One Big Beautiful Bill Act

[butters]

if they removed one buried sentence, I have to wonder if there are others in there that should (obviously) not be either... but at least the republicans did something right

Senate Republicans slashed language from the House version of President Donald Trump's "big, beautiful bill" that would have given him the powers of a monarch who could simply bypass the courts if they tried to stop him from pursuing his policy ambitions, according to a report in HuffPost.

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, released his committee's changes to the judicial section late Thursday night. Notably absent was a "jarring, one-sentence provision that House Republicans buried in their 1,116-page bill," according to HuffPost.

The provision in question "would restrict the ability of any court, including the Supreme Court, to enforce compliance with its orders by holding people in contempt."

The one-sentence provision appears in Sec. 70302 "Restriction of Funds," and reads, "No court of the United States may use appropriated funds to enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued..."

According to HuffPost, "Contempt citations are an essential tool for the courts" because "they allow judges to threaten fines, sanctions or even jail if people disobey their orders."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...&cvid=70798cd8495c461b9950fc0ed9f55126&ei=147

it's not easy trying to be king

 

[BDA73]

For those who say leave the salt cap at 10k or better yet eliminate it all together...

Id say then what ever a state pays into the federal govt via its citizens should get exact that much back in funding from the govt.

Enough of states like NY and California funding states like Mississippi, Arkansas...

Higher tax states are higher because we pay our teacher and police a reasonable wage and benefits...

 

[Politruk]

Senate GOP Strips Contempt Provision From Tax Bill — But Still Lets Trump Be King

 

[butters]

Senate GOP Strips Contempt Provision From Tax Bill — But Still Lets Trump Be King

am I surprise? no

for them to forego that, there just had to be something else in there

While the contempt language is gone in the Senate bill, there is new and arguably more problematic language in its place. This bill would require that anyone seeking a temporary restraining order or a preliminary injunction against the federal government first post a bond that covers the costs and damages that would be sustained to the federal government, in the event it loses the case. We’re talking millions if not billions of dollars being required upfront, effectively shutting off people’s ability to sue the Trump administration.

 

[nowisthetime]

US tax revenues have been running consistently at around 17% of GDP for decades while spending as a % of GDP has been growing. It’s out of whack.

Tax revenue’s been stuck around 17% for years because the rich keep finding ways to dodge paying up. Spending goes up because the country needs it, but the real problem is who’s not paying their fair share, not the spending itself.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Tax revenue’s been stuck around 17% for years because the rich keep finding ways to dodge paying up. Spending goes up because the country needs it, but the real problem is who’s not paying their fair share, not the spending itself.

Pay your fair share

 

[MajorRewrite]

Pay your fair share

That’s exactly what you’re opposed to.

MAGA sheep are weird.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

That’s exactly what you’re opposed to.

MAGA sheep are weird.

What % of your AGI goes to federal taxes?

 

[MajorRewrite]

What % of your AGI goes to federal taxes?

Deflection will get you nowhere, weirdo.

 

[butters]

Senate Parliamentarian Tells Republicans They Can't Do Their Big Food Benefit Cut

WASHINGTON ― A decision by the Senate’s rules referee will likely force Republicans to drop a major part of their so-called Big Beautiful Bill.

Democrats announced late Friday night the Senate parliamentarian ruled that a provision requiring states to share the cost of federal food benefits cannot stay in the bill under the fast-track legislative procedures Republicans are using.

It’s a significant setback. The proposal represented not only a major structural change to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, but also a decent chunk of savings that helped offset the cost of the bill’s tax cuts for the rich.

Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), the top Democrat on the Senate Budget Committee, trumped the ruling, which resulted from Democrats making their case to the parliamentarian in closed-door meetings.

“As much as Senate Republicans would prefer to throw out the rule book and advance their conservative families lose and billionaires win agenda, this process has rules and Democrats are making sure those rules are enforced,” Merkley said. “We will be fighting this bill every single day until Republicans bring it to the floor.”

 

[MajorRewrite]

Senate Republicans want to simply pretend they aren’t adding to the deficit. Pretense is all they’ve got.

Republican Move to Mask $3.8 Trillion Tax-Cut Cost Rings Alarms

Senate Republicans are aiming to wipe away some $3.8 trillion of federal budget red ink from the GOP’s signature tax-and-spending bill with an unprecedented parliamentary maneuver, stoking concerns about long-term US fiscal policy.

If successful, the maneuver would upend decades of precedent by sweeping away rules aimed at making it harder for legislators to do permanent damage to fiscal balances. Economists warn it would set a dangerous precedent for future legislation, by allowing the majority party to enact what appears to be a temporary measure and then later setting it in stone without an official cost.

What do the MAGA sheep think of their duplicitous senators?

 

[MajorRewrite]

Elon Musk attacked the Senate’s Tax & Spend Bill again.

