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amicus

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The following quoted with permission from the internet Journal of a 15 year old girl.

In my eyes, an example of the ‘conveyor belt force feeding’ of a pliant student body by NEA Left Wing teachers.

My question to her: “If I can show you that all your assertions are false, would you accept it?”

Her reply: “But it is the truth! I know it!” Everybody knows it!”

Of course the discussion broke down along lines of: “There is no objective truth, no right or wrong; just opinion.”

But when I pointed out her absolutes, all of a sudden…there was truth, her truth…


I present this little example, not to change any minds of the ‘regular suspects’ who continually mouth the Liberal Mantra; but for those perhaps younger whose infection may be only slight and not terminal in terms of thinking.




“Things have been rather boring and mundane lately, save for Friday, when I gave my Biology presentation on Global Climate Change. It went VERY well, especially with McLaughlin, whom I sure enjoyed the "Anti-Bush" slant. It's quite striking, however, to go home and speak to someone (namely, Kyle. Hi, buddy!) who refuses to believe in a potentially life-threatening event that isn't going to happen in the future, because it's occurring right now. The evidence, off the top of my head, includes:

--Entire Taiga forests dying due to 30% warmer summers
--Glaciers on retreat on six continents
--Permafrost melting and turning swamp-like
--Sharp migration changes in plant/animal species
--Shifts in the timings of each season
--Heat strokes killing 1,200 in Greece in 1987, 700 in Chicago in 1995
--3-5% of the Arctic's ice cap melting
--The break-up of the world's largest ice shelf
--Tropical mosquitoes (carrying yellow fever and malaria) taking residence in parts of the U.S. and South America
--Rising sea levels
--70% of the ocean's zoo plankton gone, krill also on retreat
--A yearly temperature increase of almost a full degree Fahrenheit
--Increased UV radiation effects: cataracts, skin cancer, heat strokes in the young and elderly
--Increased respiratory disorders as our lungs become choked under polluted air. Asthma cases have been on the rise each year, becoming a little worse each time.

Again, off the top of my head, some of these "doom's day" consequences include:

