Okay, I have done the delete, edit, and resubmit crap.

[shamefever]

Didn't work, my stories are rated lower than when I submitted them under Loving Wives. I guess that cum slurping is just not going to get high ratings, here.

In spite of loving you, and loving Literotica, I guess I have to publish elsewhere. I hate that. I want to be at least an average writer, here. But the haters want my ass. I will continue where my stories are accepted. Sorry, love u guys, will see you on another sex story site, take care.

Gary Seymour, gary_seymour@comcast.net.

 

[rjordan]

Didn't work, my stories are rated lower than when I submitted them under Loving Wives. I guess that cum slurping is just not going to get high ratings, here.

In spite of loving you, and loving Literotica, I guess I have to publish elsewhere. I hate that. I want to be at least an average writer, here. But the haters want my ass. I will continue where my stories are accepted. Sorry, love u guys, will see you on another sex story site, take care.

Loving Wives is a very tough crowd. If it's any consolation, the comments have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of writing or skills as a storyteller. It has to do with the perverted morality they think was set down by Bronze Age men in a book of fairytales.

The image that comes to mind when I read the Anonymous comments in LW is the witch scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. If you don't know it, google it. Very funny and fitting.

Nothing anyone could write would satisfy them, and it isn't worth the effort to even try. Write for yourself. If you need adulation, get a dog. If you have one, get another. The world needs more dogs and fewer evangelicals.

Sorry to see you go.

rj

 

[TamLin01]

Why do the scores determine where you publish? The only reason the score could possibly matter (other than pride) is that a low score might discourage new readers. But if the story isn't featured at all, that will eliminate new readers on this venue entirely.

Cutting nose, spiting face, etc.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Loving Wives is a very tough crowd. If it's any consolation, the comments have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of writing or skills as a storyteller. It has to do with the perverted morality they think was set down by Bronze Age men in a book of fairytales.

The image that comes to mind when I read the Anonymous comments in LW is the witch scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. If you don't know it, google it. Very funny and fitting.

Nothing anyone could write would satisfy them, and it isn't worth the effort to even try. Write for yourself. If you need adulation, get a dog. If you have one, get another. The world needs more dogs and fewer evangelicals.

Sorry to see you go.

rj

This is the truth. I have written every type of LW story you could think of. There was always someone there that hated it. And not always the same people.

OP...You might try putting it in the Fetish category

Or back in LW. In the long run, those who like it will vote and those who don't will get tired and ignore it.

 

[lovecraft68]

Just because these nut jobs are trashing your story doesn't mean you're not a good writer. It means...that crowd is a bunch of rabid dogs and they eat everything alive.

Try another category and see what the response is to your work, I'm sure it will be better.

I agree woith ZEb cum eating is a fetish and in that category will go over much better

I'm going to add that I wonder if you mean a more popular writer? Because again just because people in LW trash something does not mean the story is bad, but you will never get good results there.

Shit I have a story there that's a 2.82 right now

 

[HandsInTheDark]

It would be interesting if the long time authors here published a list of categories and the associated red flag topics. I've learned the hard way that if a Fantasy story doesn't have a happy ending, you're not likely to see 4.5. (This surprised the crap out of me, given how much faerie writing existed solely to teach object or moral lessons.) There are probably similar lessons in other categories.

As for Loving Wives, I have no idea why anyone would ever write in that category at all. By the nature of the topic, it's going to attract readers who are unhappy in their marriages and are looking for affirmation, and sympathy for their plight. If you don't cater exactly to their particular misery you'll be punished for their unhappiness. And since "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way", you're never going to please more than a tiny subset of the disaffected. There's a reason I lean towards fantasy, and never use married characters.

It helps to keep your target audience in mind, as well. If you're writing for guys, then in large measure, you'll do ok if the story contains some variation of "guy screws shapely girls repeatedly." If you're writing in categories favored by women - Fantasy seems to be one, I imagine LW is another - you are dealing with a lot of complexities, some of which are entirely outside your control as author.

It would be great if we could collect information on ratings - the ages and genders behind each vote, etc. You could start to work out what demographic likes you, and sharpen accordingly. But Lit doesn't have a way to collect that data. As a result, I tend to consider ratings almost irrelevant.

