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[curious2c]

Hey Curious... You have no dumb questions, nor or your efforts inept ... I rejoice in your Beltane celebration!!
In the words of Dion Fortune, "It is the heart, not the tongue, that invokes"

Midsummer, as Litha, or The Summer Solstice, in the western Hemisphere this year is June 21st. It depends on the astronomical postion of the sun, not the man-made calender definition. Each year is different

But this brings up a good question...

In Shakespeare's "Midsummer Night's Dream" , when the couples awake from their dreamnights fantasy, the family finding them, refers jokingly to the celebration of Beltane rites...

So is Midsummer Litha or Beltane?

What little I have been able to find out...Midsummer or Summer Solstice is opposite Yule. Also, as Stonehenge is oriented towards the sunrise on the summer solstice it had some meaning to the ancient ones who built it.

I guess I need to find out how to celebrate it too. It signifies the shortening of days from that point on, headed towards the harvest then the dark time of the year.

"Midsummers Nights Dream" reference I think was the 'humor' of the times perhaps. Shakespere may have been just needing a...'good' reason for their behavior. Heh heh.

So much to learn...man, I wish I had started to learn this all a very long time ago.

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

So much to learn...man, I wish I had started to learn this all a very long time ago.

You did, at a gut level, but it will take some time to understand what you already knew and get back in touch with it.

So many people have gifts, but then they are trained not to use them. Women esp. They go into their house and feel something isn't right, or meet someone and feel "How creepy!" but they go on and walk into things or accept people that their instints warned them against.

Instinsts are, to my mind, our bodies useing all of it's senses. But since we are taught to be verbal and only listen to logic we can't explain why we feel the way we do and thus it's discounted because instinst only, really, communicates at a non-verbal level.

Does that make sense?

 

[Chantal Marchon]

Where I work there is a person who is a kind of minister of Christian faith. He has found out that I am interested and learning about paganism. I think he intends to 'save' me.

I have avoided a direct confrontation for the moment...but one will come I am sure. He just can't accept the fact that I think differently than he does. His first words to me...'you know...that is devil worship!'

My response: "Oh no! Really?!"

Bright Blessings PS.

Good Luck, the problem here is that too many Christians won't accept anything less than total compliance- assimilation -with their beliefs.
Having been raised as a Christian for the first half of my life, I can safely say that the church, as I came to know it, was very good at brain washing. Everyone must think exactly their way or they are condenmed to eternal damnation. What a loving god.

Of course, that is not to say that there aren't some very genuine Christians out there, willing to let others live as they cose. They're just a not as vocal as the bible thumpers.

--Soap Box--
They don't seem to get that insulting our belifes and our experiences is such an incredible turn off. that will only bring hostility out, instead of convince someone to convert.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I was raised a Christian, but I tend to listen to wisdom from all different religions. As far as I'm concerned, all faiths have some piece of the truth. In fact, if all put together, they might have most, or all of it.

I had one pagan woman as a lover. (And the remark I made about the spells, was a joke, it wasn't meant to be serious ) It's an experience I'd prefer to repeat, above most others that I can think of in life.

Then again, all the pagans/Wiccans I've met, were stunningly nice and sensual folks, men and women alike. There's gotta be some bad eggs in every group of people.

 

[Chantal Marchon]

Loving- I didn't say all Christians were narrow minded. Just a lot of them. I also didn't say that they weren't nice people. Many just don't take the time to understand pagan religions and condemn them out of hand. Especially in the area of the country were I live. I went to a pagan place of worship for awhile that was picketed and getting hate mail in the local newsletter.

People that don't even know me (like customers at a store I used to work at) come right out and ask what religion I am or what church I go to. -- I don't dress oddly and I don't wear my pagan jewelry except on rare occasions.

 

[curious2c]

Having been Christian raised in beliefs and all I can say that I was taught that Paganism, and Druidism, and of course, Wicca, were of the devil. Devil worshipping and negative have always been attached to these beliefs since I can remember. I guess it had to be that way in order to compell people to come to Christianity.

My wife read a book and has reccomended that I read it. It is a fiction, but the facts in it are presented as truth from history. The title is: The Da Vinci Code. by Dan Brown. In it he explains some of the history of the church and the reasons why things are the way they are in christian beliefs.

