Omisexual- or just evasive? How important are lables in accepting yourself?

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No labels for Sophie B. Hawkins, please
By Beth Berlo
Published: Thursday, June 6, 2002

Sophie B. Hawkins


Singer, songwriter, and self-described "omnisexual" Sophie B. Hawkins, first drew the attention of lesbians in 1992 with her hit single, "Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover."

Both her sound and lyrics have been likened to everyone from Janis Joplin to Patti Smith. Her sexuality is invariably the focal point of most press interviews as she alludes to loving men and women equally. Hawkins cringes at labels and thinks too many people confine their sexuality to a single identity. Of the word "omnisexual," Hawkins says, "I believe I invented the word."

She remembers first being asked about her sexuality by The New York Times shortly after her album "Tongues and Tails" was released, and even though her lyrics clearly invoked lesbian lovemaking, she was jolted by the question. "No one had asked me that before," she told Bay Windows. "Not even a friend. I would say I wasn't gay. And even [now] when I'm with a woman, I'd say I'm not a lesbian."

Today, Hawkins still responds to questions around her sexuality the same way. Not to be evasive or controversial, but to allow her to evolve more individually, she says. "My sexuality is connected to my soul more than my physical craving, no matter who I'm attracted to. I don't act on an attraction impulse unless there's a deep soul connection. And sometimes the soul's in a man's body and sometimes the soul's in a woman's body."

As this year's headlining entertainment at the Boston Pride Rally on the Boston Common June 8, Hawkins said she is thrilled to able to participate. She performed at Chicago's Gay Pride festival last summer and had a blast, she said. Gay Pride events, she says, are "the greatest thing in the world. Being gay is special." It doesn't matter if you consider yourself lesbian, gay, bisexual, trangender or omnisexual, she said. "It's all so fucking deep."

Hawkins declined to say whether she's currently dating a man or a woman, but rumor has it she's for years been with a woman. Lesbian-themed movies are a big turn-on for her. "To me, the greatest movies are like Aimee and Jaguar," she said.

Of her boundless approach toward sexuality, her lyrics, she observes, often incite untapped awakenings among her straight audiences. "So many straight people are turned on by my love and support of women and the way I express it," she says. "I watch them change around me. Straight men open up around me and always end up revealing that they're not as straight as they seem to be, and these straight men who are coming on to me," she laughed. "And inside every straight woman, there's a lesbian dying to do it once."

Long rumored to have once dated Rosie O'Donnell, Hawkins when asked replied, "I can't answer that question." Among the other mysteries surrounding this enigmatic songstress is her age, which she has long kept secret, though she appears to be in her 30s.

After the lesbian community embraced "Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover," it later served as a bone of contention among lesbian activists who thought Hawkins should be incorporating more lesbian lyrics in her songs. "They gave me shit for not being lesbian enough," she recalled. "But the interesting thing is that I'm the only woman who ever said 'making love to her'" in a song ("Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover"). Even today, Hawkins says, those lyrics remain a powerful and reaffirming notion to many lesbians. "It's like when I saw Aimee and Jaguar. There's just no question about women in love. It's the most beautiful thing. Everybody knows it and it's what all the fear is about."

Currently, Hawkins is hard at work on her next album, to be titled "Sweet Cantaloupe," which she described as "sexy, fun, deep, and really diverse."

"Emotionally, it goes places I haven't gone before, and I just love it," she says, adding, "Every time I put on demos, people just start tapping their feet."

Comparing it to her last album, "Timbre," she says, "[It] was more somber. On this, it's a celebration of emotions and relationships." Hawkins also promised that there was at least one song on the album that lesbians will be able to identify with and take pleasure from, perhaps even her lesbian detractors.

