Ownership Tattoos

[Killishandra]

You know guys, I can't find anything in the library relating specifically to ownership tattoos. I have every intention of having one done (eventually, when I am certain I have found a Dom for life,) but I don't know much about them in general. Does anyone in this forum have info or opinions on things like size, placement, symbols, etc? I would love to get one that is some sort of symbol or crest, perhaps incorporating initials. I'm also interested in the idea of my Dom having a _different_ but corresponding tattoo. Kind of like puzzle pieces that obviously go together if people were to look at both at once. Not necessarily interlocking, but similar enough that if Him and I were unconscious in a room people would be able to identify who is my Master by seeing how our tats obviously correlate.

As for placement, I like the back of the neck if something small, or the lower back if the tat is longer or incorporates a phrase of some sort. Both are very sensitive, erogenous zones on me, and the idea of having my ownership displayed there is just highly, highly erotic in my mind. Additionally, both places are easily covered by clothes when one is passing for ordinary in the nilla world. Since I do some modeling, I think the back of the neck would be the safest area for me in that respect (my hair would hide it) but I would leave the decision of placement ultimately up to my Dominate.

Also, any thoughts on whether ownership tattoos should look BDSM-related or whether they should be able to pass for ordinary?

I'll look up some sites on this subject when I get home from work, but I'd love to hear real-life experiences and thoughts from people on both side of the Dom/sub fence. Please comment even if you don't have one or would never get one. (Perhaps you can tell us why not.)

 

[catalina_francisco]

This Branding, Cutting..marks of possession is one thread where it is discussed in the course of marks. I know there are others which also discuss tattoos as symbols of ownership and many on the board who have such tattoos. Perhaps some will share their stories with you. For myself, at this point we have limited the ownership marking to cutting, but branding is planned, and perhaps a tattoo, though apart from my SRN or something individual and BDSM related, I am not overly keen on it....just a thing I have about tattoos which limits my desire to have one, especially of the variety you see everyday....like them on other people though.

Catalina

 

[Guest]

You know guys, I can't find anything in the library relating specifically to ownership tattoos. I have every intention of having one done (eventually, when I am certain I have found a Dom for life,) but I don't know much about them in general. Does anyone in this forum have info or opinions on things like size, placement, symbols, etc? I would love to get one that is some sort of symbol or crest, perhaps incorporating initials. I'm also interested in the idea of my Dom having a _different_ but corresponding tattoo. Kind of like puzzle pieces that obviously go together if people were to look at both at once. Not necessarily interlocking, but similar enough that if Him and I were unconscious in a room people would be able to identify who is my Master by seeing how our tats obviously correlate.

As for placement, I like the back of the neck if something small, or the lower back if the tat is longer or incorporates a phrase of some sort. Both are very sensitive, erogenous zones on me, and the idea of having my ownership displayed there is just highly, highly erotic in my mind. Additionally, both places are easily covered by clothes when one is passing for ordinary in the nilla world. Since I do some modeling, I think the back of the neck would be the safest area for me in that respect (my hair would hide it) but I would leave the decision of placement ultimately up to my Dominate.

Also, any thoughts on whether ownership tattoos should look BDSM-related or whether they should be able to pass for ordinary?

I'll look up some sites on this subject when I get home from work, but I'd love to hear real-life experiences and thoughts from people on both side of the Dom/sub fence. Please comment even if you don't have one or would never get one. (Perhaps you can tell us why not.)

You're not the only one thinking in that direction. We have discussed it for about half a year now .And I hit upon the "opposed but complementary" idea also.. But I have not really been able to find any decent examples online...

Perhaps a lock and a key?

As for position, I am rather fond of the hip... Right where my right hand will fall while I am making love to her in missionary position.
Also the idea is, that it will be covered by %98 of her clothes..But it will show if she is wearing a very short skirt.

Ekvitkar

P.S. Ordinary? Well, it's been done to death ..But the Kanji for both "Master" and "slave" are readily available. The symbol for slave is quite pretty..
Fitting, I think.

 

[Marquis]

I've given this some thought before as well.

I like the idea of branding an M on a close submissive, not only as an ownership mark, but because it's something I could apply myself.