I hold nothing against Christianity. People have to believe in something...I however, after a lot of thought and study...well...I embrace Paganism, and further...I am leaning towards the Druidic Paganism. I think it has to do with my Scottish/Irish ancestory.

I believe that Paganism fits me far better than any other religion out there. I feel...as one with what I have learned so far. Closer to true belief than I ever was with Christianity.

 

[Image]

Because I'd rather this thread not disintegrate into a Xtian bashing forum I debated whether or not to post this... But it does give one something to think about...

I believe Christianity, as it exists today, is a far cry from what Jesus intended...

Anyway, this is not intended to stir up anything but an open discussion. Take from it what you will...


No single one of these reasons prove the Witchiness of Jesus; but taken as a whole, they make for a compelling case.

1. Jesus criticized the hypocrisy and legalism of the religious status quo, and chose to embrace an alternative spiritual path. Matthew 23:1-36. In Jesus' day, the religious establishment included the Pharisees and Sadducees, dominant factions in first century Judaism. Jesus' alternative path followed the radical teachings of his mentor, John the Baptist. Nowadays, in Europe and the Americas the status quo is mainly Christianity; the path of the Goddess -- Wicca -- is one of the most compelling of available spiritual alternatives. Many people who embrace Wicca have the exact same criticisms of Christianity that Jesus is said to have had about the religious establishment in his day. Hypocrisy, legalism, blind obedience of the rules to the point of ignoring spiritual values like love, trust, and freedom -- these are the problems Jesus attacked in the official religion in his day, and that many Wiccans today see in the religious status quo of our time. Perhaps Jesus, were he here today, would join Wiccans in criticizing mainstream religion and trying to find an alternative way.

2. Jesus was a psychic healer. Luke 6:19; John 9:1-12. Luke comments that "all in the crowd were trying to touch him, for power came out from him and healed all of them." And John recounts how Jesus made a magic healing paste by mixing his saliva with soil from our Mother, the Earth. For Jesus, healing was a central part of his spiritual identity. Witches, likewise, rely on herbal wisdom, natural foods, and psychic practices like reiki to bring healing and comfort to themselves and their loved ones. Sadly, the Christian religion rarely encourages its followers to take responsibility for their own healing, but rather colludes with a medical establishment that keeps people passive in regard to their own wellness. Jesus the healer has much more in common with Wiccan healers than with church-going "patients."

3. Jesus acknowledged the divinity within each person. John 10:34-36. All he was doing was quoting the Psalms, but Jesus emphasized it: "You are gods." Throughout the Bible, Jesus uses mystical language to illustrate the essential unity between humanity and divinity. How sad that the church founded in his name lost that sense of human divinity, and has instead stressed the "fallenness" and "separation" that keeps humanity alienated from the divine. Incidentally, this is an indirect affirmation of Goddess spirituality, as well -- for if we are gods, as Jesus quoting the scripture insists, then both men and women partake of the godly nature; implying therefore that God encompasses both the masculine and feminine dimension of life. So the "God" whom Jesus worships incorporates both the God and the Goddess as revered by Wiccans.

4. Jesus lived close to nature. Matthew 8:20; Mark 1:12-13; 3:13; Luke 4:42; John 18:1. Jesus took a vision quest in the wilderness; he loved to pray in the mountains, slept in gardens, and made a point of telling his followers that he had no house to live in. Frankly, it's hard to imagine him driving an SUV or worshiping in an air conditioned church. If Jesus were here today, I suspect he'd live in an ecologically sustainable intentional community, and he'd advocate a sacred duty to the Earth with the same zeal which which he advocated care for the poor and the downtrodden.

5. Jesus believed in magic. Matthew 7:7-11. Only he called it prayer. "How many of you, if your child asks for a fish, will give them a stone?" "If you ask for it in my name, it will be done." Church-goers often see magic as different from prayer, because prayer is timid and uncertain: "Not my will, but thine." By contrast, magic assumes that the Divine Spirit loves us and wants to bless us in accordance with our highest desires. When Jesus prayed, he prayed with confidence, not timidity. And he taught his followers to do the same. Nowadays, magic may have fancy window dressing (light this candle, recite this incantation, etc.) but it still comes down to the same thing: making a request for spiritual blessing. Jesus' vision of prayer is like Wicca's vision of magic: it's based on trust and love, unlike the prayer of church religion, which is based on fear, self-criticism and self-doubt.

