p_p man is this true?

[bored1]

Seems the English are looking at revising their immigration laws.In the new reforms the govt would be able to deport illegals and their children,even IF the children were born in England. The govt would also have the right to enter businesses without cause in order to find illegals. I thought the Brits were tolarant. p_p man is this indeed true?

 

[p_p_man]

Seems the English are looking at revising their immigration laws.In the new reforms the govt would be able to deport illegals and their children,even IF the children were born in England. The govt would also have the right to enter businesses without cause in order to find illegals. I thought the Brits were tolarant. p_p man is this indeed true?

I'm not sure about the exact details but immigrations laws are definitely being tightened up:

Immigrants will be required to pledge allegiance to the Queen.

Immigrants have to learn English

Immigrants will have to make a concerted effort to integrate into the British way of life.

Deporting the children of immigrants born in the UK doesn't sound right, but entering businesses to search for illegals does.

It's not a question of whether we're tolerant or not but whether we've been too tolerant in the past. The Government has admitted that they don't know exactly how many immigrants are in the country or where exactly they are.

The French have a refugee centre just across the channel near the tunnel. It's a nightly occurance that refugees try to walk to Britain along the Eurostar track or jump the Eurostar itself. On TV we see hundreds of them attempting to make the journey.

As the UK is a Welfare State and the immigrants are entitled to the same benefits as the rest of us the Government and the people are saying enough is enough. The pot is not bottomless. If immigrants haven't put anything into it they shouldn't be entitled to take anything out until their status has been clarified. There has been some recent changes in that direction.

There is a further problem with immigrants. Many of them come here from Central Europe and embark on a career of begging or criminal activity. It's the women who do the begging and they are usually clutching small babies to their hips and showing people a note, (written in English) about the poverty they are suffering.

So although I can't answer you for certain there is a general move to drastically tighten up.

Where did you see the specific points you mentioned?

I'd be interested in reading them.

 

[bored1]

I read it on YAHOO yesterday, I couldnt get the link to work so I posted the general comment. Believe it or not I agree with the reforms. There is no bottomless pit whether in England or America. Someone has to pay for these "free" services.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

Gotta go with the Peeper.......

.....on this one.

"As the UK is a Welfare State and the immigrants are entitled to the same benefits as the rest of us the Government and the people are saying enough is enough. The pot is not bottomless. If immigrants haven't put anything into it they shouldn't be entitled to take anything out until their status has been clarified. There has been some recent changes in that direction.

There is a further problem with immigrants. Many of them come here from Central Europe and embark on a career of begging or criminal activity. It's the women who do the begging and they are usually clutching small babies to their hips and showing people a note, (written in English) about the poverty they are suffering.

So although I can't answer you for certain there is a general move to drastically tighten up. "


The US is nearly the equal welfare state, and being abused the same way many liberal European countries are. I understand the frustration and believe all of us should start to be more restrictive. I'll help those who wish to come here and succeed, not those who wish to come here and live off my labors!

RhumbRunner

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: p_p man is this true?

I'm not sure about the exact details but immigrations laws are definitely being tightened up:

Immigrants will be required to pledge allegiance to the Queen.

Immigrants have to learn English

Immigrants will have to make a concerted effort to integrate into the British way of life.

Deporting the children of immigrants born in the UK doesn't sound right, but entering businesses to search for illegals does.

It's not a question of whether we're tolerant or not but whether we've been too tolerant in the past. The Government has admitted that they don't know exactly how many immigrants are in the country or where exactly they are.

The French have a refugee centre just across the channel near the tunnel. It's a nightly occurance that refugees try to walk to Britain along the Eurostar track or jump the Eurostar itself. On TV we see hundreds of them attempting to make the journey.

As the UK is a Welfare State and the immigrants are entitled to the same benefits as the rest of us the Government and the people are saying enough is enough. The pot is not bottomless. If immigrants haven't put anything into it they shouldn't be entitled to take anything out until their status has been clarified. There has been some recent changes in that direction.

There is a further problem with immigrants. Many of them come here from Central Europe and embark on a career of begging or criminal activity. It's the women who do the begging and they are usually clutching small babies to their hips and showing people a note, (written in English) about the poverty they are suffering.

So although I can't answer you for certain there is a general move to drastically tighten up.

Where did you see the specific points you mentioned?

I'd be interested in reading them.

Hmmmmmmmmm, so the rest of the world should wait until they're near the bottom of the pot until we kick the illegal bastards out?

The problem we're finding over here is that they are a lot like cockroaches. Easier to have kept out than to rid yourself of once infested.

Ishmael

 

[p_p_man]

An additional factor we have in the UK...

is that accepting immigrants from wherever for whatever reason and no questions asked has always been a political tradition. Even for such a small country as the UK.

Nobody has actually ever asked the electorate what we thought.

It's just a matter of the the politicians catching up with the real world...

 

[Ishmael]

Re: An additional factor we have in the UK...

is that accepting immigrants from wherever for whatever reason and no questions asked has always been a political tradition. Even for such a small country as the UK.

Nobody has actually ever asked the electorate what we thought.

It's just a matter of the the politicians catching up with the real world...

In our case, the pols did debate the issue and the public did have input. The pols just decided not to enforce the laws that they did pass.

Same problem, different reasons.

Ishmael

 

[sexy-girl]

i think england has benefited from having immigrants and i dont think its fair to totally close our doors

but the world is a different place now and cant just let everyone come here i guess so its good to try and find a balance

some of the campaigning though on this issue by the politicians in last election(especially torys) was close to racism and i would hate for our country to become like that

 

[p_p_man]

some of the campaigning though on this issue by the politicians in last election(especially torys) was close to racism and i would hate for our country to become like that

Exactly. Myself I have no problem with accepting as many immigrants as we can financialy afford.

What has not happened in the past is a strictly enforceable procedure to accept them into a system where their basic needs can be dealt with whilst their stories and backgrounds are checked. Camps seem to be the easiest method of keeping control over their numbers and their whereabouts, and before cries of 'civil rights' are heard, I'm talking about camps where they can be housed, fed, have medical facilities, education for their children and entertainment facilities.

I know we had the trouble recently over the immigrants causing trouble in a "fast track" detention centre and I suppose there will always be the few disgruntled souls for which the wheels of bureacracy turn too slowly. But in a camp situation they can be better controlled.

At least it will solve some of the Government's problem of not knowing how many are in the UK and where they all are.