As for an ownership tattoo, I would probably want my slave to wear some takeoff of my Chameleon tattoo with changes that alluded to her personality.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Perhaps a lock and a key?

sinn0cent1 has a padlock with the initial of her Master as the keyhole tattooed on the back of her neck....is very cool.

Catalina

 

[Killishandra]

I've given this some thought before as well.

I like the idea of branding an M on a close submissive, not only as an ownership mark, but because it's something I could apply myself.

As for an ownership tattoo, I would probably want my slave to wear some takeoff of my Chameleon tattoo with changes that alluded to her personality.

Just wondering - Does the M stand for "Marquis" or "Master"?

 

[serijules]

D and I have been discussing this for some time. Right now, our plans stand at having similar anklets...vines wrapped around the ankle and curved up into a heart supporting a garnet jewel. It's been sketched out and is quite pretty.

She has also expressed interest in having something done in kanji, which I love. I'd rather not share exactly what though

We've also talked about having certain things done in white chameleon ink. Once healed, it can only be seen under blacklight. (note: chameleon brand blacklight ink is THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE BRAND OUT THERE as of right now. Some artists offer blacklight ink that is not chameleon brand. Run. Fast.)

I'm not a fan of openly BDSM tattoos or initials and names. Life changes. Things happen. My opinion is that rather than be stuck with something that you run the risk of regretting, choose something that could apply to others or have other honest meanings to them even if situations should change. I got a tattoo on my ankle a few years ago that at the time, was done mostly in relation to something to my then-Domme...we have since parted ways, but the tattoo held other meanings for me as well and it was easy for me to discard the meaning it held at that time. I have no regrets about it at all, and still love it as much as the day I got it...just for different reasons.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Just wondering - Does the M stand for "Marquis" or "Master"?

Just a guess, but I think Marquis' first response to that question will be, "Yes."

 

[Marquis]

Just a guess, but I think Marquis' first response to that question will be, "Yes."

Yes.

 

[witcha]

Generally I like the idea..but as I'm panically afraid of needles(to the point of passing out during vaccination) we agreed we'll pass on that..tho S was joking he might have sth tattooed

 

[TaintedB]

One devil's advocate question, Killishandra,

If it's an "ownership" tattoo and the person having it put on you really owns you, do you think he's going to give you any say in the matter of what it is or where it goes or whether he gets one also?

 

[Netzach]

One devil's advocate question, Killishandra,

If it's an "ownership" tattoo and the person having it put on you really owns you, do you think he's going to give you any say in the matter of what it is or where it goes or whether he gets one also?

If he feels like it, yes.

 

[h_i_s]

sinn0cent1 has a padlock with the initial of her Master as the keyhole tattooed on the back of her neck....is very cool.

Catalina

Thanks, Catalina. i am quite pleased with it, as well as the fact that both He and i agree that the ownership tattoo He designed suits each of our tastes quite well.

Of course, i had no say in the matter (although my opinion was sought & appreciated), as the choice of placement and design were exclusively His, as we both agree it should be (for *us* that is).

i'm glad you find it to be 'cool' as well.

¸,ø¤º°sinn0cent°º¤ø,¸ proudly owned by, and devoted to INSIDEYOURMIND

P.S. We will be 'enhancing' His ownership of me with another 'act of symbolism' in a more legalized sense in less than four days from now.
We are being married !!!
... Monday evening, April 25th.
(In our home with our immediate family & closest friends. No fanfare. No frills. -- We don't want a 'fancy wedding'. We just want a MARRIAGE. )

 

[ammre]

Thanks, Catalina. i am quite pleased with it, as well as the fact that both He and i agree that the ownership tattoo He designed suits each of our tastes quite well.

Of course, i had no say in the matter (although my opinion was sought & appreciated), as the choice of placement and design were exclusively His, as we both agree it should be (for *us* that is).

i'm glad you find it to be 'cool' as well.

¸,ø¤º°sinn0cent°º¤ø,¸ proudly owned by, and devoted to INSIDEYOURMIND

P.S. We will be 'enhancing' His ownership of me with another 'act of symbolism' in a more legalized sense in less than four days from now.
We are being married !!!
... Monday evening, April 25th.
(In our home with our immediate family & closest friends. No fanfare. No frills. -- We don't want a 'fancy wedding'. We just want a MARRIAGE. )

CONGRADS!

