nice90sguy
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Wow, the Wayback machine is MUCH cooler than I thoughtI get no hits for "gave him the third degree" before the 1890s
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Wow, the Wayback machine is MUCH cooler than I thoughtI get no hits for "gave him the third degree" before the 1890s
That's correct regarding my intent. I probably should have quoted the OP to make it more clear I was trying to respond to the use of the phrase as an idiomatic expression for a harsh interrogation. That being said, I was only vaguely aware that it had something to do with the masons prior to it entering the vernacular, so to speak, so I learned something too.There are lots of things which have a third degree (burns being another), but I think @Bamagan was talking about it in the sense of a very strict interrogation, and AFAICT that meaning does seem to have originated with Thomas Byrnes. (At least, I get no hits for "gave him the third degree" before the 1890s, and a lot of the early hits are associated with Byrnes.)
Google Ngrams. One of the useful things Google has yet to kill.Wow, the Wayback machine is MUCH cooler than I thought