on much, much older pagan ideas but Wicce as a "religion" only began when he formed his first group (circa 1950).

Paganism is an earth based spirituality, not a religion (to answer Very Bad Man), if you can even give it that name. Observation of the seasons, tides, solar and lunar events, life passages, flora and fauna is all anyone knew or could believe in and their lives depended on it.

It was just life...
 
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And remember this?

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Military Courts of Justice in the U.S. have also found Wicca to be a valid religion, deserving of protection under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. In United States v. Phillips, (42 M.J. 346) in 1995) the concurring opinion by Judge Wiss stated: "First, Wicca is a socially recognized religion. It is is acknowledged as such by the Army. See Dept. of the Army (DA) Pamphlet 165-13-1, Religious Requirements and Practices of Certain Selected Groups: A Handbook for Chaplains (April 1980), revising A Pamphlet 165-13, "Religious Requirements and Practices of Certain Selected Groups: A Handbook for Chaplains" (April 1978). Further, it is acknowledged as such in courts of law."
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This made it acceptable for members of the military to have a pentagram on their dog tags and their grave stone, as well as practice their religion.
 
It was a long fought battle. Although I thought it was much later, maybe 2007 or so, when pentagrams were paid for by the VA for headstones...
 
Well the friggen Army are retards and so is JAG

But don't druids worship trees? I was sure I saw a headline a while back that was giving religious tax exemptions status to a Wiccan Church or a Pagan Church or Satanic Church. Something along those lines. Not that I am equating Pagan or Wiccan with Satan. But if those Scientology weirdos can be tax exempt I don't see why others can't.
 
Very_Bad_Man said:
Well the friggen Army are retards and so is JAG

But don't druids worship trees? I was sure I saw a headline a while back that was giving religious tax exemptions status to a Wiccan Church or a Pagan Church or Satanic Church. Something along those lines. Not that I am equating Pagan or Wiccan with Satan. But if those Scientology weirdos can be tax exempt I don't see why others can't.
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I'm sure you did. Wicca being recognized now as a religion is now getting tax exemptions. Satanism too, is now a recognized religion. Though they have nothing to do with each other and I'm pretty sure that Satanism really has nothing to do with worshipping Satan either for that matter...
 
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The September equinox occurs at 09:04 (or 9:04am) Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) on September 23, 2011. It is also referred to as the autumnal or fall equinox in the northern hemisphere, as well as the spring or vernal equinox in the southern hemisphere (not to be confused with the March equinox). This is due to the seasonal contrasts between both hemispheres throughout the year.

The equinox will occur in the evening of September 22, 2010, for locations on US Eastern Daylight Time or further west. To find the September equinox date in other time zones or other years, please use the Seasons Calculator.

The sun crosses the celestial equator and moves southward in the northern hemisphere during the September equinox. The location on the earth where the sun is directly overhead at solar noon is known as the subsolar point. The subsolar point occurs on the equator during the September equinox and March equinox. At that time, the earth’s axis of rotation is perpendicular to the line connecting the centers of the earth and the sun. This is the time when many people believe that the earth experiences 12 hours of day and night. However, this is not exactly the case.

During the equinox, the length of night and day across the world is nearly, but not entirely, equal. This is because the day is slightly longer in places that are further away from the equator, and because the sun takes longer to rise and set in these locations. Furthermore, the sun takes longer to rise and set farther from the equator because it does not set straight down - it moves in a horizontal direction.

Moreover, there is an atmospheric refraction that causes the sun's disk to appear higher in the sky than it would if earth had no atmosphere. timeanddate.com has a more detailed explanation on this topic. timeanddate.com has more information on why day and night are not exactly of equal length during the equinoxes. :)
 
It's not difficult too tap in to the "orgone energy" or lifeforce, if you will.

Any time of day or year. It's ever present.
 
Very_Bad_Man said:
Well the friggen Army are retards and so is JAG

But don't druids worship trees? I was sure I saw a headline a while back that was giving religious tax exemptions status to a Wiccan Church or a Pagan Church or Satanic Church. Something along those lines. Not that I am equating Pagan or Wiccan with Satan. But if those Scientology weirdos can be tax exempt I don't see why others can't.
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Don't worry, satanists don't associate with Satan either. Most narcissistic religion ever.

