Okay, guys, here's a thread to air your views on voting

[theognis]

Please Note: this thread was created by chipbutty in order to allow free debate over varying views on our voting system, not by theognis. It stands as a thread in which further discussion may be freely added or disregarded. Thankyou.



Just so everybody knows, fridayam not only left a nasty comment on one of my submissions, he dropped a one bomb on it and knocked its rating from a 4.86 to a 4.38 with that one lousy vote.

I don't mind people being critical in a civil way, and I don't mind someone not giving one of my submissions a five, if they feel it deserves something less, but there's no call for what was done, in my opinion. I had never even contemplated giving anybody here a one.

As I've told him privately, it won't be forgotten.

 

[Angeline]

Just so everybody knows, fridayam not only left a nasty comment on one of my submissions, he dropped a one bomb on it and knocked its rating from a 4.86 to a 4.38 with that one lousy vote.

I don't mind people being critical in a civil way, and I don't mind someone not giving one of my submissions a five, if they feel it doesn't deserves something less, but there's no call for what was done, in my opinion. I had never even contemplated giving anybody here a one.

As I've told him privately, it won't be forgotten.

People do have a right to give a one if they want and say what they want. We all expose ourselves to that whenever we post a poem here. Please don't misunderstand me as I'm not taking sides, just pointing it how it always has been here. I've had comments many times (as well as ones) that basically say you and your poem suck. I try to learn what I can from it and otherwise shrug it off. There's a lot of incivility at Lit and it will never go away. I just try to stay focused on my poems.

 

[theognis]

People do have a right to give a one if they want and say what they want. We all expose ourselves to that whenever we post a poem here. Please don't misunderstand me as I'm not taking sides, just pointing it how it always has been here. I've had comments many times (as well as ones) that basically say you and your poem suck. I try to learn what I can from it and otherwise shrug it off. There's a lot of incivility at Lit and it will never go away. I just try to stay focused on my poems.

Yes, I guess they do have the right to be nasty, if they like. What goes around comes around, though.

 

[fridayam]

Yes, I guess they do have the right to be nasty, if they like. What goes around comes around, though.

Implying what, exactly? Have I not the right to vote as I believe? Perhaps, by your definition of voting, we should all have prizes? Or nothing.

 

[theognis]

Implying what, exactly? Have I not the right to vote as I believe? Perhaps, by your definition of voting, we should all have prizes? Or nothing.

Have you mysteriously forgotten you not more than an hour ago gave me hell for "promiscuously" voting fives for "rank tripe" submitted by authors you consider submitters of "rubbish?" Seems like a double standard that you get to vote the way you like, and I should be fine with it, but if I vote the way I like, that's some kind of sin.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Just so everybody knows, fridayam not only left a nasty comment on one of my submissions, he dropped a one bomb on it and knocked its rating from a 4.86 to a 4.38 with that one lousy vote.

I don't mind people being critical in a civil way, and I don't mind someone not giving one of my submissions a five, if they feel it deserves something less, but there's no call for what was done, in my opinion. I had never even contemplated giving anybody here a one.

As I've told him privately, it won't be forgotten.

and publicly too, we've all been bombed at some time ..... me I have a sulk then pick myself up and get over it

 

[theognis]

Tell you what, fridayam. I'm a fair man, I think, so I'll make you a deal. I will never again vote for any of your submissions, past or future, if you'll agree never again to vote for any of mine, past or future. Not that I will have any future submissions. I'm mostly concerned about the ones I've already submitted, and you know why. But how about it? Deal?

 

[Angeline]

Tell you what, fridayam. I'm a fair man, I think, so I'll make you a deal. I will never again vote for any of your submissions, past or future, if you'll agree never again to vote for any of mine, past or future. Not that I will have any future submissions. I'm mostly concerned about the ones I've already submitted, and you know why. But how about it? Deal?

Do you mind a question? Are you submitting poems for the Survivor contest? Because I don't know why otherwise it would really matter. But if you were amassing votes for the Survivor contest, you'd want your score as high as possible, maybe Just wondering.

If I wrote a poem that someone else thought was only worth a one I wouldn't mind. I'd appreciate it if they told me why but otherwise it's just their opinion.

 

[PoetGuy]

Just so everybody knows, fridayam not only left a nasty comment on one of my submissions, he dropped a one bomb on it and knocked its rating from a 4.86 to a 4.38 with that one lousy vote.

I don't mind people being critical in a civil way, and I don't mind someone not giving one of my submissions a five, if they feel it deserves something less, but there's no call for what was done, in my opinion. I had never even contemplated giving anybody here a one.

As I've told him privately, it won't be forgotten.

Implying what, exactly? Have I not the right to vote as I believe? Perhaps, by your definition of voting, we should all have prizes? Or nothing.