--Europe's climate turning as cold and as dry as Siberia, with an average temperature of 6 degrees F.
--Bangladesh uninhabitable, due to rising sea levels
--Waves of boat-people migrating to places like the U.S., as they cannot inhabit their lands anymore. (This creates a domino effect, you see. The United States would, effectively, shut down their borders and struggle to retain diminishing energy, fresh water, and food supplies. As tensions between the globe's super powers, such as the U.S., China, Japan, and Russia are strained to the breaking point, nuclear war becomes more plausible each day. Raiding would be common place (it's human nature) and millions would die from war, disease, and famine, until our numbers were reduced to something the planet can sustain. And all because we're releasing a little bit of CO2 in the atmosphere with little care to the short-term consequences)
--Animals like walruses and polar bears becoming completely extinct by 2050
--Mega-droughts in the world's major breadbaskets, including America's Midwest
--Fresh water becoming less available
--The growing-climate moving as far north as Canada, where the soil is unsuitable and therefore, useless.”

~~~

Now I am sure all of you rabid anti-American, anti free market, Left Wing Liberal doom and gloom and henny penny’s will wet yourselves in glee. But perhaps a few will understand the true monstrosities posing as educators are truly a menace.

The amicable amicus….
 
This has diddley squat to do with climate change, but your post brought it to mind... I'm waiting for half of La Palma to slip into the Atlantic.

*splash*

Run, run for your lives!

They aren't monstrocities, just realists. Hard to face, isn't it?

Oh yeah, of course, my opinion doesn't count. I'm a lefty liberal AND English AND a woman. Bloody hell, I'm done for.

Mega-tsunami: Wave of Destruction

Lou

P.S. It truly is nice to see you, Amicus.
 
maybe you could pray for a favorable reincarnation? smiles...hello again...
 
amicus said:
maybe you could pray for a favorable reincarnation? smiles...hello again...

Bollocks to that! Once I'm dead, I'm dust.

*bats eyelashes*
 
i never had anything like that on the top of my head when i was 15.

Tatelou said:
Oh yeah, of course, my opinion doesn't count. I'm a lefty liberal AND English AND a woman. Bloody hell, I'm done for.

you seem like you're doing just fine to me;)
 
maggot420 said:
i never had anything like that on the top of my head when i was 15.



you seem like you're doing just fine to me;)

True. I had a bad perm.


Thank you. ;) :D :kiss:
 
Yes, Las Palmas, a one to three mile high Tsunami washing up on the good ole USA and elsewhere...add to that the 'Super Volcano" under Yellowstone, The countless number of 'earth crossing asteroids' yet undetected.

add in thebullets 'changing course or reversal of the Gulf Stream' and a nuclear winter....

So far the Liberals have not yet blamed we Capitalists for Asteroids and Volcano's but you can bet your sweet ass they would ifin they could.

cheers!

amicus...
 
Amicus: Just out of interest - are you saying that you don't think global warming exists, you don't think it's a problem, you don't think it's America's problem or do you hold another opinion?

The Earl
 
In all seriousness this old global warming debate makes me laugh.

Of course there's climate change.

Of course there's many species of plants and animals heading for extinction.

Of course sea levels are rising in some places, and perhaps falling in others.

Of course there's changes in the whole of nature.

We are due an ice age soon, btw.

My point? It's been going on for millennia, why should it change now, just because mankind is around to record the data?

The Earth is still a very young planet, it's shifting and changing constantly.

Those poor saps, the dinosaurs thought they ruled it for a while, and those dozey bastards brought an asteroid on themselves. Who's to say the Capitalists in the US won't do the same thing?

SPOT THE FACETIOUS REMARK!

Ok, back to being serious... the real question and debate shouldn't be whether or not this is all actually happening (because, clearly, it is), but whether or not the actions of us lot (i.e. humans, as a species) are causing some of these things to happen - or at least accelerate and/or change what nature would do on its own.

Personally, I can't wait for the spiders to take over. Smart buggers, they are.

Lou
 
TheEarl....hello... quite similar to the forum debate on Depleted Uranium, there is no scientific evidence that the activities of man have influenced global climate.

It is once again, the political province of those who are anti business and anti industry that wish to limit growth and expansion under any guise.

There is, as Lou said, continual climate change and although another ice age 'may' return, it has not been proven to by cyclical and if so, is not due for perhaps another 30,000 years, with the exception of perhaps another mini ice age that occured a few hundred years ago.

It truly is a fascinating study if one can but leave politics out of it.

thank you...

amicus....
 
Tatelou said:
My point? It's been going on for millennia, why should it change now, just because mankind is around to record the data?
Just to set the record straight: Yes, it has been going on for millions of years. And the climate changes in the past has been much much bigger than the ones that some are fretting about now. Northern Europe has since the last ice age for instance gone from freezing solid to sub-tropic and now it's somewhere in between.

So why the environmentalist panic? Not because the temperature fluctuations are very big, but because they are very fast. The last century, especially the last 50 years, temperature gauges have been dancing the boogie between slightly cold and slightly warm like never before in the history of the planet. Last 20 years with a slight tendency towards the warmer end.

