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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20218432/site/newsweek/?gt1=10252

The world is becoming a scary scary place to be.

Maharat

 

[cloudy]

The last sentence of the article sums it up nicely for me: "Unless, of course, the next fad to sweep in causes him to reconsider."

 

[galaxygoddess]

The concept of beauty changes so often, I never even bothered to try to hop on any of the bandwagons.


Fashion is over rated...

Plastic surgery, is just pathetic. (as a vanity, not as a corrective, don't get me wrong here)

 

[rgraham666]

Jesus, what a self centered asshole!

 

[cloudy]

Jesus, what a self centered asshole!

I don't think anyone here has said he was self-centered, Rob, so I'm not sure who that's directed towards.

 

[jomar]

So my chest is back in vogue?

 

[Stella_Omega]

So my chest is back in vogue?

Yes, so make sure to mention it in the singles ads

 

[Misty_Morning]

Jesus, what a self centered asshole!

Why do you say that? Cosmetic surgery can enhance a persons self image and self confidence.

If you got the money, go for it I say.

 

[galaxygoddess]

I don't think anyone here has said he was self-centered, Rob, so I'm not sure who that's directed towards.

Me maybe?

I know I get taken out of context a lot (or maybe I speak out of context, I don't know I just confused myself).


Or maybe he's calling the person wanting the plastic surgery(err reversal?) self centered?

 

[jomar]

Yes, so make sure to mention it in the singles ads

Can I leave the gray ones or do I have to have them tinted and highlighted?

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Dunno if I can criticise much, especially given that, as my hairline backs up more and more, I think more often of trying out the Avacor route. I'm too young (and single) to be bald, and besides, I cut my hair because of it, and I miss my long hair.

Why do you say that? Cosmetic surgery can enhance a persons self image and self confidence.

If you got the money, go for it I say.

Question:

Don't you believe that this can lead to an unhealthy chain, though? I won't say the idea isn't appealing, being able to change (what you conside to be) your physical imperfections, but does that truly improve self-image? In some people I'm sure it does, but couldn't it have the opposite effect, the search for a higher high?

I mean, if you think about it, don't your bigger "flaws" make you less insecure about you smaller ones? For instance, if a woman wants a smaller nose and gets the surgery done, doesn't that pose the possibilty that whatever insecurity she felt might simply move on to what she considers her next biggest "flaw"? Then she gets breast implants, then liposuction... How many Houston's can the world possibly have (when one is too many in my opinion?

Q_C

 

[Stella_Omega]

The desire for constant change and the willingness to change ourselves, be it self-improvement, or binding feet, a new religion or Hair dye, psychoactive substances or nose jobs-- is one of the most human things we humans do.

Quiet_Cool, it certainly can and many times does lead to an "addiction." There's a woman out there somewhere that has turned herself in Barbie, even having her lowest ribs removed so that she could get the unnaturally slender waist. (with the addition of tight-laced corsetry)

And let us not forget the melting nose of Michael Jackson!

Plastic surgery, like Cocaine, is Nature's way of telling you you have too much money.

 

[Misty_Morning]

Gotta agree with some points and disagree with others.

I think that a person could become addicted to cosmetic surgery. But simply saying that it's wrong to have it, or a person is self centered, or just has way too much money is extremely judgemental, narrow minded and just plain wrong IMHO.

How about a person born with a rather large nose or acquiring one from injury. Maybe that person was teased during life or very self conscience about the change. Are you saying that person is wrong to want to have surgery?

Chin implants, eye and brow lifts, face lifts, dermabrasion, or removal of excess skin after dramatic weight loss. I see nothing wrong with them. To assume that if a person desires to have cosmetic surgery then they must have "bigger" issues to me is laughable.

Kinda sounds like some of you assume that everyone who elects to have cosmetic surgery is wealthy. My guess is that most are just ordinary everday middle class folks. Some may save up for the procedure for years. Or some may even have the procedure financed. If it makes them feel good about themselves why put it down? Why must you think it will lead to other things?


And while we're at it...do you feel the same way about adult orthodontics? or, hell, what about makeup? Let's go one more step...jewelery?