Asked what Pride meant to her in 2002, Hawkins said, "It means that gay people are celebrating the freedom to be pillars of society, to be leaders, and to be regarded as special people. Gay people are forward-looking and incredibly courageous. ... Even though I call myself bisexual, I'm under the umbrella of gay preferably, and gay people. We're the shamans, the visionaries. And it's obvious. It doesn't mean that people have to be consciously gay, but clearly gay people are super-conscious in order to even live as a gay person."

Spiritually speaking, she said, "Look how fucked up the world has gotten. Straight people have lost their mind. No one's perfect, but there's a helluva lot to glean from gay people."
 
That old dog has chained you up all right
Give you everything you need
To live inside a twisted cage
Sleep beside in empty rage
I had a dream I was your hero

Damn I wish I was your lover
I'd rock you till the daylight comes
Make sure you are smiling and warm
I am everything
Tonight I'll be your mother
I'll do such things to ease your pain
Free your mind and you won't feel ashamed
Open up gonna come inside
Gonna fill you up
Make you cry

This bloke can't stand to see you black and blue
I give you something sweet each time you
Come inside my jungle book
It's just too good
Don't say you'll stay
'Cause then you go away

Damn I wish I was your lover
I'll rock you till the daylight comes
Make sure you are smiling and warm
I am everything
Tonight I'll be your mother
I'll do such things to ease your pain
Free your mind and you won't feel ashamed
Shucks
For me there is no other
You're the only shoe that fits
I can't imagine I'll grow out of it
Damn I wish I was your lover

If I was your girl believe me
I'd turn on the Rolling Stones
We could groove along and feel much better
Let me in
I could do it forever and ever, ever n' ever
Give me an hour to kiss you
Walk through heaven's door I'm sure
We don't need no doctor to feel much better
Let me in
Forever and ever and ever and ever

I sat on the mountainside with peace of mind
I lay by the ocean making love to her with visions clear
Walked for days with no one near
And I return as chained and bound to you

Damn I wish I was your lover
I'll rock you till the daylight comes
Make sure you are smiling and warm
I have everything
Tonight I'll be your mother
I'll do such things to ease your pain
Free your mind and you won't feel ashamed
Shucks for me there is no other
You're the only shoe that fits
I can't imagine I'll grow out of it
Damn I wish I was your lover
Open up gonna come inside
Gonna fill you up
Make you cry

http://www.theworldjournal.com/spec...phie_B._Hawkins/Damn_I_Wish_I_Was_Your_Lover/
 
I'm afraid my labels aren't much use to me. I got so much ego, I can always accept myself.
 
Yeah, it's quite an accomplishment, wringing that much person brand positioning from the simple fact that she is bi. I don't get half of what she's on about, but it sure sounds impressive.

This I dig:

"My sexuality is connected to my soul more than my physical craving, no matter who I'm attracted to. I don't act on an attraction impulse unless there's a deep soul connection. And sometimes the soul's in a man's body and sometimes the soul's in a woman's body."



But I'm so lost when it does further down:

"It means that gay people are celebrating the freedom to be pillars of society, to be leaders, and to be regarded as special people. Gay people are forward-looking and incredibly courageous. ... Even though I call myself bisexual, I'm under the umbrella of gay preferably, and gay people. We're the shamans, the visionaries. And it's obvious. It doesn't mean that people have to be consciously gay, but clearly gay people are super-conscious in order to even live as a gay person."

Eh?


Can someone explain to me, in baby-talk just to be sure, what she is trying to say. Because as one off the norm, I get the feeling she assumes I should relate.
 
Liar said:
"It means that gay people are celebrating the freedom to be pillars of society, to be leaders, and to be regarded as special people. Gay people are forward-looking and incredibly courageous. ... Even though I call myself bisexual, I'm under the umbrella of gay preferably, and gay people. We're the shamans, the visionaries. And it's obvious. It doesn't mean that people have to be consciously gay, but clearly gay people are super-conscious in order to even live as a gay person."

Eh?


Can someone explain to me, in baby-talk just to be sure, what she is trying to say. Because as one off the norm, I get the feeling she assumes I should relate.