Now, if that actually is a problem, a symptom of a problem, or nothing to be concerned with, nobody knows for sure. But the only constant that have changed, and thus the thing causing it, has been human inteference. It is different, and we're pretty ignorant if we don't take that seriously.

#L
 
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Well, although I am with you on the Earth constantly changing temperature, do you agree that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas (as in one of the gases that is part of the greenhouse layer)? If so, then making as much of it as we can without reservation has to be a bad thing. Climate change may occur without any human intervention, but do we really want to speed up the latest swing? It may not be experimental physical evidence, but it's chemical evidence. It's a chemical property of CO2 to act as a greenhouse gas and the thicker the greenhouse layer, the more sunlight reflects within the greenhouse.

the issue is densely interlinked with other ecological factors. You cannot consider global warming without talking about such things as sulphur dioxide poisoning, which leads to acid rain and defoliation. These are byproducts of the same industrial reactions that have an effect on climate change.

Climate change will happen, no matter what we do. However, speeding it with greenhouse gases and severely damaging the ecosystem with chemicals and toxins doesn't help much.

The Earl
 
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Amicus, what are you doing reading the internet journal of a fifteen year-old girl anyhow?
 
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amicus said:
So far the Liberals have not yet blamed we Capitalists for Asteroids and Volcano's but you can bet your sweet ass they would ifin they could.

cheers!

amicus...

It's funny... I was just thinking that the Conservatives haven't blamed it on the Terrorists, Gays, Jews, Blacks or anyone else besides straight, white christians yet.

cheers!

CD
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Amicus, what are you doing reading the internet journal of a fifteen year-old girl anyhow?

You know, I'm glad someone else thought that the significant issue here.
 
BlackShanglan said:
You know, I'm glad someone else thought that the significant issue here.
Hey, I do that all....

..um...

...never mind.
 
Ah, dr. mab, the not so subtle insinuation of pedophilia does not become you and I do have a not small admiration for your writings and your posts. The others can just kiss my ass.

theEarl...water vapor is more significant than carbon dioxide, or so I discovered in searching the many files online about global warming, causes and effects.

Many factors bring about global climate changes, vulcanism and pre historic forest and grassland fires the loaded the atmosphere and filtered sunlight.

There is also sunspot activity, also unknown, but thought to by cyclical until a few years ago when an anomaly broke the pattern. And the 23.5 degreee axis tilt of the planet, this is 'thought' to have changed several times in earth's history. And one must include the 'wobble' in the earth's rotation, also known, but not fully understood.

Several general points here...Only in the last half century has the science of man been sufficiently astute to become aware of the 'existence level events' that may confront mankind in the future.

Scientists, and others, have used that knowledge in many way, some good, some not so good.

Hollywood, the film making capitol of the world, is widely known to be extremely 'liberal' in general, in terms of the portrayal of science and social events. The examples run into the hundreds, as many know, but just this evening, "The Day After Tomorrow" just about summed up the imposition of liberal viewpoints on the general public.

The film industry guided by that Liberal mentality, continually promotes the demise of the United States as a result of our greed and insensitivity to global events. It continues to push gay and lesbian issues, continues to advocate interracial relationships, perjorative films that are anti religious, anti individual rights, gun ownership, smoking, alcohol consumption...in other words, most films have a political agenda imbedded within the 'b' rated entertainment, except when it degrades to 'adult' and 'X rated' films.

It has reached a point, admit it or not, where some, of your mentality, Dr. Mab, must surely be embarrassed at the transparency of the 'Michael Moore' type docudrama that passes as entertainment.

To retain the thread, there is no solid evidence that the activities of mankind over the past three centuries of the industrial era, have had any effect on global climate.

It is impossible to put a 'word' to the motivations of those who wish mankind to return to a pastoral existence and forego the modern era. Ayn Rand coined the phrase, "the anti-industrial advocates" I suppose than can suffice for the time being and if you wish to learn of her philosophical and psychological foundations for that statement, I suggest you read her works. It won't kill you. I promise.

amicus...
 
amicus said:
Ah, dr. mab, the not so subtle insinuation of pedophilia does not become you and I do have a not small admiration for your writings and your posts. The others can just kiss my ass.

Is it one of the little Spanish burro sort, or the large Missouri mule-studding variety? Much depends upon this answer.

Personally, I was actually thinking not so much of pedophilia but of the likelihood of getting much challenge out of the argument.

Shanglan
 
When you're talking about greenhouse gases don't forget methane, one of the worst by the way. What industry do you blame for releasing the most methane? The cattle industry... believe it or not... Good old cow farts....so eat more beef Now the vegetarians have a point up...
 
