Operation Northwoods

[REDWAVE]

For the intelligence aficionado:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

By James Bamford, whose book on the National Security Agency (NSA), The Puzzle Palace, is legendary.

Codename Artichoke:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/nov2002/arti-n13.shtml

Discuss.

 

[REDWAVE]

Question

Was a modified version of Operation Northwoods put into effect on September 11, 2001?

 

[bored1]

Re: Question

Was a modified version of Operation Northwoods put into effect on September 11, 2001?

I believe that it was, especially after reading that long article. Good Job Redwave.

 

[zipman]

Re: Re: Question

I believe that it was, especially after reading that long article. Good Job Redwave.

Yeah, good job being a paranoid, lunatic who sees conspiracy theories everywhere.

 

[bored1]

Re: Re: Re: Question

Yeah, good job being a paranoid, lunatic who sees conspiracy theories everywhere.

Red is paranoid?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

He's two paranoids, and a King kicker.

 

[REDWAVE]

More food for thought

Were the anthrax mailings of late last year an attempt at political assassination of the Democratic leadership in the Senate by fascistic (i.e., Republican) elements with ties to the U.S. military? Does that explain why the anthrax mailer still has not been caught, and why the investigation into the mailings has been so half-hearted and lethargic?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I buy that the NSA is more or less accurately painted by Bamford.

But, RED, Osama planned and executed 911. There is no Gulf of Tonkin controversy here.

 

[miles]

Re: More food for thought

Were the anthrax mailings of late last year an attempt at political assassination of the Democratic leadership in the Senate by fascistic (i.e., Republican) elements with ties to the U.S. military? Does that explain why the anthrax mailer still has not been caught, and why the investigation into the mailings has been so half-hearted and lethargic?

Everyone knows the feds didn't want to catch them. It was an easy way to fire up the locals without lifting a finger and stir up the drums of war.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Re: More food for thought

Were the anthrax mailings of late last year an attempt at political assassination of the Democratic leadership in the Senate by fascistic (i.e., Republican) elements with ties to the U.S. military? Does that explain why the anthrax mailer still has not been caught, and why the investigation into the mailings has been so half-hearted and lethargic?

You can't do that, man. You can't say "I see smoke over the mountain, so there must be fire here." If you see a pattern in everything, then nothing you say will be taken seriously.

I never thought I'd ever actually come across a "Foucault's Pendulum" Diabolical, but here you are.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

For that matter, what if Eco's "Plan" actually is real? What if all historical events actually are connected, and directed by a secret sect that involves the Rosicurians, the Templars, the Thuggies, the Bolsheviks, the Assassins and the Masons? Maybe the "Plan" is real, and has existed for centuries, and Eco wasn't just writing a novel, but a manifesto?

What if Flouride really IS mind control?

 

[HeavyStick]

For the intelligence aficionado:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html
scanned and edited by NY Transfer News. Who are these fucking bozos?
By James Bamford, whose book on the National Security Agency (NSA), The Puzzle Palace, is legendary.

Codename Artichoke:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/nov2002/arti-n13.shtml

enough said
Discuss.

 

[REDWAVE]

Just askin' questions

Hey, I'm just asking questions here. Take them for whatever you will. Given that we know the CIA has subverted democracy in other countries (Iran, Guatemala, and Chile are just three examples), it is really so inconceivable that it might also subvert democracy here? Since the very nature of intelligence agencies is to operate covertly and clandestinely, how can you be sure they're not? What role does the sinister organization "Skull and Bones" play in our government? Who killed J. Clifford Baxter? Who killed Danny Casolaro?

 

[RawHumor]

And don't forget Marilyn Monroe and Jimi Hendrix!

Who killed them, by golly, WHO KILLED THEM?!?!?

 

[HeavyStick]

And don't forget Marilyn Monroe and Jimi Hendrix!

Who killed them, by golly, WHO KILLED THEM?!?!?