It means "My shit don't stink."

Or if you prefer... "This group of people, of whom I consider myself one, have poo-poo that smells like roses. Here, take a whiff!"

Read the 'Why are so many artists Liberal?" thread if you need other examples.

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
I think her umbrella thing misses that one can be straight with great honesty and conviction and sometimes condemnation. And one can be asexual, but faces confusion and hatred from everyone. The asexual person scares even the utopians it seems.

I don't know. The relatively new debates on sexuality and the roles of genders are good things in my opinion and have done a lot to ease my life personally as a radically chivalrous man. But I wouldn't see that or the gay rights movement as something that repels or excludes straights. I've always seen it as inclusive to the degree that one can be straight but still pledge support or still be affected by that (friends, family, ideals), and so on and so forth.

I think she's being a little born-again gay especially as for so long she was phobic of the idea of being categorized with them.
 
its a wee bit distasteful

to me to say "my name is vella and i'm a lesbian." clearly i am...but my deffinition is probably much different from say...oh i dunno...elsol? :kiss:
i dont see a need to lable anyone. its a huge reason why we have so much discord, i believe. one of the reasons why i wont assign myself to a political group...i see no reason when i like a little bit of nearly all affiliations.
i am me
i am vella
take me or leave me...your choice.
 
vella_ms said:
to me to say "my name is vella and i'm a lesbian." clearly i am...but my deffinition is probably much different from say...oh i dunno...elsol? :kiss:
i dont see a need to lable anyone. its a huge reason why we have so much discord, i believe. one of the reasons why i wont assign myself to a political group...i see no reason when i like a little bit of nearly all affiliations.
i am me
i am vella
take me or leave me...your choice.
Huzzah! :kiss:

I know that an erotic site is a weird place to be asking this question... but why is sexuality such a key identifyer in this culture of ours? I can think of a dozen things at the top of my head that affect who I am and how I identify myself, than with who, as well as how, I get it on.
 
I'm straight. Men as sexual or life partners just isn't something I've ever found attractive.

If people want to attach other labels to that, that's their problem.
 
No straight person denies being straight. People only deny or hedge about being gay. Hawkins' evasiveness is a sign of internalized homophobia.

Also, she didn't coin "omnisexual." The New York Times article in question is dated 1992. The word was already established in newspapers by 1984.
 
know that an erotic site is a weird place to be asking this question... but why is sexuality such a key identifyer in this culture of ours? I can think of a dozen things at the top of my head that affect who I am and how I identify myself, than with who, as well as how, I get it on.
I'm with you on this one, Liar. To people like us, our sexuality is just another facet of our overall personality. Yes, it is part of who we are, but not the be all and end all.

To my gay friends and relatives (at least the ones who are 'out'), their sexuality is the central fact of their being. I guess this is understandable to an extent since the process of coming out probably forced them to really focus on their sexuality to the exclusion of other traits.

I'd look forward to a time when a person's sexuality: gay, straight, or bi - will just be one more aspect of their personality or physiology - like being left handed or secretly enjoying old Elvis records.

I personally don't care who you sleep with, and I'd rather not talk about it. I get my vicarious sexual experiences by reading Literotica.
 
I think part of the POV problem you are having, liar, is not living in this repressed and priest-ridden country. In churches the question of what stance to take about gayness has provoked much hostility, schisms, crusades and countercrusades. All in slow motion, over years, but none the less powerful for that.

And over here a lot of people have a powerful stake in churchly things. The religiosity of America has waxed and waned over our history, but you can bet it's all just seething now, close to a millenium-point as we are. Have you seen the latest Harry Potter thread? Sweetpeee starts it with a link. She's wacked, this Lurlene person to whom the link refers, but she's not alone. There's a good deal of irrational shit hitting the everyday fan here.
 
thebullet said:
To my gay friends and relatives (at least the ones who are 'out'), their sexuality is the central fact of their being. I guess this is understandable to an extent since the process of coming out probably forced them to really focus on their sexuality to the exclusion of other traits.