As for me and tattoos... i have one that in general is a constant reminder of my submissive side. It's based off the design in a book that is tattooed on the main character, who was born marked by the god of punishment. She gets excited from pain. Unfortunatelly that means that whether she's being raped, playfully sexually bitten, or skinned alive in a war manner, she will still get aroused... but yeah. she's all about being really powerful and awesome, but yet being a total sub by nature too... my sig line is from that book. it looks warped because i'm leaning over
I don't think i could ever get a name tattooed on me, heaven forbid i were to split up with the partner... if you get a symbol or an image that represents it, then as you evolve and your relationship evolves the meaning will evolve.

 

[babiesmiles]

P.S. We will be 'enhancing' His ownership of me with another 'act of symbolism' in a more legalized sense in less than four days from now.
We are being married !!!
... Monday evening, April 25th.
(In our home with our immediate family & closest friends. No fanfare. No frills. -- We don't want a 'fancy wedding'. We just want a MARRIAGE. )

Congratulations !!

 

[Killishandra]

One devil's advocate question, Killishandra,

If it's an "ownership" tattoo and the person having it put on you really owns you, do you think he's going to give you any say in the matter of what it is or where it goes or whether he gets one also?

If he pulls rank of me, then yeah I guess he can do whatever he wants. But let's be realistic... Most Masters aren't going to put a tat on a sub if she hates the design.

And as for Him getting one as well, that's up to Him of course. He might already have one and choose for his sub to get something similar, like Marquis mentioned.

 

[Killishandra]

I might also add that getting a SLRN (Slave Register Number) like Catalina speaks of holds a fascination for me... I get a total erotic thrill at the thought of doing that. Unfortunately, I doubt I'll ever fulfill that fantasy, because although it turns me on sexually it turns me off mentally... I don't consider myself a slave, and I would be affronted in the end to actually have a number tattoed on me like that. I guess part of why I like it is because I'd hate it... It would be truely demeaning to me. LOL (Oh, and NO offense to people who want that tat, just different strokes for different folks, you know?)

 

[Marquis]

I might also add that getting a SLRN (Slave Register Number) like Catalina speaks of holds a fascination for me... I get a total erotic thrill at the thought of doing that. Unfortunately, I doubt I'll ever fulfill that fantasy, because although it turns me on sexually it turns me off mentally... I don't consider myself a slave, and I would be affronted in the end to actually have a number tattoed on me like that. I guess part of why I like it is because I'd hate it... It would be truely demeaning to me. LOL (Oh, and NO offense to people who want that tat, just different strokes for different folks, you know?)

How about a barcode?

 

[h_i_s]

babiesmiles & ammre:

Thaaaaaank youuuuuu ....... .

¸,ø¤º°sinn0cent°º¤ø,¸
... proudly owned by, and devoted to INSIDEYOURMIND

 

[TaintedB]

If he pulls rank of me, then yeah I guess he can do whatever he wants. But let's be realistic... Most Masters aren't going to put a tat on a sub if she hates the design.

To me, it's also realistic to ask, "what individual who wants to be enslaved with all her heart is going to hate the design or even placement of any mark her owner chooses for her?" For the right person, I'd be absolutely thrilled and proud to wear a tat of doggie doo-doo. My perspective, though, is, as it usualy is, informed by the "completely enslaved" point of view, so YMMV applies strongly here.

Aside to Netzach: It could happen, of course, but it's very hard for me to imagine someone wanting to put something as personal and symbolic as an ownership tat on their property and then not giving a fuck what the design was or even where it went. To me that's like saying that you really want a vanity plate for your car and then, in the end, not caring what the heck it said and telling the Motor Vehicles division to pick something out at random. Maybe that's just me projecting myself into the dominant role, however, not always the most accurate way to figure these things out. :/

 

[TaintedB]

How about a barcode?

This reminds me of a couple of things. First, I used to get silly photomanip porn from some celebrity-slave-rape site and the first thing they did to the celebs in the mocked-up photos was stick a barcode-with-number tat on a prominet place on their bodies, upper arm, usually. Secondly, I love the give-your-sub-a-number idea. Insex, a live-show bondage site, uses it very effectively: their models often are not referred to with fake girl names, they are 221b or something like that. It depersonalizes the model and makes the already extreme things they tend to do to her even hotter.