Of all time.
 
Just posted this in another thread and figured I might as well put it here too. ~ Merry Meet

piccicatopolka said:
I'm a Traditional Pagan not Wiccan and use a Unitarian Church for times when "church" seems wise. One side of my family is Catholic and the other is American Christian. When the older relatives passed away the dedication to these religions faded considerably. I enjoy going to my mother's Christian church in Oregon when we visit.
I've been to Stonehenge and its actually smaller than you might think.

What my tradition is called is Shuvani. I'm an herbalist, a midwife assistant on occasion, and a card reader with regular playing cards; not Tarot cards. And I do get paid for my work though my elders claimed that this was not our family way.

Wicca is a modern Neo-Pagan creation and I refuse to be called a witch. My family origins are in Scotland/England and Ireland, as well as Sicilian Gypsy. Though I have enough percentage of blood to be registered and vote on Tribal issues with my Chickasaw Nation; I don't incorporate my Native American traditions into the work that I do. Of course, the four directions, change of seasons, and life passages are celebrated.
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Here's a pic from my camera. Fall harvest blessings be upon ye.

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/154973_172444656119796_100000627892462_427246_1566555_n.jpg
 
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I'm sure you did. Wicca being recognized now as a religion is now getting tax exemptions. Satanism too, is now a recognized religion. Though they have nothing to do with each other and I'm pretty sure that Satanism really has nothing to do with worshipping Satan either for that matter...
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"Satan" is really Satanists' pet-name for their own egos. Nothing in their doctrine suggests otherwise. I'm going by their website here.
 
I'll just put this here for flow but that's it as far as paste transfers go.

KingOrfeo said:
Wiki sez Shuvani means a Romani Gypsy herbal-healer wisewoman, which meets some cultural definitions of "magic" or "witchcraft" -- but it does not seem to mean "priestess." What are the elements of Gypsy pagan religion, as distinct from magic? What gods have the Roma traditionally believed in? I believe they originally came out of what is now India/Pakistan -- do they retain any elements of Hindu beliefs?

Also, in your professional opinion as a Shuvani, is it true that even a man who is pure at heart, and says his prayers by night, can become a wolf when the wolfsbane blooms, and the moon is full and bright?

::d&r::
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piccicatopolka said:
Herbs are food. Crystals are rocks. The Sun is a star. The Earth turns. Humans and animals evolve. Some of us are more evolved and sensitive than others. The book I'm about to have published is specifically on this history in regard to card turning with regular playing cards and why it's not magic. It may or may not be psychic depending on who's doing a reading. I opt to play this aspect down but admit to having some higher insight. Any person that claims to be ALL THAT as a form of superior ultimate authority is not wise and should not be fully trusted. Many Pagans end up being solitary practitioners due to ego conflicts when modern Pagans try to create larger groups.

A few years ago I was the MC at a large Pagan celebration in Golden Gate Park and it was amazing to see the variety of people it drew. Our Solstice circle had almost 200 people but I wasn't all that impressed with those who chose to lead. There were probably 1,000 people at the event overall many of whom were drawn by the bands that played.

My Sicilian family is in the Sinti faction of the Romani people. My great-grandmother and grandmother in San Francisco were the ones who introduced card fortunes to me as a child and then later I was formally trained by my grandmother in the the Rider-Waite tarot deck.

My herbal and childbirth skills were developed through training from others when I was a young adult. And I don't do "magical" herbalism in the form of spells; its traditional medicinal.

