Okay, can someone explain to me something about the FBI?

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Where was the probable cause involved here that justified the FBI wasting taxpayer dollars to spy on this woman? Exactly what threat did MLK Jr. or his wife pose to national security?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070830...i&printer=1;_ylt=AgJkkQMWlzcY59.A38Nh6c1H2ocA

Documents show FBI spied on King's widow

By ERRIN HAINES, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 11 minutes ago

Federal agents spied on the widow of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. for several years after his assassination in 1968, according to newly released documents that reveal the FBI worried about her following in the footsteps of the slain civil rights icon.

In memos that reveal Coretta Scott King being closely followed by the government, the FBI noted concern that she might attempt "to tie the anti-Vietnam movement to the civil rights movement."

Four years after Martin Luther King Jr.'s death, the FBI closed its file on Coretta Scott King, saying, "No information has come to the attention of Atlanta which indicates a propensity for violence or affiliation of subversive elements," according to a memorandum dated Nov. 30, 1972.

The documents were obtained by Houston television station KHOU in a story published Thursday. Coretta Scott King died in January 2006 at the age of 78.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, who served as president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference — which King co-founded in 1957 — said the documents illustrate the FBI's pattern of "despicable and devious" civil-rights-era behavior against the organization and those affiliated with it.

"The FBI kept a microphone everywhere they could where the SCLC was concerned," said Lowery, who said the agency had a member of the SCLC's staff on its payroll.

"Since we had nothing to hide, it was no great problem for us. But we don't put it past the FBI; (then-FBI Director) J. Edgar Hoover hated Martin Luther King and everything that the SCLC stood for."

Andrew Young, a lieutenant of King's during the civil rights movement, agreed. But he said he was surprised that the government would focus on Coretta Scott King.

"I didn't know it and I don't think she knew it," Young said. "If ever there was a woman that had the makings of a saint, it was Coretta. I don't know what they were looking for, I don't know what they were expecting to find. I don't know why they wasted the government's money."

Also included in the documents:

• The FBI suggested that Ralph Abernathy, a close aide to Martin Luther King, be made aware of death threats against his life for the benefit of "the disruptive effect of confusing and worrying him."

• An intercepted letter written by Coretta Scott King in 1971 to the National Peace Action Coalition, in which she said the Vietnam War has "ravaged our domestic programs."

• One memo shows that the FBI even read and reviewed King's 1969 book about her late husband, "My Life with Martin Luther King Jr." The agent made a point to say that her "selfless, magnanimous, decorous attitude is belied by ... (her) actual shrewd, calculating, businesslike activities."

There is also evidence that the Nixon administration and then-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger were kept informed of the FBI's nearly constant surveillance.

Martin Luther King Jr.'s activities were known to have been monitored by the federal government as he led the civil rights movement in the 1960s. Intelligence gathering on famous Americans and war critics became so infamous that rules to curtail domestic spying were put in place in the 1970s.

King's nephew, Isaac Newton Farris Jr., said on Thursday that the surveillance of his aunt comes as no surprise.

"We knew she was surveilled," said Farris, who is also chief executive officer of the Martin Luther King Jr. Center for Nonviolent Social Change. "The only surprise is the intensity of the surveillance after his death. It appears it was as intense as the surveillance on my uncle."

Farris said there was no reason to monitor either one of them, since they were law-abiding citizens who were standing up for their constitutional rights.

"This is a woman who basically was trying to raise four kids and honor her deceased husband," Farris said. "I don't know how that was a threat to anybody's national security."
 
LovingTongue said:
• One memo shows that the FBI even read and reviewed King's 1969 book about her late husband, "My Life with Martin Luther King Jr." The agent made a point to say that her "selfless, magnanimous, decorous attitude is belied by ... (her) actual shrewd, calculating, businesslike activities."

When you're a member of an organization you tell the bosses what they want to hear.

Even if your boss is a paranoid transvestite. ;)
 
rgraham666 said:
When you're a member of an organization you tell the bosses what they want to hear.

Even if your boss is a paranoid transvestite. ;)
That memo should be re-titled

"How to suck his dick without staining your dress"
 
Are we talking about the Federal Bureau of Intimidation or the Federal Bureau of Interpretation? You see, it all depends on which one was involved. At least, that's what I've heard.
 
MLK was thought to be a subversive, possibly a communist. He did challenge a number of authorities, and broke some laws.
 
Pure said:
and broke some laws.
Yes, he broke some laws in the pursuit of freedom. I guess he's just lucky the USA government didn't lock him away forever, since freedom in the USA can be illegal, depending on the color of your skin. (Remember the voting intimidation problems for blacks in Florida in 2000? It seems as if MLK's work will never be done.)
 
DeeZire said:
Yes, he broke some laws in the pursuit of freedom. I guess he's just lucky the USA government didn't lock him away forever, since freedom in the USA can be illegal, depending on the color of your skin. (Remember the voting intimidation problems for blacks in Florida in 2000? It seems as if MLK's work will never be done.)
You mean his acts of civil disobedience?
 
Hoover once had a meeting with President Kennedy and then Attorney General Robert Kennedy. During the meeting he played an audio tape. The brothers eyed each other during several moments of grunts and groans and then asked WTF they was listening to. Hoover explained that it was the subversive MLK and two prostitutes. When the brothers failed to react as he expected Hoover added that it was two WHITE prostitutes.

