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The oldest swingers: sex games of Stone Age exposed

Roger Dobson

He may have come down from the trees, but prehistoric man did not stop swinging. New research into Stone Age humans has argued that, far from having intercourse simply to reproduce, they had sex for fun.

Practices ranging from bondage to group sex, transvestism and the use of sex toys were widespread in primitive societies as a way of building up cultural ties.

According to the study, a 30,000-year-old statue of a naked woman - the Venus of Willendorf - and an equally ancient stone phallus found in a German cave, provide the earliest direct evidence that sex was about far more than babies.

Timothy Taylor, reader in archeology at Bradford University, reviewed evidence from dozens of archeological finds and scientific studies for his research.

“The widespread lay belief that sex in the past was predominantly heterosexual and reproductive can be challenged,” said Taylor.

He argues that monogamy only became established as hunter-gatherer societies took up agriculture and settled in houses, allowing the social roles of men and women to become more fixed.

Experts believe research such as Taylor’s may help overturn false assumptions that sex for the purposes of reproduction is the form closest to nature.

Petra Boynton, a relationship counsellor and health lecturer at University College, London, found the study “refreshing”.

“So much evolutionary theory promotes the idea that humans, particularly women, are preprogrammed for monogamy, but that is often simply overlaying science on a preexisting view of society,” she said.

Taylor, whose research is published by Haworth Press in the Handbook of the Evolution of Human Sexuality, says the human attitude to sex arose from the complex interaction of physical and mental development. By comparison with modern humans, who appeared about 300,000-100,000 years ago, apes have tiny male genitals, no female breasts and are hairy. But they are easily able to distinguish the sexes because males can weigh up to three times as much as females.

Humans, by contrast, are far less easy to distinguish by size. Taylor says that prominent male genitals and female breasts developed to aid recognition of the opposite sex in creatures of similar size and shape. The similarity in size, combined with the ease of face-to-face sex, allowed intercourse to become a vital part of social interaction, communication and inventiveness.
 
Not that I disagree with the article or anything but is there anyone else beside me who thinks that the statue and the stone phallus might have carried a religious um...prayer rather than served as...toys? :rolleyes:

Because there are many religions that have statues of male genitals as a symble of power and fertility. Hindu comes immediately to mind, but there are others.
 
FatDino said:
Not that I disagree with the article or anything but is there anyone else beside me who thinks that the statue and the stone phallus might have carried a religious um...prayer rather than served as...toys? :rolleyes:

Because there are many religions that have statues of male genitals as a symble of power and fertility. Hindu comes immediately to mind, but there are others.

Venus of Willendorf:

Hey, when we were cool and fat, sex was a religion. Still is :cool:

No, really. Reproduction, life, death, ecstasy, circle-jerks, transvestitism...

That's what I really want to know about: stone-age transvestitism. I mean, what kind of fashions did they have then? What kind of dipilatory creams? WHo was the Stone Age Ed Wood Jr?
 
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FatDino said:
Not that I disagree with the article or anything but is there anyone else beside me who thinks that the statue and the stone phallus might have carried a religious um...prayer rather than served as...toys? :rolleyes:

Because there are many religions that have statues of male genitals as a symble of power and fertility. Hindu comes immediately to mind, but there are others.
I like the idea of sex as sex, rather than religion. Just for a change. We colour our findings with modern mores far too much, methinks.
 
starrkers said:
I like the idea of sex as sex, rather than religion. Just for a change. We colour our findings with modern mores far too much, methinks.

What? Sex isn't a religious experience?

You must not be doing it right then. ;)
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Venus of Willendorf:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:xX4OelmVhwYWlM:http://aeiou.iicm.tugraz.at/aeiou.encyclop.data.image.v/v136200a.jpg
Hey, when we were cool and fat, sex was a religion. Still is :cool:

No, really. Reproduction, life, death, ecstasy, circle-jerks, transvestitism...

That's what I really want to know about: stone-age transvestitism. I mean, what kind of fashions did they have then? What kind of dipilatory creams? WHo was the Stone Age Ed Wood Jr?

I think there has only been one Ed Wood Jr. :D

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/sweetsubsarahh/Glenda.jpg
 
starrkers said:
I like the idea of sex as sex, rather than religion. Just for a change. We colour our findings with modern mores far too much, methinks.
Yea, but we don't know what those stone statues mean or what they were used for, so it's too soon to say that cavemen actually "swung." :rolleyes:
 
FatDino said:
Yea, but we don't know what those stone statues mean or what they were used for, so it's too soon to say that cavemen actually "swung." :rolleyes:

I would imagine that 'group sex' occured during fertility rites and seasonal festivals--and the strong mated with the attractive--selective breeding if you will.

And the other forms of sexual activity occured as well--doubtful with any stigma attached at all--men and women were separated for long periods of time during hunts and the like--so I am sure bonds were formed and desires satisfied.

Then the church came along and declared it all dirty. :D
 
TE999 said:
Then the church came along and declared it all dirty. :D
I hereby declare you the Satan's child for making such a disrespectful comment toward the House of God.
 
FatDino said:
I hereby declare you the Satan's child for making such a disrespectful comment toward the House of God.


Me too, then.

I was thinking the same damn thing.

:D
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
Me too, then.

I was thinking the same damn thing.

:D
*snicker*

They say "great minds think alike." I think we have two here. ;)
 
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FatDino said:
I hereby declare you the Satan's child for making such a disrespectful comment toward the House of God.

Sheesh!

You make one little joke!

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. :eek:
 
if sex and religion arent of one then why do me moan OH GOD when we reach the final Climax ? :cool:
 
TE999 said:
Sheesh!

You make one little joke!

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. :eek:


Well, NOBODY expects . . .

Nah, never mind. You already know what I'm about to say.

:D
 
FatDino said:
Yea, but we don't know what those stone statues mean or what they were used for, so it's too soon to say that cavemen actually "swung." :rolleyes:

The cave paintings in Lascaux and Font-de-Gaum, Altamira, are filled with animal sex and sorcerers. Supposedly it was hunter magic to ensure the fertility of the herds

http://www.humanities-interactive.org/ancient/iceage/400/ex038_07a.jpg

No doubt the Venus of Wilendorf has a touch of fertility magic associated with her..
 
TE999 said:
Sheesh!

You make one little joke!

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. :eek:
You do not make jokes when it comes to God, especially the offensive ones.

Now you must confess your sin or the higher being will punish you.
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
Well, NOBODY expects . . .

Nah, never mind. You already know what I'm about to say.

:D

Ah, c'mon--you KNOW you wanna... ;)
 
TE999 said:
I would imagine that 'group sex' occured during fertility rites and seasonal festivals--and the strong mated with the attractive--selective breeding if you will.

And the other forms of sexual activity occured as well--doubtful with any stigma attached at all--men and women were separated for long periods of time during hunts and the like--so I am sure bonds were formed and desires satisfied.

Then the church came along and declared it all dirty. :D

Judging from the behavior of hunter gatherer groups, it is a bit simpler than that. In a hunter gatherer group, the men hunt animals. Sometine the animals hunt back. If a man does not return from the hunt, he leaves a woman and, perhaps a child. If each man in the hunter gatherer band thinks he may have been the father, the woman and child are assured of meat from the hunt. There is only one way that each man thinks he may have been the father.
 
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