6. Jesus could command the weather. Matthew 8:23-27. Witches have a long-standing reputation for being able to conjure up storms and otherwise control the weather. Jesus, like any accomplished weather-witch, possessed a similar set of skills. He did this both actively (like when he calmed the storm out in the Sea of Galilee) and indirectly (as he was dying, he caused darkness to reign in the middle of the day).

7. Jesus had a profound relationship with the elements. Matthew 14:22-26; Luke 3:16; Luke 8:22-25; John 9:6. Jesus could walk on water; he could command the wind; he baptized with fire, and he used the soil of the Earth to make healing pastes. His spirituality was primal and grounded in the power of the elements. Modern-day Christianity is abstract, sterile, and anti-septic -- it is a religion of books, words, and mental concepts. But Jesus, like most modern-day Wiccans, found vitality in the energies of the natural world.

8. Like a shaman, Jesus could channel spirits. Mark 9:2-8. One of the most profound stories in the Bible is that of the transfiguration, when Jesus conjured the spirits of Moses and Elijah. To his followers, this demonstrated Jesus' authority as a spiritual leader. Later on, Jesus tells his followers that they will do greater works than his (John 14:12); ironically, though, Christianity does not permit its followers to invoke or conjure spirits. But invocation of benevolent spirits has been a part of shamanic spirituality since the dawn of humankind, and modern-day Witches follow in this shamanistic tradition when they Draw Down the Moon and the Sun, calling the spirit of Goddess and God into their Circles.

9. Jesus was comfortable with sensuality and eroticism. Luke 7:36-50. One night, while dining at a respectable home, Jesus received a sensuous foot washing from a woman, who used oil and her hair to wipe the teacher's feet. The host and the other guests were scandalized, but Jesus saw it as a perfectly lovely expression of affection and hospitality. In fact, when comments were made to Jesus, he responded by saying basically, "What's your problem?" Alas, the religion that bears his name has evolved into an erotically-repressed spirituality, more like Jesus' uptight host than Jesus himself. Paganism and Wicca, meanwhile, are spiritual systems that celebrate sensuality, sexuality, and the basic goodness of pleasure. Jesus, who got criticized for being a pleasure lover himself (Matthew 11:19), would no doubt be at home in Wicca's celebration of the goodness of nature and the body.

10. In his own way, Jesus practiced the Wiccan Rede. Matthew 5:21-22; Matthew 22:33; John 8:32. The core ethical principle in Wicca is the Rede: "If you harm none, do what you will." There's two components to this teaching: non-harm, and freedom. It's a basic principle; you have spiritual freedom, but not to the point of harming your self or others. Compare this to several of Jesus' teachings. Matthew tells us that Jesus was so committed to the principle of non-harm that he regarded the intent to do violence as bad as violence itself. Meanwhile, John quotes Jesus as saying "Truth sets you free." But what is the truth that sets us free? The truth of love, trust, healing, and divine grace; in other words, the universal truths that can be found in any spiritual path. The opposite of harm is love. "Harm none" is another way of saying "Love your neighbor as yourself."

11. In his own way, Jesus advocated Perfect Love and Perfect Trust. Matthew 5:48; Luke 6:32-36; Luke 12:22-34. John quotes Jesus as saying "Do not let your hearts be troubled" and "love one another as I have loved you." Throughout the Gospels, Jesus says "Do not be afraid." He suggests his disciples "become like little children" -- in other words, be trusting and open-hearted. It's such a simple message, and today Wicca embodies the spirit of perfect love and trust; indeed, traditional covens require the phrase "Perfect Love and Perfect Trust" as a password to gain entry into circle. Christianity, meanwhile, preaches a message based on perfect anger and perfect fear: God is wrathful, and unless a person is fearfully obedient, he or she will be tortured for eternity. That's the opposite of what Jesus stood for. Love and trust leads to healing and liberation, whereas fear of judgment leads to depression and spiritual passivity.

12. His enemies accused Jesus of being under the influence of demons. John 8:48; John 10:20. It's an old tactic. When the people who have religious power want to dismiss their critics, they accuse the critics of being demonically possessed. That's what the Pharisees said about Jesus, and nowadays that's what the religious right says about Wicca. Jesus was someone who loved the average person on the street, but had little patience for religious bigotry and self-righteousness. No doubt Jesus would feel he has more in common with Wiccans than with the fundamentalists who attack them.