The Attorney General of the united states explained to the head of the FBI that it was not illegal, even if they were white. As a furious Hoover stormed out the brothers couldn't help laffing, which added fuel to the hatred Hoover already felt for the President.

Some years later after the Kennedy assasination Hoover had an impromptu meeting with Presidential sucsessor LBJ, while the president was walking his dog along a residential street. Good ol boy LBJ stopped near some bushes and relieved himself. Hoover later had an aide check into the possibility of charging the president of the united states with indecent exposure, but was told it was a very bad idea.

Hoover was not just a nut, he was one hell of a nut.

:rose:
 
LovingTongue said:
You mean his acts of civil disobedience?
I guess that's what Pure was referring to.

Perhaps your question about 'why' is answered by the old saying 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'.

The FBI spent a lot of time chasing harmless people, including John Lennon. The amazing thing is not so much what they did, but all the people who supported what they did, in the name of 'protecting our country'. (Alberto Gonzales, anyone?)
 
Lisa Denton said:
Hoover once had a meeting with President Kennedy and then Attorney General Robert Kennedy. During the meeting he played an audio tape. The brothers eyed each other during several moments of grunts and groans and then asked WTF they was listening to. Hoover explained that it was the subversive MLK and two prostitutes. When the brothers failed to react as he expected Hoover added that it was two WHITE prostitutes.

The Attorney General of the united states explained to the head of the FBI that it was not illegal, even if they were white. As a furious Hoover stormed out the brothers couldn't help laffing, which added fuel to the hatred Hoover already felt for the President.

Some years later after the Kennedy assasination Hoover had an impromptu meeting with Presidential sucsessor LBJ, while the president was walking his dog along a residential street. Good ol boy LBJ stopped near some bushes and relieved himself. Hoover later had an aide check into the possibility of charging the president of the united states with indecent exposure, but was told it was a very bad idea.

Hoover was not just a nut, he was one hell of a nut.

:rose:
And to think, if only he had gotten one hell of a nut or two, America would not have had to put up with his fascism...
 
the idea that civil rights organizers were communists was common in the south. their goal was seen as making trouble, stirring up otherwise content Black people.

Hoover had files on thousands of innocent people who protested things, esp. the vietnam war. I think William Sloan Coffin, the Chaplin at Yale was one target.

Tapes of MLK and hookers even ended up in Coretta King's mail box. IOW, besides surveillance, there were 'dirty tricks' to discredit this 'known agitators.'

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It is said that Johnson toyed with the idea of replacing Hoover, but no one ever touched Hoover, till he voluntarily quit, in his 70s. when Johnson was asked why he kept hoover, Johnson said the famous line:

"It is better to have the camel inside the tent, pissing out, than outside the tent, pissing in."
 
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Pure said:
the idea that civil rights organizers were communists was common in the south. their goal was seen as making trouble, stirring up otherwise content Black people.

Hoover had files on thousands of innocent people who protested things, esp. the vietnam war. I think William Sloan Coffin, the Chaplin at Yale was one target.

Tapes of MLK and hookers even ended up in Coretta King's mail box. IOW, besides surveillance, there were 'dirty tricks' to discredit this 'known agitators.'

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It is said that Johnson toyed with the idea of replacing Hoover, but no one ever touched Hoover, till he voluntarily quit, in his 70s. when Johnson was asked why he kept hoover, Johnson said the famous line:

"It is better to have the camel inside the tent, pissing out, than outside the tent, pissing in."
Was MLK Jr. really doing hookers? Or was the FBI making that crap up?
 
MLK liked women. let's put it that way. know any married guys like that? (the FBI sometimes, with dirty tricks, made things up, but not in this case. still, seeing hookers is not illegal and the FBI evesdropping without warrant and using the tapes to discredit IS illegal.)
 
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Pure said:
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It is said that Johnson toyed with the idea of replacing Hoover, but no one ever touched Hoover, till he voluntarily quit, in his 70s. when Johnson was asked why he kept hoover, Johnson said the famous line:

"It is better to have the camel inside the tent, pissing out, than outside the tent, pissing in."
Too bad for the neighboring tents.
 
Pure said:
"It is better to have the camel inside the tent, pissing out, than outside the tent, pissing in."
And people wonder why I don't like camping...
 
Hoover kept the dish on everyone-- he had blackmail material hidden with instructions to break it out if he were killed. And everyone knew what Hoover was up to, as well.

To fire the man would have brought on a crisis of confidence that... well... was only put off, as it happens. I can't help but think that this country would have been far better off if that camel had been kicked out of the tent, back then.

But you can imagine the public of the time; "All this time you knew he was doing... WHAT???" Unthinkable, really. :rolleyes:
 
Stella_Omega said:
Hoover kept the dish on everyone-- he had blackmail material hidden with instructions to break it out if he were killed. And everyone knew what Hoover was up to, as well.

To fire the man would have brought on a crisis of confidence that... well... was only put off, as it happens. I can't help but think that this country would have been far better off if that camel had been kicked out of the tent, back then.

But you can imagine the public of the time; "All this time you knew he was doing... WHAT???" Unthinkable, really. :rolleyes:



Think of what would have happened if he had been running the CIA?
 
Stella_Omega said:
I've been hiding from this stuff for a while. It's scary, above the sand!


Now you have me looking at jobs on the CIA website.... :p
 
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