Out of all the Bush haters..

[Purrde Flower]

How many of you voted? If you didn't vote please shut up. You have no say in how American should be run because you failed to participate in one of the biggest events we have. Choosing a president. And if you voted for Gore. You should be sending money to Florida to teach people how to read directions.

 

[Zmey]

Directions?! How about better prescription glasses?!

 

[Tungwagger]

Of course, we will now hear from those in Florida, and those sympathetic to those in Florida that as a product of "their" environment, it is customary to give "the benefit of a doubt"...

They will continuously skirt the fact that the "butterfly" ballot was designed by a democrat.

 

[k¡tty]

I'm still amazed how Chad could be preggers.

 

[sexy-girl]

i didn't vote for a president as im from the UK but im still affected by who sits in the whitehouse so of course i have an opinion on it


i do like your av purrde

 

[Guest]

 

[Purrde Flower]

i didn't vote for a president as im from the UK but im still affected by who sits in the whitehouse so of course i have an opinion on it


i do like your av purrde

Everyone has an opinion. However it is only those that participate in the matters of their government (ie: voting and things like that) to actually have a say that matters.


I fancy your AV too

 

[Spinaroonie]

How many of you voted? If you didn't vote please shut up. You have no say in how American should be run because you failed to participate in one of the biggest events we have. Choosing a president. And if you voted for Gore. You should be sending money to Florida to teach people how to read directions.

Is this supposed to be funny?

No, you're wrong. People don't vote for reasons BESIDES ignorance. What about the person who has analyzed the candidates and decides they like none of them, and wishes to support neither? Using your logic should they go vote for somebody who they don't want to be President? Or should they be removedfrom talking on the INTERNET about politics?

 

[sexy-girl]

Re: Re: Out of all the Bush haters..

lol thanks purrde i do think that people can and should have a say on their opinion even when they are outside america


spin in england they count the number of defaced voting slips ... if you don't want to vote for anyone you can deface a voting slip as a form of protest

 

[REDWAVE]

Why?

Why vote when the 2000 election showed the will of the people will just be disregarded anyway?

 

[CoolidgEffect]

How many of you voted? If you didn't vote please shut up. You have no say in how American should be run because you failed to participate in one of the biggest events we have. Choosing a president. And if you voted for Gore. You should be sending money to Florida to teach people how to read directions.

Isn't this just saying, if you didn't vote for Bush, shut up?

Seems reasonable... in Texas.

 

[RawHumor]

Re: Why?

Why vote when the 2000 election showed the will of the people will just be disregarded anyway?

Actually, it showed that a lot of people in Florida like to say that they didn't understand the voting process.

If you're too ignorant to understand a ballot, maybe you should try learning about that before you show up.

 

[REDWAVE]

Common ploy

Using ballots that are deliberately confusing and misleading is a common ploy of authoriarian nations which want to present the appearance of democracy, while preventing real democracy. Had the 2000 Presidential election taken place in, say, Zimbabwe, the U.S. government would have screamed about how rigged and fraudulent it was.

The veil has been dropped. The pretense of democracy has been abandoned in AmeriKKKa. We now live in an open and undisguised dictatorship of the rich.

 

[RawHumor]

Re: Common ploy

Using ballots that are deliberately confusing and misleading is a common ploy

Blame the Dem who designed it.

 

[Purple Haze]

Not that any of you actually read...

A Very American Coup

THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE WAS INTERCEPTED BY U.N. FORCES ON 9/1/01, AT 0600 HOURS, FROM SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT:

I am a citizen of the United States of America. Our government has been overthrown. Our elected President has been exiled. Old white men wielding martinis and wearing dickies have occupied our nation's capital.
We are under siege. We are the United States Government-in-Exile.
Our numbers are not insignificant. There are over 154 million adults among us, and 90 million children. That's 234 million people who did not vote for, and are not represented by, the regime that has placed itself in power.
Al Gore is the elected President of the United States. He received 539,898 more votes than George W. Bush, But he does not sit tonight in the Oval Office. Instead our elected President roams the country without purpose or mission, surfacing only to lecture college students and replenish his stash of Little Debbie's Snack Cakes.
Al Gore won. Al Gore, President-in-Exile. Long live El Pres-idente Albertooooooo Gorrrrrrrrrrre!

So who, then, is the man that now occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? I'll tell you who:

He is George W. Bush, "President" of the United States, The Thief-in-Chief.