Nice point txrad...but the bermuda triangle and underwater releases of methane have surpassed bovine flatulence in terms of releasing methane into the atmosphere. It also sinks boats and stop aircraft engines, if the Science Channel can be believed.

Black Shanglan, I apologize...I should not have made the general statement. I raised five daughters...to whom I could not really speak in terms that I could be helpful. I have several dozen adopted daughters on poetry and philosophy sites that I intellectually interact with. Besides the 'goth' , parental rebellion, boy crazy, cutting group, I have found that young intelligent girls write some of the most interesting poetry on the internet. Boys always seek a pissing contest, as do most males here on Lit...girls/females, from time to time, can actually provide an interesting exchange of ideas.... Challenge? No, not since Ayn Rand passed, thank you.


amicus the intolerable....
 
The reason for worry was pointed out on this thread.

These two statements in particular. The dismissive "We are due for another ice age soon"

And what Liar pointed out, the fact that global temperature has been rising instead and weather patterns have gotten far more harshly extremist.

When a world is heating when its fluctuation rhthym says it should be cooling, no matter how "small" or "seemingly inconsequential" the rise is, the debate is that it shouldn't be rising at all. It shouldbe cooling.

And men like amicus show why the debate is reduced to farce. To a certain type of anarchist in business suit (don't tax me, don't regulate me, but please god keep all the poor people from killing me and robbing my mansion) any type of environmental debate is an affront against business. Look at the style he speaks in, trying to speak as if defending capitalism from social brainwashed masses who can't see how little the rise is when in truth he is misinterpreting science for his own biases and ends. This is exactly what he accuses his enemies of doing.

But we all know amicus, so pointing all this out is rather pointless. Think of it as an exercise in reading the debate in general, out in the real world with all the asphalt and people and birds and shit.

And amicus, as a personal note, I gave you conclusive evidence the first time we had this debate from a genuine peer-reviewed scientific journal without political bias and submitted by a moderately respected scientist of the field demonstrating that industrial development and people in general have indeed had a considerable effect in disrupting the global rhthym. So once again you are bullshiting out your ass.

Or is this one more insidious test you have designed with the gay jewish communist mafia which secretly rules the world to weed out the faithful to the cause from those who would seek to undermine its efforts? You know I don't approve of these constant internal affairs investigations, but who am I to argue against our glorious leaders Ted Kennedy and Saddam binLadin? And I shall be sure to organize the pro-evil rally in Paris for their glorious speech.
 
Lucifer_Carroll said:
The reason for worry was pointed out on this thread.

These two statements in particular. The dismissive "We are due for another ice age soon"

That wasn't dismissive. I don't think you understood me.

I find it quite surprising that anyone might have surmised I'm not an environmentalist.

I know full well that us wonderful humans - the glorious, intelligent species that we are - have royally fucked up this planet. I know the detrimental effects our greed and power-hunger have had on the environment and all that tries to inhabit it with us. I am fully aware that we have messed with Mother Nature. I also know that she has her revenge in the most catastrophic of ways.

The Earth is very young, and it is constantly changing, in so many dramatic ways. BUT, no other species that has ever walked this earth has ever had the negative impact us humans have.

I was merely steering the discussion. Consider it me trying to draw out actual opinion. Seems I did that. ;)

Ok, now I've spelled out very clearly where I stand (and I honestly didn't think I'd have to), please, carry on...

Lou
 
Tatelou said:
That wasn't dismissive. I don't think you understood me.

I find it quite surprising that anyone might have surmised I'm not an environmentalist.

I know full well that us wonderful humans - the glorious, intelligent species that we are - have royally fucked up this planet. I know the detrimental effects our greed and power-hunger have had on the environment and all that tries to inhabit it with us. I am fully aware that we have messed with Mother Nature. I also know that she has her revenge in the most catastrophic of ways.

The Earth is very young, and it is constantly changing, in so many dramatic ways. BUT, no other species that has ever walked this earth has ever had the negative impact us humans have.

I was merely steering the discussion. Consider it me trying to draw out actual opinion. Seems I did that. ;)

Ok, now I've spelled out very clearly where I stand (and I honestly didn't think I'd have to), please, carry on...

Lou

I was actually referring to the tone there. In truth I should have said sarcastically dismissive, but its 3 in the fucking morning over here and I've been running around all day. Be glad I can still spell my name.

-Lacifur Coral
 
Lucifer_Carroll said:
I was actually referring to the tone there. In truth I should have said sarcastically dismissive, but its 3 in the fucking morning over here and I've been running around all day. Be glad I can still spell my name.

-Lacifur Coral

Get to bed, Lacifur, the Devil's work will still be here tomorrow. ;)
 
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