 

[lovecraft68]

LW at this stage of the game has no type of "winning" formula. That audience is all pissed off about...everything it seems.

As for other categories there are some sweet spots for each one, but people vary in tastes and each category can be broken into sub categories that people look for.

My own example....I enjoy Group stories, but only threesomes, anything more than three no matter what the combo is not my thing, but some feel the more the merrier. You won't get my read, but you'll get others...

Its like that in every category as each one has so many variables and people that like/dislike all of them...

A good place to look for new authors is the How To section there are a lot of them that focus on how to get good scores in certain categories or all of them, how to deal with trolls....

 

[SandraMustard]

This discussion might be wasted on the OP, who seemed to try one story in two categories and didn't get immediate adoration so he left in a huff.

 

[edwalu2]

It would be interesting if the long time authors here published a list of categories and the associated red flag topics. I've learned the hard way that if a Fantasy story doesn't have a happy ending, you're not likely to see 4.5. (This surprised the crap out of me, given how much faerie writing existed solely to teach object or moral lessons.) There are probably similar lessons in other categories.

As for Loving Wives, I have no idea why anyone would ever write in that category at all. By the nature of the topic, it's going to attract readers who are unhappy in their marriages and are looking for affirmation, and sympathy for their plight. If you don't cater exactly to their particular misery you'll be punished for their unhappiness. And since "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way", you're never going to please more than a tiny subset of the disaffected. There's a reason I lean towards fantasy, and never use married characters.

It helps to keep your target audience in mind, as well. If you're writing for guys, then in large measure, you'll do ok if the story contains some variation of "guy screws shapely girls repeatedly." If you're writing in categories favored by women - Fantasy seems to be one, I imagine LW is another - you are dealing with a lot of complexities, some of which are entirely outside your control as author.

It would be great if we could collect information on ratings - the ages and genders behind each vote, etc. You could start to work out what demographic likes you, and sharpen accordingly. But Lit doesn't have a way to collect that data. As a result, I tend to consider ratings almost irrelevant.

Yes, I found this an interesting idea too.

Obviously I am very new here, so my first story was very much about writing what happened to me and I didn't give it much more thought than that. After spending a couple of days on the forum and reading quite a few comments on stories, it's fascinating to see how invested people seem to be in having a story written by someone else work out in a way that suits them.

We've all got preferences, but why that makes people think an author is going to write stories to reflect those of an anonymous commentator rather than their own is anyone's guess.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

We've all got preferences, but why that makes people think an author is going to write stories to reflect those of an anonymous commentator rather than their own is anyone's guess.

What happens is, when a story starts to resonate with a reader, they want it to resonate fully. I found this to be true when I wrote Captured Princess. What girl doesn't dream of being a princess? And those grown up girls came to my story with fairly strong ideas of how it should go. I was startled by how many tried to control my pen via their comments.

I don't write fairy tales with happy endings for the most part - fairy tales originally didn't have happy endings - and Captured Princess, which despite having complicated characters and a great deal of setting and plot detail - and mind melting sex scenes in a few places - struggled in the ratings. Too many readers wanted my princess to stomp on her opposition and were pissed when she didn't.

The reality is that Literotica isn't about well written stories. Bad writing will hurt you, but good writing doesn't help ratings. What helps ratings is hitting the fetishes of your readers, and that can be a VERY random process.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Most of the stories I post go to LW. Almost all of them score ONE or so till my 'friends' move on and let others ease the scores up. A few get close to 4.5 but never above the magic number. A few other writers get close to 5 and stay there. Not every LW writer gets fucked with.

I write for a niche who likes LW with a noir flavor. The characters aren't nice people. The women aren't beautiful or loyal. The guys often fuck their drunk mothers.

My advice is write for your audience and fuck the scores and the LIT prima donnas.

 

[lovecraft68]

Most of the stories I post go to LW. Almost all of them score ONE or so till my 'friends' move on and let others ease the scores up. A few get close to 4.5 but never above the magic number. A few other writers get close to 5 and stay there. Not every LW writer gets fucked with.

I write for a niche who likes LW with a noir flavor. The characters aren't nice people. The women aren't beautiful or loyal. The guys often fuck their drunk mothers.