It used to he that politicians would wait until they were in office before they became crooks. This one came prepackaged. Now he is a trespasser on federal land, a squatter in the Oval Office. If I told you this was Guatemala, you'd believe it in a heartbeat, no matter what your political stripe. But because this coup was wrapped in an American flag, delivered in your choice of red, white, or blue, those responsible believe they're going to get away with it.
That's why, on behalf of 234 million Americans held hostage I have requested that NATO do what it did in Bosnia nnd Kosovo, what America did in Haiti, what Lee Marvin did in The Dirty Dozen:
Send in the Marines! Launch the SCUD missiles! Bring us the head of Antonin Scalia!
I have sent a personal request to U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan to hear our plea. We are no longer able to govern ourselves or to hold free and fair elections.

We need U.N. observers, U.N. troops, U.N. resolutions!

Dammit, we need Jimmy Carter!

We are now finally no better than a backwater banana republic. We are asking ourselves why any of us should bother to get up in the morning to work our asses off to produce goods and services that only serve to make the junta and its cohorts in Corporate America (a separate, autonomous fiefdom within the United States that has been allowed to run on its own for some time) even richer. Why should we pay our taxes to finance their coup? Can we ever again send our sons off into battle to give their lives defending "our way of life" — when all that really means is the lifestyle of the gray old men holed up in the headquarters they seized by the Potomac?

Oh JesusMaryAndJoseph, I can't take it! Somebody pass me the universal remote! I need to switch back to the fairy tale that I was a citizen in a democracy with an inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happy Meals. The story I was told as a child said that I mattered, that I was. equal to every one of my fellow citizens — and that not a single one of us was to be treated differently or unfairly, that no one was to wield power over others without their consent. The will of the people. America the Beautiful. Land that I love. Twilight's ...last... gleaming. Oh, say, can you see — are the Belgian peacekeepers on their way? Hurry!

The coup began long before the shenanigans on Election Day 2000. In the summer of 1999 Katherine Harris, an honorary Stupid White Man who was both George W. Bush's presidential campaign cochairwoman and the Florida secretary of state in charge of elections, paid $4 million to Database Technologies to go through Florida's voter rolls and remove anyone "suspected" of being a former felon. She did so with the blessing of the governor of Florida, George W.'s brother Jeb Bush — whose own wife was caught by immigration officials trying to sneak $19,000 worth of jewelry into the country without declaring and paying tax on it... a felony in its own right. But hey, this is America. We don't prosecute felons if they're rich or married to a governing Bush.

The law states that ex-felons cannot vote in Florida. And sadly (though I'm confident that Florida's justice system was always unimpeachably fair), that means 31 percent of all black men in Florida are prohibited from voting because they have a felony on their record. Harris and Bush knew that removing the names of ex-felons from the voter rolls would keep thousands of black citizens out of the voting booth.

Black Floridians, overwhelmingly, are Democrats — and sure enough, Al Gore received the votes of more than 90 percent of them on November 7, 2000.

That is, 90 percent of those who were allowed to vote.

In what appears to be a mass fraud committed by the state of Florida, Bush, Harris, and company not only removed thousands of black felons from the rolls, they also removed thousands of black citizens who had never committed a crime in their lives — along with thousands of eligible voters who had committed only misdemeanors.

How did this happen? Harris's office told Database — A firm with strong Republican ties — to cast as wide a net as possible to get rid of these voters. Her minions instructed the company to include even people with "similar" names to those of the actual felons. They insisted Database check people with the same birth dates as known felons, or similar Social Security numbers; an 80 percent match of relevant information, the election office instructed, was sufficient for Database to add a voter to the ineligible list.

These orders were shocking, even to Bush-friendly Database. They would mean that thousands of legitimate voters might be barred from voting on Election Day just because they had a name that sounded like someone else's, or shared a birthday with some unknown bank robber. Marlene Thorogood, the Database project manager, sent an E-mail to Emmett "Bucky" Mitchell, a lawyer for Katharine Harris's election division, warning him that "Unfortunately, programming in this fashion may supply you with false positives," or misidentifications.

Never mind that, said ol' Bucky. His response: "Obviously, we want to capture more names that possibly aren't matches and let [county election] supervisors make a final determination rather than exclude certain matches altogether."

Database did as they were told. And before long 173,000 registered voters in Florida were permanently wiped off the voter rolls. In Miami-Dade, Florida's largest county, 66 percent of the voters who were removed were black. In Tampa's county, 54 percent of those who would be denied the right to vote on November 7, 2000, were black.

But culling names from Florida's records alone was not enough for Harris and her department. Eight thousand additional Floridians were thrown off the voting rolls because Database used a false list supplied by another state, a state which claimed that all the names on the list were former convicted felons who had since moved to Florida.

It turns out that the felons on the list had served their time and had all their voting privileges reinstated. And there were others on the list who had committed only misdemeanors — such as parking violations or littering. What state was it that offered Jeb and George a helping hand by sending this bogus list to Florida?

Texas.