Have you mysteriously forgotten you not more than an hour ago gave me hell for "promiscuously" voting fives for "rank tripe" submitted by authors you consider submitters of "rubbish?" Seems like a double standard that you get to vote the way you like, and I should be fine with it, but if I vote the way I like, that's some kind of sin.

Tell you what, fridayam. I'm a fair man, I think, so I'll make you a deal. I will never again vote for any of your submissions, past or future, if you'll agree never again to vote for any of mine, past or future. Not that I will have any future submissions. I'm mostly concerned about the ones I've already submitted, and you know why. But how about it? Deal?

Poet Guy requests that you two take your fight elsewhere. Start a thread, perhaps, dedicated to sniping at each other so that Poet Guy then can explicitly ignore that thread.

He has so far found both of you to be persons of interest, both in terms of poems submitted and comments left on the board or on poems, but he is very much uninterested in pissing matches about voting. One votes will almost certainly be swept away by the Literotica voting daemon, so aren't worth fretting about, other than as a perceived expression of rancor.

In any case, you are fighting, if you are fighting, over poems posted to an unedited bulletin board. This is not the Beloit Poetry Journal.

Vote however you want to vote. Get upset over how people vote on your poems.

Just, please, do it privately.

 

[theognis]

Do you mind a question? Are you submitting poems for the Survivor contest? Because I don't know why otherwise it would really matter. But if you were amassing votes for the Survivor contest, you'd want your score as high as possible, maybe Just wondering.

If I wrote a poem that someone else thought was only worth a one I wouldn't mind. I'd appreciate it if they told me why but otherwise it's just their opinion.

So are you saying you don't care what kind of rating people give your work? A one is fine with you?

 

[PoetGuy]

Do you mind a question? Are you submitting poems for the Survivor contest? Because I don't know why otherwise it would really matter. But if you were amassing votes for the Survivor contest, you'd want your score as high as possible, maybe Just wondering.

If I wrote a poem that someone else thought was only worth a one I wouldn't mind. I'd appreciate it if they told me why but otherwise it's just their opinion.

Survivor, unless the rules have changed, is simply about production. Scores do not matter. Nor should they, as they can be manipulated.

Poet Guy agrees with Angeline that votes are simply opinions and sometimes someone really does think one's poem absolutely sucks.

And that's OK.

 

[theognis]

Poet Guy requests that you two take your fight elsewhere. Start a thread, perhaps, dedicated to sniping at each other so that Poet Guy then can explicitly ignore that thread.

He has so far found both of you to be persons of interest, both in terms of poems submitted and comments left on the board or on poems, but he is very much uninterested in pissing matches about voting. One votes will almost certainly be swept away by the Literotica voting daemon, so aren't worth fretting about, other than as a perceived expression of rancor.

In any case, you are fighting, if you are fighting, over poems posted to an unedited bulletin board. This is not the Beloit Poetry Journal.

Vote however you want to vote. Get upset over how people vote on your poems.

Just, please, do it privately.

I don't know if you noticed, but the initial insult was not done privately. I think I've made a very fair offer to settle the matter, once and for all.

 

[theognis]

Survivor, unless the rules have changed, is simply about production. Scores do not matter. Nor should they, as they can be manipulated.

Poet Guy agrees with Angeline that votes are simply opinions and sometimes someone really does think one's poem absolutely sucks.

And that's OK.

Then it should be okay if one votes a five for something someone else thinks is rubbish, wouldn't you say?

 

[PoetGuy]

I don't know if you noticed, but the initial insult was not done privately. I think I've made a very fair offer to settle the matter, once and for all.

The "initial insult," even if posted to a public location is a private matter. You have brought a private irritation into a public arena on a thread that Poet Guy likes to read. He does not like to read about pissing contests between poets, however. Why he suggests you two go elsewhere, either private exchange (preferred) or a dedicated thread to insult each other.

But, Poet Guy does acknowledge that threads are free speech zones, so he can only request that you both go somewhere else to discuss your differences. He would rather not read about these differences, from either side, and hopes you take them elsewhere, but cannot do anything about it, nor would do anything about it other than request you go elsewhere, even had he administrator privileges.

You are both, as Poet Guy has previous stated, persons of interest to him. He does not want to place you both on ignore over some silly pissy thing over voting, of all things. Voting at Literotica is intrinsically flawed and more or less meaningless.

 

[PoetGuy]

Then it should be okay if one votes a five for something someone else thinks is rubbish, wouldn't you say?

Yes. And it is OK for one to vote one on something for whatever reason one wants as well.

 

[theognis]

Yes. And it is OK for one to vote one on something for whatever reason one wants as well.

Certainly. But no double standard. And no one should be surprised if insults and low votes are not gladly accepted.

 

[PoetGuy]

Certainly. But no double standard. And no one should be surprised if insults and low votes are not gladly accepted.