My advice is write for your audience and fuck the scores and the LIT prima donnas.

I have an LW that is flirting with 4.5 its been 4.48/4.49 for a few weeks.

 

[shutterpsb]

I posted one story to LW. It's been received okay, but I wrote it to be infidelity friendly if that's possible. Misogyny and machismo kind of rule the roost in LW. I posted the story there to get some different readers for my other stories. Can't really tell if that worked or not, but I do agree with the consensus, your story probably belongs in fetish.

 

[49greg]

Didn't work, my stories are rated lower than when I submitted them under Loving Wives. I guess that cum slurping is just not going to get high ratings, here.

In spite of loving you, and loving Literotica, I guess I have to publish elsewhere. I hate that. I want to be at least an average writer, here. But the haters want my ass. I will continue where my stories are accepted. Sorry, love u guys, will see you on another sex story site, take care.

....

I skimmed through the first page of your first story. I can see that there would be lots of fans of this story here on lit. I didn't get to the end of the first page, so not into any group sex, but if I had written it I would have put it in Fetish.

Another thing to remember is that they are new. Wait a few months and see how things shake out then. You already have several favorites on that first chapter. Just realize that there are hundreds and hundreds of views for every vote.

Just remember that when you do a story, regardless of what category, if the wife cheats, and especially if the husband approves, you're liable to get trolls who one bomb you and put in hateful comments. Pity them. For most of the one bombs will eventually be erased by sweeps and feel sorry for the narrow drab lives they lead.

edited: and remember, as someone has already posted in this thread, the quality of the story has little to do with the score. If you're happy with it, that's what really matters.

 

[Handley_Page]

Didn't work, my stories are rated lower than when I submitted them under Loving Wives. I guess that cum slurping is just not going to get high ratings, here.

In spite of loving you, and loving Literotica, I guess I have to publish elsewhere. I hate that. I want to be at least an average writer, here. But the haters want my ass. I will continue where my stories are accepted. Sorry, love u guys, will see you on another sex story site, take care.

Gary Seymour, gary_seymour@comcast.net.

It strikes me that you may have missed the purpose of the site.

Write erotic stories and see what fellow writers think of it.
And you can learn from the experience.

If all you write is a "cum slurping" stroke-fest type, good for you, but you ain't goin' to get very far without help, are you?
I mean, is that IT?
No other stories ?

 

[LadyVer]

It strikes me that you may have missed the purpose of the site.

Write erotic stories and see what fellow writers think of it.
And you can learn from the experience.

If all you write is a "cum slurping" stroke-fest type, good for you, but you ain't goin' to get very far without help, are you?
I mean, is that IT?
No other stories ?

I would guess that "cum slurping" isn't a major theme in any genre, even erotica. Is there a way to make this sound better? Classier? I can't come up with anything, but I just got off work and my brain is dead for the day.

Look, erotica writers, I have to tell you, and please don't take offense. If you want a lot of comments--positive comments--there are a few things you need to do. Don't post in Loving Wives, and write a story with a plot that keeps the brain engaged. Erotica starts with the brain. Don't leave your brain out out when writing your story. Speaking generally here and not pointing fingers.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

I would guess that "cum slurping" isn't a major theme in any genre, even erotica. Is there a way to make this sound better? Classier?

Um.. more or less by fiat it's hard to imagine that ever being high class. I mean I just tried to picture a woman in an elegant dark blue cocktail dress and fine jewelry, done up hair, dazzling smile. sitting at a table, damask tablecloth, silk napkins, silver oyster fork... and sipping from her vodka-and-cum martini.

Sorry... I just can't make that work.

And now I'm wondering what the oyster fork is for.

And I'm very sorry I asked that.

...yeah. I need to abandon this post while I'm VERY far behind.

(If someone makes a story out of that, please do not tell me.)

 

[rjordan]

Look, erotica writers, I have to tell you, and please don't take offense. If you want a lot of comments--positive comments--there are a few things you need to do. Don't post in Loving Wives, and write a story with a plot that keeps the brain engaged. Erotica starts with the brain. Don't leave your brain out out when writing your story. Speaking generally here and not pointing fingers.