13. Jesus was killed, unfairly, for his "blasphemy." Mark 14:63-64. Thankfully, Wiccans nowadays don't get burned at the stake. But tens of thousands of people -- mostly women -- did get killed in Europe for the "crime" of Witchcraft. Even if these people weren't Witches, the fact remains: they were brutally murdered for religious reasons. Well -- so was Jesus. Modern day Wicca looks to the victims of the Witch burnings as heroes of the Goddess faith, just like Christians see in Jesus their own spiritual hero. Jesus, meanwhile, was the kind of man who would rather side against the killers and the executioners. Given the fact that, throughout history, far more Christians have killed Witches than vice versa, it's easy to see Jesus embracing the Goddess, working to heal her children, and calling those who bear his name to repent of their violence.

(This is an excerpt from a book "Embracing Jesus and The Goddess" by Carl McColman)

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

Thank you for posting that Image, it was very thought provoking. As a Christian Wiccan (please, no one tell me I can't be again!) I too have found that the Christain churches of today have fallen far from the path.

We were given the earth and were to guard it well. But yet you don't hear many peachers asking for their flock to support ecological measures or even to recycle. They say your reward for good works are in heaven, but they build themselves churches here on earth that look like palaces. At one place I visited they were selling exprsso in the lobby during services. The service? About Jesus driving the merchants from the temple!

The church I've found closestst to what I think a Christain church should be like is the Salvation Army. They do good works, they ask their people to do good works, and they aren't very concerned about what you look like etc, or even if you get "saved", they lead by example.

As it is I have my little discussion group and explore my own personal realtionship with God, because "Where ever two or more shall meet in My name, I shall be there."

How did I get on this soapbox?


Anyway - From Mother Theresa


Mother Teresa hung a copy of this poem on a wall of the orphanage she founded in Calcutta. Its source is unknown.

People are often unreasonable,
illogical and self-centered;
Forgive them anyway.

If you are kind,
People may accuse you
of selfish, ulterior motives;
Be Kind anyway.

If you are successful,
you will win some false friends and
some true enemies;
Succeed anyway. people may cheat you;
Be honest and frank anyway.

What you spend years building,
someone could destroy overnight;
Build anyway

If you find serenity and happiness,
they may be jealous;
Be happy anyway.

The good you do today,
people will often forget tomorrow;
Do good anyway.

Give the world the best you have,
and it may never be enough;
Give the world the best you've got anyway.

You see, in the final analysis.
it is between you and God;
It is never between you and them anyway.

 

[curious2c]

That poem forces me to remeber that I have a long ways to go.

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

We all do, sweets.

Being human we are flawed, and can only seek the answers, never really understand them.

Some people find that fustrating, seeking absoultes, I find that fun!

Never knowing where the story of my life and my realtionship with the earth and God will take me.

 

[Image]

That poem forces me to remeber that I have a long ways to go.

Your acknowledgment of that poem should show you that you are closer than you think... You cross paths with people for a reason

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Because I'd rather this thread not degenerate into a Xtian bashing forum I debated whether or not to post this... But it does give one something to think about...

Dang, where do I start in hopes of responding to this? Well the short of it is, I give ya two enthusiastic thumbs up on every possible point. I didn't see any of this as Christian bashing, myself.

Okay... about the issue of 'magic'... Christians approach it from a "cleric" point of view. Clerics draw their magic power from God. If God doesn't will it to be done, that magic will not happen. As far as I know, Wiccans call upon nature to make magic. I don't intend to mix the two together but I notice that the definition of a mage is someone who calls on nature to make magic.

Nothing could be more ironic than point #12 and #13. It was a commonly known historical fact that Christians were accused of consorting with demons, incest, and fell prey to all sorts of slanders, at the hands of the Romans. And it was unnerving to me that this was then done to 'witches'.

About the Wiccan Rede and the Christian Greatest Commandment... it would probably be pointless to know which one came first. The fact is, it is something both religions agree on. I am not entirely sure how far apart Wicca and root-level Christianity are, if that is the highest commandment in both faiths.

Anyone who cites Goddess worship as a difference between Wicca and Christianity, ought to travel to Mexico and discover what Catholicism means to them. Hint: "Cult of the _____ ____." (But don't say that to their faces.) Maybe that might be some food for though.