Another view on this is that gay people are forced to make their sexuality the focus by others - people wanna know if you're gay, and if you tell them you're gay then suddenly all everyone's thinking about is your sex life.

One of my friends is a diabetes research scientist who runs his own lab at a prestigious University. He has a staff of ten and his work is funded in millions of dollars thorugh various grants, he publishes his findings and frequently gives presentations at, um scientist conventions?, and he teaches grad students and undergrads. Invariably, though, in social settings, he often feels that people learn he's gay and that's all they think of about him. He's not the charming, brilliant Dr. So and So to them; he's gay.
 
vella_ms said:
to me to say "my name is vella and i'm a lesbian." clearly i am...but my deffinition is probably much different from say...oh i dunno...elsol? :kiss:

Lesbians are like playboy playmates... fun to look at but it's not like I'm going to find one in my bed any time soon (ever).

Unless they took a left turn at Alberquerque

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
vella_ms said:
to me to say "my name is vella and i'm a lesbian." clearly i am...but my deffinition is probably much different from say...oh i dunno...elsol? :kiss:
i dont see a need to lable anyone. its a huge reason why we have so much discord, i believe. one of the reasons why i wont assign myself to a political group...i see no reason when i like a little bit of nearly all affiliations.
i am me
i am vella
take me or leave me...your choice.


But is eccepting the lable part of excepting ourselves?

What would we think of someone wh says "It's true that I clean other peoples homes for a living, but that doesn't make me a maid. I reject that label, I find that it's too limiting. No, I definatly wouldn't lable myself as a maid."

It's kind of like on this show i watch. A guy walks into a room and another guy recognizes him and says, "Oh you're that gay football player, arent you?

He says,"I'm npt comfortable with lables like that."

And the other guy (whos also gay) says "Which label bothers you- "football player" or "gay"?
 
vella_ms said:
to me to say "my name is vella and i'm a lesbian." clearly i am...but my deffinition is probably much different from say...oh i dunno...elsol? :kiss:
i dont see a need to lable anyone. its a huge reason why we have so much discord, i believe. one of the reasons why i wont assign myself to a political group...i see no reason when i like a little bit of nearly all affiliations.
i am me
i am vella
take me or leave me...your choice.


I'd take you, but Lucky might get mad....
 
sweetnpetite said:
But is eccepting the lable part of excepting ourselves?
No. Accepting a label is accepting a way for others to look at you.

I don't think of mysef in any other label than "Me".

I don't even think of my name as "me", but that is a label representing "me" that is convenient for others to use. "Me", my RL name (or Liar at Literotica.com for that matter) has a demographic of one.

The less specific the label is, the less it identifies me. If I identify myself as "the bisexual", that covers me and several hundred million other persons. If I identify myself as "the male", that's an even suckier label, since that's me and half the planet.
 
No one likes to be labelled, because labels generalize us and deny us our individuality, whether they're based on sexual preference or ethnicity or taste in music or age or hair color or anything else. It's okay to do it to ourselves, but when other people do it, it's demeaning by definition.

And what kind of person buys music based on the musician's sexual preference anyhow? It's like buying an air conditioner based on the CEO's eye color.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
And what kind of person buys music based on the musician's sexual preference anyhow? It's like buying an air conditioner based on the CEO's eye color.

There's more of a connection than air conditioners and eye color. A musician's lyrics are often shaped by his/her experience, and sexuality is often expressed as well. The content is very much part of the appeal to some fans. Equally compelling is the tendency of music lovers to identify with their favorite artists and/or turn them into heroes. People relate to the musician as well as their music.
 
I'm with Liar.

I despise labels, and part of the reason is that a label might "fit" today, but be totally wrong tomorrow. Besides, isn't it just another way to compartmenalize people?
 