Those who know me well know how involved I am with the Roma community and its cultural preservation. The Rom language is based in Sanskrit but has evolved dramatically depending on the region the the Rom group settles. there is so much misinformation, prejudice and romanticism around the word Gypsy that I won't go into it here. I'm glad that you looked some of it up. Feel free to PM me if you wish.
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Samhain arrives

A Prayer for the Final Harvest

Corn has been shucked,
grain has been threshed,
herbs have been hung to dry.
Grapes have been pressed,
potatoes have been dug,
beans have been shelled and canned.
It is the harvest season,
and food is ready for winter.
We will eat, and we will live,
and we will be grateful.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_YZF8hY__8ck/TNSbwQ-sJjI/AAAAAAAAKE0/Tcar78fYMDk/cornucopeia.jpg

Blessed be the HORN of plenty ~ All Hail !

Feel free to EDIT the Wikipedia interwebs details :)

Classical mythology offers multiple explanations of the origin of the cornucopia. One of the best-known involves the birth and nurturance of the infant Zeus, who had to be hidden from his devouring father Cronus. In a cave on Mount Ida on the island of Crete, baby Zeus was cared for and protected by a number of divine attendants, including the goat Amalthea ("Nourishing Goddess"), who fed him with her milk. The suckling future king of the gods had unusual abilities and strength, and in playing with his nursemaid accidentally broke off one of her horns, which then had the divine power to provide unending nourishment, as the foster mother had to the god.

In another myth, the cornucopia was created when Heracles (Roman Hercules) wrestled with the river god Achelous and wrenched off one of his horns; river gods were sometimes depicted as horned.

The cornucopia became the attribute of several Greek and Roman deities, particularly those associated with the harvest, prosperity, or spiritual abundance, such as personifications of Earth (Gaia or Terra); the nymph Maia; and Fortuna, the goddess of luck, who had the power to grant prosperity. In Roman Imperial cult, abstract Roman deities who fostered peace (pax Romana) and prosperity were also depicted with a cornucopia, including Abundantia, "Abundance" personified, and Annona, goddess of the grain supply to the city of Rome. Pluto, the classical ruler of the underworld in the mystery religions, was a giver of agricultural, mineral and spiritual wealth, and in art often holds a cornucopia to distinguish him from the gloomier Hades, who holds a drinking horn instead.
 
piccicatopolka said:
A Prayer for the Final Harvest

Corn has been shucked,
grain has been threshed,
herbs have been hung to dry.
Grapes have been pressed,
potatoes have been dug,
beans have been shelled and canned.
It is the harvest season,
and food is ready for winter.
We will eat, and we will live,
and we will be grateful.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_YZF8hY__8ck/TNSbwQ-sJjI/AAAAAAAAKE0/Tcar78fYMDk/cornucopeia.jpg

Blessed be the HORN of plenty ~ All Hail !

Feel free to EDIT the Wikipedia interwebs details :)

Classical mythology offers multiple explanations of the origin of the cornucopia. One of the best-known involves the birth and nurturance of the infant Zeus, who had to be hidden from his devouring father Cronus. In a cave on Mount Ida on the island of Crete, baby Zeus was cared for and protected by a number of divine attendants, including the goat Amalthea ("Nourishing Goddess"), who fed him with her milk. The suckling future king of the gods had unusual abilities and strength, and in playing with his nursemaid accidentally broke off one of her horns, which then had the divine power to provide unending nourishment, as the foster mother had to the god.

In another myth, the cornucopia was created when Heracles (Roman Hercules) wrestled with the river god Achelous and wrenched off one of his horns; river gods were sometimes depicted as horned.

The cornucopia became the attribute of several Greek and Roman deities, particularly those associated with the harvest, prosperity, or spiritual abundance, such as personifications of Earth (Gaia or Terra); the nymph Maia; and Fortuna, the goddess of luck, who had the power to grant prosperity. In Roman Imperial cult, abstract Roman deities who fostered peace (pax Romana) and prosperity were also depicted with a cornucopia, including Abundantia, "Abundance" personified, and Annona, goddess of the grain supply to the city of Rome. Pluto, the classical ruler of the underworld in the mystery religions, was a giver of agricultural, mineral and spiritual wealth, and in art often holds a cornucopia to distinguish him from the gloomier Hades, who holds a drinking horn instead.
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I want Meade in my Horn.

Sweet euphoric meade.


Peace and light to you this Ruis Moon.
 
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