Stella...were you not a model once? Do you stop to think about the woman who was not blessed with what she thinks of as physical beauty? Maybe she knows she's not pretty and is ok with it for the most part. Maybe she has inner beauty that shines through. But what if she wanted to have cosmetic sugery just for "her"?

 

[S-Des]

Dunno if I can criticise much, especially given that, as my hairline backs up more and more, I think more often of trying out the Avacor route. I'm too young (and single) to be bald, and besides, I cut my hair because of it, and I miss my long hair.

The same thing happened to me. I don't even have any good pictures of myself with long hair, but I loved it. Now I just try to get a cut that doesn't make me look "more receeding" I won't do plastic surgery, it's a waste of money. While some people might have extreme problems that make it important, I can live with what I was given. If I ever have an extra $5000-$15,000 laying around, I hope I can find something better to do with it than enhance my vanity.

 

[jomar]

Ever since I saw grandaddy's comb over as a boy I knew that I'd one day be follically (sp?) challenged. Too be honest, it's never really bothered me. If a genie gave me a choice, sure, I'd have a full head of hair. But when it was time, in my early 40's, cutting it to 1/4 or 1/8 inch set me free. Low maintenance, more stylish these days. I'm okay with it. Of course, my theory is it's easier to pull off having a buzz cut if your in shape.

 

[galaxygoddess]

Ok, my husband has a badly deformed ear. He's had multiple plastic surgeries on it in an attempt to correct a birth defect. It's a medical problem and it causes him a great deal of pain all day, every day. Not from the surgeries, the surgeries were to stop that. He is to the point he'd rather have it cut off than to deal with the pain and deal with the "ugliness". I never see it, most of the people I know don't notice it until I pointed it out. However, a man he had never met before, in the spirit of being a total ass called him "dumbo" and let's just say, I had to mop up the emotional consequences of an asshole looking for a fight.

That is a good cause for plastic surgery.



However, when I see these little 15 year old teenboppers going "man, my nose is too wide, I want it cut down." That bothers me. They haven't even grown into their face yet! When i see someone with a beautiful face and body, whining that they need plastic surgery, THEN I say, ok that's just wrong. It people who don't NEED it, people who just want to change their look for the sake of "today's preceieved beauty" I just want to vomit on someone.



I need to find a video my mom showed me once of "beauty throughout the centuries". What was once considered "drop dead gorgeous" is now considered "ugly" or "plain", and that bothers me.

This false concept of "beauty" is just sickening.

 

[3113]

Jesus, what a self centered asshole!

Now, Rob, not all males can have a lovely beard like yours

 

[WRJames]

I told my wife that body hair was back in style -- she just laughed. When we got married, I had almost none -- now I could pass for Bigfoot.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Gotta agree with some points and disagree with others.

I think that a person could become addicted to cosmetic surgery. But simply saying that it's wrong to have it, or a person is self centered, or just has way too much money is extremely judgemental, narrow minded and just plain wrong IMHO.

How about a person born with a rather large nose or acquiring one from injury. Maybe that person was teased during life or very self conscience about the change. Are you saying that person is wrong to want to have surgery?

Chin implants, eye and brow lifts, face lifts, dermabrasion, or removal of excess skin after dramatic weight loss. I see nothing wrong with them. To assume that if a person desires to have cosmetic surgery then they must have "bigger" issues to me is laughable.

Kinda sounds like some of you assume that everyone who elects to have cosmetic surgery is wealthy. My guess is that most are just ordinary everday middle class folks. Some may save up for the procedure for years. Or some may even have the procedure financed. If it makes them feel good about themselves why put it down? Why must you think it will lead to other things?


And while we're at it...do you feel the same way about adult orthodontics? or, hell, what about makeup? Let's go one more step...jewelery?

Stella...were you not a model once? Do you stop to think about the woman who was not blessed with what she thinks of as physical beauty? Maybe she knows she's not pretty and is ok with it for the most part. Maybe she has inner beauty that shines through. But what if she wanted to have cosmetic sugery just for "her"?