He says it doesn’t give enough money to him.

"The latest Senate draft bill will destroy millions of jobs in America and cause immense strategic harm to our country!" Musk wrote in a post on X.

"It gives handouts to industries of the past while severely damaging industries of the future."

MAGA sheep admire that weasel.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Elon Musk attacked the Senate’s Tax & Spend Bill again.

He says it doesn’t give enough money to him.



MAGA sheep admire that weasel.

Professional ape survivor and occasional US Representative Nancy Mace of South Carolina (who read an account of her involuntary participation in a fraternity bukkake party into the Congressional record in February...and added one nude photo of herself taken by the boys in May) is trying to have it both ways:

• Elon Musk deserves ZERO subsidies because electric vehicles are bad and also made in Texas
• Mercedes Benz, though, deserves every single subsidy she negotiated with the Biden administration last year to retool a foundering Mercedes Benz truck assembly line in South Carolina to start producing Mercedes Benz EV trucks, because electric vehicles are teh FUTURE (and Mace has made ironclad guarantees to add 800 local blue collar job in SC)

 

[Bn2f]

Professional ape survivor and occasional US Representative Nancy Mace of South Carolina (w

Thx RDS for constantly reminding me of the flaming bag of crap representing us here in SC. Just yesterday our family had a conversation on how Ms. StarvingForAttention avoids/refuses to do town halls.

 

[nowisthetime]

Oh my God, loves spam under your name? There are far worse posters than this guy. I looked forward to his insightful postings. Wow.

As for this bill, no bill should be this long, sneaking in harmful provisions. Let’s call it what it is: taking money from the poor and middle class to benefit the wealthy. Anyone who voted for this bill should never hold office again. They should never call themselves true Christians, there is nothing Christ-like about it!

Senate GOP Strips Contempt Provision From Tax Bill — But Still Lets Trump Be King

 

[Rickslaw101]

Let's untangle this proposal and check the pros and cons. Below is an overview. I'd appreciate your help in other aspects. Thank you in advance.

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Positive Tax Changes (Supporters' Perspective)​

1. Extension of 2017 Tax Cuts
   The bill extends the provisions of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which are set to expire at the end of 2025. This extension is intended to maintain lower tax rates for individuals and corporations.
2. Increased SALT Deduction Cap
   The state and local tax (SALT) deduction cap is raised from $10,000 to $40,000, potentially benefiting taxpayers in high-tax states.
3. Defense Spending Boost
   An additional $150 billion is allocated for defense spending, which supporters argue strengthens national security.

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Negative Tax Changes (Critics' Perspective)​

1. Potential Increase in National Debt
   The bill is estimated to add several trillion dollars to the national debt over the next decade, raising concerns about fiscal sustainability.
2. Reduction in Social Program Funding
   Significant cuts are proposed for programs like Medicaid and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), which could affect low-income individuals.
3. Scaling Back Clean Energy Incentives
   The bill reduces many clean-energy tax credits established under the Inflation Reduction Act, potentially impacting renewable energy initiatives.
4. Loss of Health Insurance Coverage
   It's projected that nearly 14 million Americans could lose health insurance coverage due to the proposed changes.

DM, Let's talk about the alleged negatives:
1. The CBO has indeed suggested that the BBB will increase the National Debt over the next ten years, but the CBO scoring does not factor in the multiplier effect that lower corporate taxes will have on increasing economic activity (GDP) that will in turn result in higher tax revenues flowing into the Treasury. Nor, I suspect, does the CBO analysis take into account the increase in tariff revenue or the longer term additional increase in GDP flowing from US manufacturer's returning their factories to the US. While it's true that these last two items (tariff revenue and repatriation) are not part of the bill and therefore not part of the scoring, they ARE a part of the reality into which the BBB is being adopted.
2. The cuts in Medicaid and SNAP are not reductions in services to Americans, but rather reductions in services to those who should not (IMHO) be entitled to these services, i.e. illegal aliens. Eliminating services to these people will reduce the incentives for unproductive foreigners to come to America to receive free stuff.
3. Scaling Back Clean Energy incentives means simply that we are going to let the Free Market determine the pace

 

[Bray123]

This is what the Great Pork Bill will do for you, apparently.

https://imgur.com/9U0iqQW

 

[nowisthetime]

This is what the Great Pork Bill will do for you, apparently.

https://imgur.com/9U0iqQW

The 17 million loss in healthcare, to me that is pure M#rder, plain and simple. Many of these people work and struggle to make ends meet. I have been fortunate to receive health insurance through my job, but many people are not as "lucky".

This is an abomination. If these Rethug politicians are so damn scared of him, they should just step down. Their duty is serving the people not some cantankerous old corrupt criminal.