 

[Killishandra]

Nothing to do with tats.

To me, it's also realistic to ask, "what individual who wants to be enslaved with all her heart is going to hate the design or even placement of any mark her owner chooses for her?" For the right person, I'd be absolutely thrilled and proud to wear a tat of doggie doo-doo. My perspective, though, is, as it usualy is, informed by the "completely enslaved" point of view, so YMMV applies strongly here.

Aside to Netzach: It could happen, of course, but it's very hard for me to imagine someone wanting to put something as personal and symbolic as an ownership tat on their property and then not giving a fuck what the design was or even where it went. To me that's like saying that you really want a vanity plate for your car and then, in the end, not caring what the heck it said and telling the Motor Vehicles division to pick something out at random. Maybe that's just me projecting myself into the dominant role, however, not always the most accurate way to figure these things out. :/

=\ Admittedly, I have a hard time with the "completely enslaved" point of view. I think of myself as a potential submissive to the right man (who must be a truely amazing man) - but I never think of myself as a slave. It makes an excellent fantasy; and perhaps in the end I will become what is essentially a slave to Him. But I have a hard time with the word "slave" and the indications that holds for myself in my own mind.

To me, the word "slave" conjures up images of someone who is simply property, and everyone may look down upon them as such. They live to serve. I understand that not everyone uses this term in the way I think of it. I know, just as an example, that Catalina identifies herself as a slave. Catalina write very thoughtful and equalizing posts, and I hold her opinions in respect. I also have a hard time labeling her with the word "slave." I have a hard time understanding why _anyone_ would use that label on themselves... And yet many, many subs chose to. But since I'm still newly begun on my journey into BDSM I will try my best, always, to keep an open mind. I can certainly understand the erotic thrill of using the word during play sessions... Though even then I would have a hard time with it. Outside the bedroom, it would be even more difficult.

At this point in time, it seems more special for me to tell Him that I am His submissive and choose every day to willingly comply with His intructions. Though I may disagree with His choices, I still obey because I have chosen to always obey Him. And to me, that is more special and a closer bond than saying "I am your slave and am forced to do whatever you tell me because I am enslaved to you."

I have always been endowed with a kindly temperament, but I will be the first to admit that I am willful and always will be. Especially due to my upbringing, lineage, and spirituality I doubt I will ever identify myself as a slave. A slave has no choices, all are made by his/her Master. I have choice - and I choose to obey.

 

[esclave_PP]

Congratulations !!

WWWWWooooooooooHHHHHoooooo!!!!! congrats!!!!

 

[TaintedB]

=\ Admittedly, I have a hard time with the "completely enslaved" point of view. I think of myself as a potential submissive to the right man (who must be a truely amazing man) - but I never think of myself as a slave. It makes an excellent fantasy; and perhaps in the end I will become what is essentially a slave to Him. But I have a hard time with the word "slave" and the indications that holds for myself in my own mind.

To me, the word "slave" conjures up images of someone who is simply property, and everyone may look down upon them as such. They live to serve. I understand that not everyone uses this term in the way I think of it. I know, just as an example, that Catalina identifies herself as a slave. Catalina write very thoughtful and equalizing posts, and I hold her opinions in respect. I also have a hard time labeling her with the word "slave." I have a hard time understanding why _anyone_ would use that label on themselves... And yet many, many subs chose to. But since I'm still newly begun on my journey into BDSM I will try my best, always, to keep an open mind. I can certainly understand the erotic thrill of using the word during play sessions... Though even then I would have a hard time with it. Outside the bedroom, it would be even more difficult.

At this point in time, it seems more special for me to tell Him that I am His submissive and choose every day to willingly comply with His intructions. Though I may disagree with His choices, I still obey because I have chosen to always obey Him. And to me, that is more special and a closer bond than saying "I am your slave and am forced to do whatever you tell me because I am enslaved to you."

I have always been endowed with a kindly temperament, but I will be the first to admit that I am willful and always will be. Especially due to my upbringing, lineage, and spirituality I doubt I will ever identify myself as a slave. A slave has no choices, all are made by his/her Master. I have choice - and I choose to obey.