Oh, and as for being a Christian Wiccan, I haven't seen compelling proof that you can't be. The obvious proofs, as far as I have seen, have been debunked by facts I knew ten years ago (and which are being rehashed here).

(Why am I here? Well I just like hanging out and saying hi and maybe I'll learn something while looking for common ground? Heheh)

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

The Rede, as generally accepted, was actually written in the 1400's.

And the one thing all reglions tend to agree on is "Power comes from God" but the debate seems to start when one asks "What God" then "How to worship God" and "Who has access to that power, and how do they get it." After that it starts falling apart into what you have to do to get in good with the Powers That Be to get your soul into a nice place.

With the exception of some worship such as to Kali (the death goddess) the basic tenent is: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

How many times have I wanted to turn and quote this to someone and then begin telling them how they are going to hell because they aren't following their own prcepts of their faith?

After all, they did unto me frist!

*sigh* Oh well. Mustn't be childish.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

The Rede, as generally accepted, was actually written in the 1400's.

And the one thing all reglions tend to agree on is "Power comes from God" but the debate seems to start when one asks "What God" then "How to worship God" and "Who has access to that power, and how do they get it." After that it starts falling apart into what you have to do to get in good with the Powers That Be to get your soul into a nice place.

With the exception of some worship such as to Kali (the death goddess) the basic tenent is: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

How many times have I wanted to turn and quote this to someone and then begin telling them how they are going to hell because they aren't following their own prcepts of their faith?

After all, they did unto me frist!

*sigh* Oh well. Mustn't be childish.

I do not like to get bogged down with petty squabbles over "what God". That just sucks. (And not in a good way!)

As for Kali, now there is someone I've admired from a distance. People mistake Kali.. she's just part of a cycle. Renewal/Creation (Brahma), preservation/stagnation/status quo (Vishnu), chaos (Shiva?), and Death (Kali). Without Shiva and Kali you stagnate into oblivion. Ever seen the Neverending Story? I'd love to see that story done with a Hindu perspective.

And you can tell a hypocrite what they might have coming to them... with class, of course "Remember what Jesus said about..."? LOL

 

[Wolf_Song]

Shiva is known in some areas as the destroyer and Kali associated with creation. In how they interact with life and what they shared together as male and female deities often recorded as a couple. But as in all things misunderstandings and different interpretations lead to much debate.

Personally I would agree with the associations of Kali with creation from what looked at thus far. As each knows how often different religions and groups can misconstrue other similiar types based upon differing motives. And many patriarchal institutions have the recurring regretable habit of casting dispersions upon feminine archetypes of past and present.

To me the feminine and masculine is a part of every thing and every individual. When these aspects are balanced one is more spiritually themself. Even if they have preferences of same or multiple genders.. they are what meant to be.. themselves.

 

[curious2c]

I think it may all boil down to...balance. In all things there should be and usually is a balance that needs to be. Without that balance things get lopsided and then other things begin to happen...soon it is all messed up. As long as religion keeps a balance it remains something to follow...when certain individuals gain power or seek more power then the balance is upset causing the downturn of that said religion. Just a thought from a person who has been around the block a few times in religion.

 

[Mae13]

Just poking my head in to say hello to the other Pagan-minded folk in here It seems my relocation overseas and my work hours are keeping me longer and longer from perusing The Lit very often!
I hope you had a joyeous Beltane, I was fortunate enough to have some ripe oak to harvest for my altar this year, it comes out much earlier here than it did when I lived in S.Dak! Unfortunately, my path has returned to that of the solitary since moving here, although I still hope to find a group to work with again after being spoiled by such a wonderful circle in my last home. Actually, that brings a question to my mind that I'd like to toss out to you here, Have many of you gone through that transition and felt a bit of a disconnection? Sort of that 'uncentered' feeling that was mentioned earlier in the thread. I do truly miss that feeling of connectedness after working with people for a few years. *sigh*

Ah well, enough whining on my part! When it is time the circle will revolve to that again, I imagine. The learning and connecting with the L&L continues... May you all have a Blessed day!