 

[dmallord]

DM, Let's talk about the alleged negatives:
1. The CBO has indeed suggested that the BBB will increase the National Debt over the next ten years, but the CBO scoring does not factor in the multiplier effect that lower corporate taxes will have on increasing economic activity (GDP) that will in turn result in higher tax revenues flowing into the Treasury. Nor, I suspect, does the CBO analysis take into account the increase in tariff revenue or the longer term additional increase in GDP flowing from US manufacturer's returning their factories to the US. While it's true that these last two items (tariff revenue and repatriation) are not part of the bill and therefore not part of the scoring, they ARE a part of the reality into which the BBB is being adopted.
2. The cuts in Medicaid and SNAP are not reductions in services to Americans, but rather reductions in services to those who should not (IMHO) be entitled to these services, i.e. illegal aliens. Eliminating services to these people will reduce the incentives for unproductive foreigners to come to America to receive free stuff.
3. Scaling Back Clean Energy incentives means simply that we are going to let the Free Market determine the pace

I appeciate your input.

On the first point, it's certainly difficult to untangle what the ramifications really will turn out to be. However, the conjecture of that outcome is from in-depth analysis by economists who live and breathe those aspects on a daily basis. If they have misgivings, and enough seem to, then it would be prudent to heed their input. Now, neither of us know if they used those multiplier effects you mentioned. So, I lean to saying their knowledge level is far above the levels of Congress members and anyone in or associated with the White House as an economic advisor.

Regarding point two, the bill does not explain how Medicaid and SNAP recipients will be identified and separated. This is a red-herring element. Illegal immigrants are generally not eligible for either program funds, except in some emergency cases involving Medicaid care in hospitals. [This same care is received by citizens when they cannot pay.] They do not qualify for SNAP, except in families that include a citizen, and then they are only eligible based on that person's factors. Interview on TV of Congress members supporting this speaks as if they are ripping the government off, and assures the public that only the ineligible will be cut. Sounds like double-speak, given that they are already not eligible. There are new changes that are designed to make it more difficult to appy and qualify. Those who will, it is pointed out by Republican congressmen with large numbers of constituents who qualify now, that it will eliminate six or more million. Those are not illegals.

As to the last, Clean Energy, I've been around long enough to know that if you expect an industry that is profit-driven to take some of that profit and clean up the environment, they don't. Greed overrides Clean every time. I'd push it along as the importance of the Earth's natural biosphere is something man cannot fix post-facto. Better to try and avoid adding to it upfront, or at least at the smallest levels possible. Regulation pushes that along more than corporate consciousness.

Thanks for your input.

 

[Bn2f]

https://imgur.com/9U0iqQW

So sad America suffers from low information voters. This bill targets and will harm trump’s maga base more than it will any of the so called illegals here.

 

[Bray123]

The 17 million loss in healthcare, to me that is pure M#rder, plain and simple. Many of these people work and struggle to make ends meet. I have been fortunate to receive health insurance through my job, but many people are not as "lucky".

This is an abomination. If these Rethug politicians are so damn scared of him, they should just step down. Their duty is serving the people not some cantankerous old corrupt criminal.

And all those people who Musk fired?

They all lost their health coverage on that day. Then when they apply for insurance, all their medical history is marked down as 'pre-existing conditions'.

/In the UK, the NHS does not recognize that phrase.

 

[Rickslaw101]

The 17 million loss in healthcare, to me that is pure M#rder, plain and simple. Many of these people work and struggle to make ends meet. I have been fortunate to receive health insurance through my job, but many people are not as "lucky".

This is an abomination. If these Rethug politicians are so damn scared of him, they should just step down. Their duty is serving the people not some cantankerous old corrupt criminal.

There are 37 million Americans below the Poverty Line. How many of them are on Medicaid? 72 Million. Yes, that's right. SEVENTY TWO MILLION. Nearly twice as many people as the program was intended to cover.

So why are they cutting 17 million people from Medicaid? Because Medicaid is for poor Americans and it's now providing healthcare for people who are NOT poor and/or NOT American. Wake up People. Think people.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

And all those people who Musk fired?

They all lost their health coverage on that day. Then when they apply for insurance, all their medical history is marked down as 'pre-existing conditions'.

/In the UK, the NHS does not recognize that phrase.

People in the US who lose their jobs or quit their jobs are eligible for COBRA which allows them to purchase their company health insurance at the corporate rate for up to 18 months.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The Tax & Spend Bill will now add $1 trillion more to deficits and the national debt than earlier versions of the bill.

Once again proving that Republicans only care about deficits and the national debt when a Democrat is in the White House.

How are the MAGA sheep feeling about this? Still unequivocally supporting Deficit Donnie?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I wonder how many people who oppose the bill have calculated how much more they will pay in federal income taxes starting in 2026 if the bill does not pass. I suspect most have no clue.