No standard whatsoever. You turn votes on, you get what people vote. "Standards," double or not, do not apply.

Ach. Poet Guy really is going now. He apologizes to those who read this thread looking for thank you notes and off-topic banter. He suggests that our beneficent moderator move all this crap to another thread.

 

[theognis]

No standard whatsoever. You turn votes on, you get what people vote. "Standards," double or not, do not apply.

Ach. Poet Guy really is going now. He apologizes to those who read this thread looking for thank you notes and off-topic banter. He suggests that our beneficent moderator move all this crap to another thread.

That was my point. No double standards.

 

[theognis]

It's funny, I just got bombed twice more. Once on Too Short, and once on the meaning of its. I'm turning off the voting on my remaining poems, before they get bombed also. There are some real assholes here, I see.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I've been here a damn long time and I wouldn't even know if I'd been bombed or not, perhaps I am missing some great opportunity here to make myself miserable. I occassionally swish through my submissions and the only thing I notice is if you rats haven't put a singly damn vote on something I slaved over at least you got one I don't have screaming hysterics and make everyone feel uncomfortable ...... get over it man

 

[theognis]

I've been here a damn long time and I wouldn't even know if I'd been bombed or not, perhaps I am missing some great opportunity here to make myself miserable. I occassionally swish through my submissions and the only thing I notice is if you rats haven't put a singly damn vote on something I slaved over at least you got one I don't have screaming hysterics and make everyone feel uncomfortable ...... get over it man

I am over it. It was like a bite from an insect. You swat the insect and move on. But before I go, there are a couple of things I'd like to say.

This professed unconcern about votes is laughable. Your friend Friday explained to me why he did what he did. He thought I was getting too many fives, and was undeserving of them, so he took it upon himself to bring me down to size.

Friday also thought I was handing out too many fives to people who were also undeserving, and he resented that as well. According to him I was rewarding people here who write "rank tripe" and "rubbish" with my fives.

I won't bore you with details, but it was concern about votes and the coveted Red 'H' that got Friday so upset with me. So upset he just had to take action. He couldn't just ignore the awful prospect of my getting another undeserved Red 'H' it seems.

Oh, by the way, he told me the submission I got the Red 'H' for wasn't a poem any more than the one he initially attacked. My unjustly rewarded sins were many, apparently.

I'm not the one who was overly concerned about votes, you see. I was only concerned about my own votes, not those of others. Unlike Friday, I was happy to see others getting high votes, or even a Red 'H' here and there.

It seems Friday isn't alone in his resentment. Two one-bombs on one poem, and another on a different poem seem to indicate that. I get the message.

This will be my last post here, unless someone else wishes to take a bite.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Doesn't PM stand for PRIVATE message?

 

[Esperanza_Hidalgo]

Not that anyone asked

the nature of posting here is that you will get bombed. I have a poem with 40 thousand views and a 2.66 (I do look UYS--smile). It hurts. I know. I've felt it. I've tried to leave three times. I'm always back because there is no place like this.

Try posting a story here. You can have 100 votes--mostly fives. But someone will always give you a one.

It no longer bothers me as much (a teensy weensy bit). At one point I had about five red H's on poems. Now I have one because one person got mad at me about comments on the GBLT. It just does not matter. When said and done, people can voice opinion or retaliate.

I repeat. It is the nature of Lit and has much to do with the success.

Stay, you will benefit as a poet and author. Bombs mean little unless all are bombing. One bomb from ten people means nine liked it. Hopefully, I won't get bombed for this post.

 

[Angeline]

So are you saying you don't care what kind of rating people give your work? A one is fine with you?

I rarely even look to see what the votes are. Honest! I go back again and again to see if someone has commented but I don't care about the votes. If a bunch of people were one-bombing my poems for reasons that had nothing, imo, to do with the quality of what I had written, I'd think they were wasting their time and then go off and listen to jazz and write another poem. I've been here too long to let the way many people manipulate numbers bother me.

 

[Angeline]

And one more point on this and then I'm going to shut up on the subject. When I was in college some people referrred to something called the "gentleman's C," meaning that a caring professor would never give anyone less than a C because this is the way we are supposed to act in polite company, right? I think that's an awful idea. If I'm doing something right I appreciate people pointing it out to me. If I'm failing at something, I want to know that too. If everyone gives fives all the time then five is meaningless, sort of like the point of your koan, Theogis. I never give less than a four because I don't comment on poems I see as worth less than at least a four. But I would never ever give a score or make a comment that just says something kind or happy because it's the polite thing to do. That, to me, is antithetical to the whole idea of feedback or judging. My politeness is equivalent to if you have nothing good to say, say nothing. Beyond that, I'm always going with honest. And that is the context within which I choose to score and critique. If I make a comment that says something isn't working it's because I think it can be fixed to make a better piece of writing.