I was, indeed, once a model, and I can tell you that the experience of objectification in a commercial context is a hell of a learning experience. It pretty well knocked any vanity right out of my skull-- physical vanity, at least, I am certainly quite self-involved in other ways But really-- I would go to interviews and show my portfolio (you can see it here) and I would hear that;

My eyes are too dark. My skin is too dark. My skin isn't dark enough. My ass is too big. my tits are too small. My legs are too heavy. My legs are too long. Can I do anything about my nails? Will I let them cut my hair? I should go blond. I should have blue eyes. I don't look American (whatever that means, but I got it a lot) I've put on weight since the last time they saw me. I've lost weight since the last time they saw me. I cut my hair since the last time they saw me...

Or, alternately, it would be complimentary things; My eyes are beautifully ethnic. I look so European. The fitting model was just my size! My hair is the perfect length for the hairstyle of the moment. I can give them that Debby Harry look that they wanted. I can look like a real, scary punk rocker I really know how to stand. I really know my facial angles....

Do you notice? The objections I would hear were about how I looked. The compliments I heard were about what I could do. Weird, huh?

I would like to have some plastic surgery myself, as a matter of fact. My second kid simply ruined my stomach-- I have a lot of scar tissue that is loose and painful, and I lost my belly-button entirely. I'd love to get rid of the stretch marks-- I'd like to find a surgeon that would give me a spiralling scar, instead of trying to make it invisible which I know will not work.... And I have thought about breast augmentation every once in a while. Maybe a little bit of a face lift in a couple more years.

But in the same way that my big skull ring is my own talisman, the surgery, if I ever did it, would be for ME.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Let me add to last night's rant-- and say that people outside the business often told me i was "beautiful" or "pretty" or (in Japan) "cute" with no especial modifiers... And, also, that my gender dysmorphia had been around for years before I ever became a model. Since I always felt that I was a man too successfully disguised as a woman-- my job seemed unendingly surreal...

 

[S-Des]

I was, indeed, once a model, and I can tell you that the experience of objectification in a commercial context is a hell of a learning experience. It pretty well knocked any vanity right out of my skull-- physical vanity, at least, I am certainly quite self-involved in other ways But really-- I would go to interviews and show my portfolio (you can see it here) and I would hear that;

My eyes are too dark. My skin is too dark. My skin isn't dark enough. My ass is too big. my tits are too small. My legs are too heavy. My legs are too long. Can I do anything about my nails? Will I let them cut my hair? I should go blond. I should have blue eyes. I don't look American (whatever that means, but I got it a lot) I've put on weight since the last time they saw me. I've lost weight since the last time they saw me. I cut my hair since the last time they saw me...

Or, alternately, it would be complimentary things; My eyes are beautifully ethnic. I look so European. The fitting model was just my size! My hair is the perfect length for the hairstyle of the moment. I can give them that Debby Harry look that they wanted. I can look like a real, scary punk rocker I really know how to stand. I really know my facial angles....

Do you notice? The objections I would hear were about how I looked. The compliments I heard were about what I could do. Weird, huh?

I've never seen your pics before, those are really great. It's funny, my first thought was that you don't look "American". I don't know much about the business, but it seems that models who look interesting are much more important than ones who just look pretty. It seems like you could communicate a lot with your pics . . . I wonder if that's natural or if it's because you practiced it?

I have a nasty scar on my stomach (about 4" long) from surgery I had as a baby. Even when I was in better shape, I never looked good in a bathing suit and rarely walked around without a shirt. I never thought about it, but maybe it bothered me on some level? *shrug* Now that I'm heavier, it stretches the skin in a funny direction, making my stomach look even stranger than it would from being 30lbs over weight. I have enormous sympathy for women who've had kids and what it does to their stomachs. I'd never consider them wanting plastic surgery as vanity, although I'd also encourage them to only do it if they wanted it. Since it comes from giving life, I look at all the things related to childbirth as a badge of honor.

 

[bluebell]

HSMOF. Gorgeousness, thy name is Stellyweather.

I was, indeed, once a model, and I can tell you that the experience of objectification in a commercial context is a hell of a learning experience. It pretty well knocked any vanity right out of my skull-- physical vanity, at least, I am certainly quite self-involved in other ways But really-- I would go to interviews and show my portfolio (you can see it here) and I would hear that...

The best word I have is: agape.