Marilyn is alive, she'd giving Elvis a hummer in a trailer park outside Area 51.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

On the spurious notion that all things are conspiratorially connected

From Foucault's Pendulum:

"Gentlemen," he said, "I invite you to go and measure that kiosk. You will see that the length of the counter is one hundred and forty-nine centimeters -- in other words, one hundred-billionth of the distance between the earth and the sun. The height at the rear, one hundred and seventy-six centimeters, divided by the width of the window, fifty-six centimeters, is 3.14. The height at the front is nineteen decimeters, equal, in other words, to the number of years of the Greek lunar cycle. The sum of the heights of the two front corners and the two rear corners is one hundred and ninety times two plus one hundred seventy-six times two, which equals seven hundred and thirty-two, the date of the victory at Poitiers. The thickness of the counter is 3.10 centimeters, and the width of the cornice of the window is 8.8 centimeters. Replacing the numbers before the decimals by the corresponding letters of the alphabet, we obtain C for ten and H for eight, or C10H8, which is the formula for naphthalene."

"Fantastic," I said. "You did all these measurements?"

"No," Aglie said. "They were done on another kiosk, by a certain Jean-Pierre Adam. But I would assume that all lottery kiosks have more or less the same dimensions. With numbers you can do anything you like. Suppose I have the sacred number 9 and I want to get the number 1314, date of the execution of Jacques de Molay -- a date dear to anyone who, like me, professes devotion to the Templar tradition of knighthood. What do I do? Multiply nine by one hundred and forty six, the fateful day of the destruction of Carthage. How did I arrive at this? I divided thirteen hundred and fourteen by two, by three, et cetera, until I found a satisfying date. I could also have divided thirteen hundred and fourteen by 6.28, the double of 3.14, and I would have got two hundred and nine. That is the year in which Attalus I, king of Pergamon, joined the anti-Macedonian League. You see?"

 

[REDWAVE]

LOL, Raw

I think JFK had Marilyn bumped off, didn't he?

And Jimi-- how can you even ask? Obviously, he was killed by the KKK! They couldn't stand the idea of a black man being that popular.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Re: Just askin' questions

Hey, I'm just asking questions here. Take them for whatever you will. Given that we know the CIA has subverted democracy in other countries (Iran, Guatemala, and Chile are just three examples), it is really so inconceivable that it might also subvert democracy here? Since the very nature of intelligence agencies is to operate covertly and clandestinely, how can you be sure they're not? What role does the sinister organization "Skull and Bones" play in our government? Who killed J. Clifford Baxter? Who killed Danny Casolaro?

Sloppy, spurious connections without reasonable back-up or analysis. You're not "just asking questions" here, you're finding the exact conclusions you went looking for in the first place.

 

[REDWAVE]

DCL conspiracy

Now Dixon I think is the key player in a conspiracy to inflate the value of Literotica stock.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Your methodology is like that of all bad science, including the practice of mentioning in one breath a respected conclusion (or work, like The Puzzle Palace) and your own crackpot theory (the NSA planned 911) impressing the reader with the spurious (love that word) impression that the former sanctions the latter, when in effect the only connection between the two is the fact that you put them together in the same paragraph.

 

[REDWAVE]

BS

What methodology? I haven't asserted anything in this thread, merely asked questions. You're the only one making assertions-- invalid and unfounded ones, I might add. You want backup? I supplied plenty of backup sources and analysis on other threads, from www.wsws.org and other sources.

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: BS

I haven't asserted anything in this thread,

Have you ever?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I say "methodology". You don't "ask questions". No one here is stupid enough to think you're a curious guy standing on the fence with his finger in the air wondering which way the wind is blowing. You have an agenda, you have a platform, and you have a methodology that involves cut and pasting party pap and predetermining motivations and causes to fit your political model of how the world worked, works, and will work. You're not questioning anything, you're putting up Socialist exhibits. You're not curious, you're a curator.

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

You guys won't be laughing at REDWAVE when John Denver, Elvis, and John Lennon corner the banana market and take over the world.

 

[HeavyStick]

You guys won't be laughing at REDWAVE when John Denver, Elvis, and John Lennon corner the banana market and take over the world.

That is an obvious attempt at keeping the white man in power.