 

[Image]

Just poking my head in to say hello to the other Pagan-minded folk in here It seems my relocation overseas and my work hours are keeping me longer and longer from perusing The Lit very often!
I hope you had a joyeous Beltane, I was fortunate enough to have some ripe oak to harvest for my altar this year, it comes out much earlier here than it did when I lived in S.Dak! Unfortunately, my path has returned to that of the solitary since moving here, although I still hope to find a group to work with again after being spoiled by such a wonderful circle in my last home. Actually, that brings a question to my mind that I'd like to toss out to you here, Have many of you gone through that transition and felt a bit of a disconnection? Sort of that 'uncentered' feeling that was mentioned earlier in the thread. I do truly miss that feeling of connectedness after working with people for a few years. *sigh*

Ah well, enough whining on my part! When it is time the circle will revolve to that again, I imagine. The learning and connecting with the L&L continues... May you all have a Blessed day!

Merry meet Mae!

Glad to have you here even if it is not as often as you'd like...

When I first moved away from my "witch family", yes, I really did miss the community, not so much connectedness, but the social aspects like gatherings and seasonal celebrations. It had not occured to me that I may not find that elsewhere.

It seemed a paradox... on one hand the beauty and splendor of these mountains (Blue Ridge) seemed a natural epicenter for pagans in general. They called to me for years... But they are also the hard core buckle of the bible belt. I surely didn't hide but realized I would be on a solitary path from here on out.

(I believe the mountains do want us here to care for them and slowly but surely the paradigm is shifting.. but that's another rant)

Now after all this time, I know that I prefer being solitary and guess what... without looking for it, the pagan population here is crawling!

We are finding eachother everywhere... and even though we all wish to remain solitaries we meet and share and circle together a lot.

So the gods sent you on a little side trip.... smile and enjoy it. You never know the reasoning behind their twisted sense of humor!

BB,
Image )0(

 

[curious2c]

Question...I have always thought my...astrological sign was Libra. In some literature I have read I now am seeing it may be virgo.

Damn...I knew I was born on a cusp, (Sept 23rd) , but now I am a bit...well...off balance. I am sure there is an answer out there...any ideas or information to share with this ol man?

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

It would help if you knew the exact place and time as well as date of your birth, then you would know which side of the cusp you fall on, your riseing sign, etc etc.

A lot of people think "What is my sun sign?" But what they don't realize is that all the signs come into play in one way or another.

Myself? Cappy with Scorip riseing and Sat descending...

Means I'm wicked smart about how to do something to get success for other people, but my own stuff

I'm also very sensual, but hard to win. My practical side keeps getting in the way, my do-gooder side wants best for the other person (which I can never quite get myself to belive I am) and my sensual side makes it worth it if they can steal my heart....coz I'm not giving it away.

I'm also a Tiger in Chinese Ast. and I find the two complement each other well. Give me pets, do it my way, and no one gets clawed.

 

[curious2c]

Place of birth? Ummm...how small of an area or do you need like lat. and long. ?

Heh...the rest is easy. 19/23/1957 7:03 a.m. MST

 

[Rhys]

Scorpio.

You probably couldn't tell

LOL!

 

[Cleopatra]

Scorpio.

You probably couldn't tell

LOL!

That reminds me. Sorry to hijack, but I need to know some of the typical characteristics of a Scorpio.

Anyone?

 

[curious2c]

That reminds me. Sorry to hijack, but I need to know some of the typical characteristics of a Scorpio.

Anyone?

Um here's this...

Scorpio Profile by Astronet

Scorpio is a Water element, and this makes it a somewhat enigmatic sign. Water is more receptive and introverted, but Scorpio is a Plutonian-power force. Perhaps that is why Scorpio is the sign capable of the greatest metamorphosis and renewal. If we think about it, we may look at a lake and see the interplay of light and shadows. Unless we explore further, we cannot tell just how deep it is -- or what is going on within. You'll find great love, feeling, desire and sensitivity when we probe the depths of mysterious Scorpio. A fixed nature makes Scorpio favor stability. Without some positive energy, Scorpio can go to extremes. The Scorpion may use his or her the strength to exert power over others. Love can become a stronger passion than even the Scorpio can handle, and possessiveness or jealousy can surface. Independence brings balance. The Scorpio with inner security can let partners explore and remain receptive to their needs


Got it from Yahoo horoscopes. Hope this helps Cleo.

 

[Cleopatra]

Got it from Yahoo horoscopes. Hope this helps Cleo.

Thank you! It does.