Me?
You want to stick a label on me?
I don't need no steeenking labels.

I am the dude down the street and around the corner who just doesn't give a shit who you are.

I am the husband who supports his wife if she decides she wants to experiment.

I am that strange guy who is willing to step in when others are giving you shit about your beliefes.

I am the cat who strolls through the worst nightmares of the people who want to controll how you think and feel.

I am the feral felinoid who will gut you in a heartbeat when you start pushing your views on my neighbors and family.

I am he who is willing to lay down his life to protect yours.

I am he who is willing to give up his lifestyle in order to rptect your lifestyle.

I am the person who believes as he does, and doesn't want you to interfere.

I am he who believes that love is not a finite resource, it grows as it is used.

I am the person who can be turned on by a song, even if he isnt' turned on by the person singing it.

In other words, there are many faces to me so how can you stick any one label on this cat?

Cat
 
SeaCat said:
Me?
You want to stick a label on me?
I don't need no steeenking labels.

I am the dude down the street and around the corner who just doesn't give a shit who you are.

I am the husband who supports his wife if she decides she wants to experiment.

I am that strange guy who is willing to step in when others are giving you shit about your beliefes.

I am the cat who strolls through the worst nightmares of the people who want to controll how you think and feel.

I am the feral felinoid who will gut you in a heartbeat when you start pushing your views on my neighbors and family.

I am he who is willing to lay down his life to protect yours.

I am he who is willing to give up his lifestyle in order to rptect your lifestyle.

I am the person who believes as he does, and doesn't want you to interfere.

I am he who believes that love is not a finite resource, it grows as it is used.

I am the person who can be turned on by a song, even if he isnt' turned on by the person singing it.

In other words, there are many faces to me so how can you stick any one label on this cat?

Cat

:heart:

I like those labels. ;)
 
SeaCat said:
Me?
You want to stick a label on me?
I don't need no steeenking labels.

I am the dude down the street and around the corner who just doesn't give a shit who you are.

I am the husband who supports his wife if she decides she wants to experiment.

I am that strange guy who is willing to step in when others are giving you shit about your beliefes.

I am the cat who strolls through the worst nightmares of the people who want to controll how you think and feel.

I am the feral felinoid who will gut you in a heartbeat when you start pushing your views on my neighbors and family.

I am he who is willing to lay down his life to protect yours.

I am he who is willing to give up his lifestyle in order to rptect your lifestyle.

I am the person who believes as he does, and doesn't want you to interfere.

I am he who believes that love is not a finite resource, it grows as it is used.

I am the person who can be turned on by a song, even if he isnt' turned on by the person singing it.

In other words, there are many faces to me so how can you stick any one label on this cat?

Cat

Wow!!

You're hitting on all eight tonight, Cant.

Well said and a priviledge to know you.

Hugo
 
SeaCat said:
Me?
You want to stick a label on me?
I don't need no steeenking labels.

I am the dude down the street and around the corner who just doesn't give a shit who you are.

I am the husband who supports his wife if she decides she wants to experiment.

I am that strange guy who is willing to step in when others are giving you shit about your beliefes.

I am the cat who strolls through the worst nightmares of the people who want to controll how you think and feel.

I am the feral felinoid who will gut you in a heartbeat when you start pushing your views on my neighbors and family.

I am he who is willing to lay down his life to protect yours.

I am he who is willing to give up his lifestyle in order to rptect your lifestyle.

I am the person who believes as he does, and doesn't want you to interfere.

I am he who believes that love is not a finite resource, it grows as it is used.

I am the person who can be turned on by a song, even if he isnt' turned on by the person singing it.

In other words, there are many faces to me so how can you stick any one label on this cat?

Cat

I'm straight.

Happened on a bus, she walked in and my body said "Yeah, her! Or anyone like her! As often as possible!"

Sincerely,
elsol
 
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