If you CAN write a good story with a plot that keeps the brain engaged, I don't think LW is an obstacle to positive comments and good scores. It isn't to these authors. I'm naming them just off the top of my head--there are many many more just as good:

SirThopas
FrancisMacomber
laptopwriter
qhml1
Rehnquist
DanielQSteele1
Tx Tall Tales
DG Hear

I'd give Lance Armstrong's only nut to be able to post just one story as good as these guys can produce.

rj

 

[LadyVer]

Um.. more or less by fiat it's hard to imagine that ever being high class. I mean I just tried to picture a woman in an elegant dark blue cocktail dress and fine jewelry, done up hair, dazzling smile. sitting at a table, damask tablecloth, silk napkins, silver oyster fork... and sipping from her vodka-and-cum martini.

Sorry... I just can't make that work.

And now I'm wondering what the oyster fork is for.

And I'm very sorry I asked that.

...yeah. I need to abandon this post while I'm VERY far behind.

(If someone makes a story out of that, please do not tell me.)

The main issue I have with stories, regardless of platform, is that either the writer doesn't understand genres, or they don't care about genre requirements and they think they can classify their story as steam punk (an example) and load it down with vamps, weres, zombies, kraks, mages, fairies, witches, brownies, trolls, an HEA, first time, bdsm, erotica, and the reader is supposed to be amazed at the writer's creativity.. I get a few pages into the story and I'm thinking I don't have the brain power or the will to put up with this kitchen-sink load of crap.

I would think there are many creative things to do with an oyster fork.

 

[RejectReality]

The reason the author is describing it that way is most likely because that's the language that turns him on. I have no doubt there are quite a few readers that are just as turned on by the same thing.

There just weren't enough of them for him to achieve his goals here.

Unfortunately, posting the story to LW the first time probably contributed mightily to that. A name change isn't enough to throw some of those trolls off your scent, and once one of them takes a chunk, the pack isn't far behind.

If a desire to achieve a certain score or level of positive commentary with this type of story is his goal, he is indeed probably on the wrong site. The haters of that genre are many and loud here, and tend to shout down the people who undoubtedly enjoy it.

 

[sr71plt]

It would be interesting if the long time authors here published a list of categories and the associated red flag topics.

That pretty much happens twice a month on the forum. If you just read in on the history of the forum when you first start posting, you're sure to get discussions on several wheels you've tried to reinvent on the forum.

 

[lovecraft68]

I would guess that "cum slurping" isn't a major theme in any genre, even erotica. Is there a way to make this sound better? Classier? I can't come up with anything, but I just got off work and my brain is dead for the day.

Look, erotica writers, I have to tell you, and please don't take offense. If you want a lot of comments--positive comments--there are a few things you need to do. Don't post in Loving Wives, and write a story with a plot that keeps the brain engaged. Erotica starts with the brain. Don't leave your brain out out when writing your story. Speaking generally here and not pointing fingers.

There are several fetish threads dedicated to eating cum and its usually referred to as just that, but for the fetish its generally men eating it as its pretty much a given that women do it, so the real fetish is the guys doing it.

If its eaten from the wife's pussy its referred to as a cream pie, not a bad name, might not be classy, but kind of fun

Of course if you have two women swapping it after one takes it in their mouth that's snow balling... again not bad...

I guess its the m,ale version someone has to come up with a better name for.

 

[SamScribble]

There are several fetish threads dedicated to eating cum and its usually referred to as just that, but for the fetish its generally men eating it as its pretty much a given that women do it, so the real fetish is the guys doing it.

If its eaten from the wife's pussy its referred to as a cream pie, not a bad name, might not be classy, but kind of fun

Of course if you have two women swapping it after one takes it in their mouth that's snow balling... again not bad...

I guess its the male version someone has to come up with a better name for.

Oh gosh, so much they forgot to tell us at school. Mind you, school was rather a long time ago.

 

[Handley_Page]

Oh gosh, so much they forgot to tell us at school. Mind you, school was rather a long time ago.

{In my case, a Very Long Time Ago).

 

[lovecraft68]

{In my case, a Very Long Time Ago).

I am younger than you and Sam but my oldest turned 25 today telling me I am well on my way.