This entire incident stunk to the high heavens, but the American media ignored it. It took the British Broadcasting Corporation to dig deep into this story, running_ fifteen-minute segments on its prime-time news program revealing all the sordid details and laying responsibility for the scam right at the doorstep of Governor Jeb Bush. It's a sad day when we have to look to a country 5,000 miles away to find out the truth about our own elections. (Eventually the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Past picked up the story, but it received little attention.)

This assault on the voting rights of minorities was so widespread in Florida that it even affected people like Linda Howell. Linda received a letter informing her that she was a felon — and therefore advising her not to bother showing up on Election Day, because she would be barred from voting. The only problem was, Linda Howel] wasn't a felon—in fact, she was the elections supervisor of Madison County, Florida! She and other local election officials tried to get the state to rectify the problem, but their pleas fell on deaf ears. They were told that everyone who complained about being prevented from voting should submit themselves for fingerprinting—and then let the state determine whether or not they were felons.

On November 7, 2000, as black Floridians flocked to the polls in record numbers, many were met at the ballot boxes with a blunt rebuke: "You cannot vote." In a number of precincts in Florida's inner cities, the polling locations were heavily fortified with police to block anyone on Katherine and Jeb's "felons list" from voting. Hundreds of law-abiding citizens looking to exercise their constitutional right to vote, mostly in black and Hispanic communities, were sent away—and threatened with arrest if they protested.

George W. Bush would officially be credited with receiving 537 more votes than Al Gore in Florida. Is it safe to assume that the thousands of registered black and Hispanic voters barred from the polls might have made the difference if they had been allowed to vote—and cost Bush theelection? Without a doubt.

On election night, after the polls closed, there was much confusion over what was happening with the counting of the votes in Florida. Finally a decision was made by the man in charge of the election night desk for the Fox News Channel. He decided that Fox should go on the air and declare that Bush had won Florida and thus the election. And that's what happened. Fox formally declared Bush the winner.

But down in Tallahassee, the counting of the votes had not yet been completed; in fact, the Associated Press insisted it was still too close to call, and refused to follow Fox's lead.

Source

 

[tomgirly]

Re: Re: Why?

Actually, it showed that a lot of people in Florida like to say that they didn't understand the voting process.

If you're too ignorant to understand a ballot, maybe you should try learning about that before you show up.

Why is the people of Florida's fault? I mean seriously, who wouldn't know how to cast a vote? Just b/c it's a state full of senior citizens or something? I don't buy it.

Who is the governor of Florida? A Bush boy. The whole, "Oh the people of Florida didn't know how to vote on the ballot," is such a crock. It was a total coverup by Brother Bush to make sure that Baby Brother got into the White House.

Just a thought. What do you think?

 

[RawHumor]

Re: Re: Re: Why?

Just a thought. What do you think?

So he rigged the machines? I don't get it. How could the governor influence the outcome of the election?

 

[tomgirly]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Why?

So he rigged the machines? I don't get it. How could the governor influence the outcome of the election?

Not sure. I don't know how it could be done, but I imagine it wouldn't take a genius to figure it out. The real obstacle would be to have access, and after that it would be cake.

I just got through reading the lengthy post above...Holy smokes. If this news is true, then there's a great example of having access. They denied the votes of thousands of people because they had access to files and were able to set up a barrier. Insane.

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[tomgirly]

How many of you voted?

I voted, but not for Bush.

 

[Purrde Flower]

Re: Re: Out of all the Bush haters..

Isn't this just saying, if you didn't vote for Bush, shut up?

Seems reasonable... in Texas.

I may not be as smart as a lot of people but I'm not ignorant. Tell me did you just look at my location and decided that since I am from Texas I voted for Bush? That was an ignorant assumtion if that is what you did.

 

[Guest]

 

[Purrde Flower]

Re: Re: Out of all the Bush haters..

Is this supposed to be funny?

No, you're wrong. People don't vote for reasons BESIDES ignorance. What about the person who has analyzed the candidates and decides they like none of them, and wishes to support neither? Using your logic should they go vote for somebody who they don't want to be President? Or should they be removedfrom talking on the INTERNET about politics?

No people can talk and form their own opinions all they like. It is my belief, my opinion, that if someone chose not to participte in the Presidential elections by voting, voting for the persons they had the most belief or understanding in. Then they forfit their right to have a say that matters in how the country is run.

 

[Purple Haze]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why?

If this news is true, then there's a great example of having access. They denied the votes of thousands of people because they had access to files and were able to set up a barrier. Insane.

Unfortunately it is true.

The sad part is that there are people who are okay with this...

 

[Tungwagger]

Re: Re: Common ploy

Blame the Dem who designed it.

Now why should Red be bothered with things like....facts???