Don't mean at all to be trite to this thoughtful message, but yeah, absolutely, that's why I added the YMMV your milage may vary) acronym to the end of my paragraph about this.

I get tangled up in words sometimes, because I tend to take their meanings as absolutely literal, whether they are meant that way or not. To me, an "ownership mark" must be something put on you by your owner, else it would be called something different wouldn't it? (a rental mark? ). And logically, if a human is owned property then they are a slave. That's pure literal-think, and I recognize the problems associated with it, it's just such a part of the way I think that I can't always catch it before the fact.

Why would people look down upon you if you are owned property? I mean, I know they do and I know a great many of the reasons why they do, but very few of them are logical (most are slightly insane emotional reactionary responses dressed up in their finest Sunday logical clothes; they are what they are because "slavery" pushes huge buttons in an unfree culture in which people are totally brainwashed into thinking they are free--it hits rather close to home, in other words) and virtually all of them are based on an ignorance (of, at very least, your personal relationship) and a continuing desire to remain ignorant that is so profound that it is almost indescribable. That's why this term is often such a "hot" topic, even in places like this where you'd think this sort of thing would be fully accepted, in a tolerant "live and let live" kind of way.

In bdsm slavery simply just describes your relationship to one person and your personal lifestyle choices, it says nothing about who or what you are as a person. Now people may _assume_ it says lots about your personality, but people assume all sorts of crazy-ass shit, don't they?

One last comment: I am also an extremely willful person. In a clash of wills between most people, I almost always prevail, if I believe that my prevailing is the right thing to do. At very least there will be a stalemate because I do not back down in ordinary life to ordinary people, no matter how high they attempt to turn up the heat, when I decide it is essential I do not. Yet I lived as a slave for many, many years. Wilfullness has little to do with this stuff, except for the fact that in the long run a strong will makes you a much better slave. It's the depth of your desire to be a slave or not be one that is most important, I would think. Some people desire it, some do not. Both choices are fine--just individuals doing what feels or seems best for themselves.

 

[Killishandra]

Don't mean at all to be trite to this thoughtful message, but yeah, absolutely, that's why I added the YMMV your milage may vary) acronym to the end of my paragraph about this.

I get tangled up in words sometimes, because I tend to take their meanings as absolutely literal, whether they are meant that way or not. To me, an "ownership mark" must be something put on you by your owner, else it would be called something different wouldn't it? (a rental mark? ). And logically, if a human is owned property then they are a slave. That's pure literal-think, and I recognize the problems associated with it, it's just such a part of the way I think that I can't always catch it before the fact.

Why would people look down upon you if you are owned property? I mean, I know they do and I know a great many of the reasons why they do, but very few of them are logical (most are slightly insane emotional reactionary responses dressed up in their finest Sunday logical clothes; they are what they are because "slavery" pushes huge buttons in an unfree culture in which people are totally brainwashed into thinking they are free--it hits rather close to home, in other words) and virtually all of them are based on an ignorance (of, at very least, your personal relationship) and a continuing desire to remain ignorant that is so profound that it is almost indescribable. That's why this term is often such a "hot" topic, even in places like this where you'd think this sort of thing would be fully accepted, in a tolerant "live and let live" kind of way.

In bdsm slavery simply just describes your relationship to one person and your personal lifestyle choices, it says nothing about who or what you are as a person. Now people may _assume_ it says lots about your personality, but people assume all sorts of crazy-ass shit, don't they?

One last comment: I am also an extremely willful person. In a clash of wills between most people, I almost always prevail, if I believe that my prevailing is the right thing to do. At very least there will be a stalemate because I do not back down in ordinary life to ordinary people, no matter how high they attempt to turn up the heat, when I decide it is essential I do not. Yet I lived as a slave for many, many years. Wilfullness has little to do with this stuff, except for the fact that in the long run a strong will makes you a much better slave. It's the depth of your desire to be a slave or not be one that is most important, I would think. Some people desire it, some do not. Both choices are fine--just individuals doing what feels or seems best for themselves.

I'm still exploring how I view labels and roles and what they all mean for me... I always appreciate it when a Lit veteran takes the time to write me such a thoughful post (well, it's for everyone, but kind of directed at me huh) and yours gives me something to ponder before bed. Thanks TB.