[offtopic discussion moved from Story Ideas]

[Ldy_Sea]

Another repost asking why Lovecraft68 entirely on topic post was deleted.

He only commented that the OP's story idea was a common theme in stories already posted. Yet his post was deleted along with another post of mine. Guess this thread is only for thise who kiss ass of the moderators.

Nice to know some people are above the rules around here. Guess that's how freedom of speech works. You can only speak your mind if you're friends with a mod. Nice to know.

But I will keep posting here until I get some real answers.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You have to be extraordinarily nasty to get deleted by the mods. Either that or so completely off subject that it cannot be kept. But you have to make an effort at either. Or just be a very ugly person.

That said I like idea, not only because I think the offer of money is a hugely novel thing around here and not something I would do if for no other reason knowing that a lot of authors are crap. Still bravo.

Second yes the idea here is something that I honestly can't remember the last time I saw. It's well developed without being written already. Story ideas tend to come in two bunches (the majority falling in the first group) of stories where the OP doesn't seem to know what they want. Those are "hey, how bout a girl pisses off a guy and he decides he can forgive her after rough sex" to which those of us who don't ignore often say "go to non-consent. Read the first fucking story." The second group is made up stories that the OP has actually written, often quite competently and the only thing left is to remove Girl and Man and replace them with Bob and Alice. So congrats OP. OUT FUCKING STANDING JOB!

The idea isn't the most original, but who cares. Here are the two kind of snags I'm seeing. First is telling this primarily from the husbands and PIs point of view instead of some combination of either flash blacks or jumping around. Becuse unless you're using the Dollhouse method mentioned above a HUGE part of what makes this story tick is how you break what was presumably a good if not Saintly woman and turn her into a slave. She has to be very, very broken. And how that happenes to her is fascinating. (Least to sick fucks like me) as is how your going to piece her back together after the rescue. Not to mention presumably a husband who is still searching for his wife after a year instead of writing her off as a done deal isn't having a whole lot of sex, maybe the PI is. (Actually instinct tells me the PI fucks the wife at least once. I mean when you come across a busty red head named Lucy and she's maybe heard of a slender blonde named Ethel but you gotta pay cus her bosses get pissed if she isn't making money. . .do you turn her down when she's been conditioned to sexually attack you?)

So I do think you need to find a way to get some fun into the middle of the story. Other than that good job.

 

[sr71plt]

You have to be extraordinarily nasty to get deleted by the mods. Either that or so completely off subject that it cannot be kept. But you have to make an effort at either. Or just be a very ugly person.

Apparently not on this forum.

As he's the last one to have a substantive post deleted from this thread, I wonder what LC thinks of your statement.

And we're sending out for popcorn for the vigil on whether your post will be erased along with all the others, which, I guess, would make you extraordinarily nasty in your own eyes.

And now you've put the mod in a real bind. If she leaves that first paragraph of yours after all she's erased, she's open to a charge of being a combatant on the thread she's supposed to be "moderating."

 

[Ldy_Sea]

If pilot hadn't quoted sean I would have no idea what he said. But there was not one singe curse word or racial epithet on this post. Onr of my posts that was deleted had two words PM Sent. Yes a PM Sent post was deleted by the Mod of this forum. I would like to know why I am being censored.

 

[lovecraft68]

You have to be extraordinarily nasty to get deleted by the mods. Either that or so completely off subject that it cannot be kept. But you have to make an effort at either. Or just be a very ugly person.

That said I like idea, not only because I think the offer of money is a hugely novel thing around here and not something I would do if for no other reason knowing that a lot of authors are crap. Still bravo.

Second yes the idea here is something that I honestly can't remember the last time I saw. It's well developed without being written already. Story ideas tend to come in two bunches (the majority falling in the first group) of stories where the OP doesn't seem to know what they want. Those are "hey, how bout a girl pisses off a guy and he decides he can forgive her after rough sex" to which those of us who don't ignore often say "go to non-consent. Read the first fucking story." The second group is made up stories that the OP has actually written, often quite competently and the only thing left is to remove Girl and Man and replace them with Bob and Alice. So congrats OP. OUT FUCKING STANDING JOB!

The idea isn't the most original, but who cares. Here are the two kind of snags I'm seeing. First is telling this primarily from the husbands and PIs point of view instead of some combination of either flash blacks or jumping around. Becuse unless you're using the Dollhouse method mentioned above a HUGE part of what makes this story tick is how you break what was presumably a good if not Saintly woman and turn her into a slave. She has to be very, very broken. And how that happenes to her is fascinating. (Least to sick fucks like me) as is how your going to piece her back together after the rescue. Not to mention presumably a husband who is still searching for his wife after a year instead of writing her off as a done deal isn't having a whole lot of sex, maybe the PI is. (Actually instinct tells me the PI fucks the wife at least once. I mean when you come across a busty red head named Lucy and she's maybe heard of a slender blonde named Ethel but you gotta pay cus her bosses get pissed if she isn't making money. . .do you turn her down when she's been conditioned to sexually attack you?)

So I do think you need to find a way to get some fun into the middle of the story. Other than that good job.

What I saw that was erased was not nasty in fact much of it seemed on target.

It seems my last post was deleted and all I said was that this is a very common storyline in mind control and reluctance and the OP could find a lot of it over there.

Strange to see when you see such hate filled spew in other posts and its all let go.

I thought this was a freedom of speech site.

Guess freedom depends on moods.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Just got a response form Laurel. I copied it and pasted her response below.

Ah, it's come to my attention that Dark Pleasures (not a Mod) and MyRubiLips (a Mod) are the same person. Sorry for the confusion in the previous PM. I'm aware that she (like others) have separate acounts for their modship and regular forum-ing, but I didn't know the names.

Again, moderators are allowed to move offtopic threads/posts from the forum. If you feel that your threads/posts are in fact ontopic, or that yours were moved while other similar posts were not, then please send me further info (links, etc) and I'll take a look.

Thanks!

Laurel

My response told her about all the posts deleted including those on topic before DarkPleasures/Myrubilips began to delete them. Now we know how close DarkPleasures and MyRUbiLips are. They're the same person. If/When I get a response from Laurel about this I will post that as well.

 

[lovecraft68]

Just got a response form Laurel. I copied it and pasted her response below.



My response told her about all the posts deleted including those on topic before DarkPleasures/Myrubilips began to delete them. Now we know how close DarkPleasures and MyRUbiLips are. They're the same person. If/When I get a response from Laurel about this I will post that as well.

I hope you're very proud of yourself. Must be a good feeling to be such a "cool" important person here.

So sad someone chose to delete your oh, so intellectual and important posts that you had to go on a crusade about it.

You and Pilot make a nice pair. Maybe you can join in next time he attacks me because of his petty jealousies.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

I hope you're very proud of yourself. Must be a good feeling to be such a "cool" important person here.

So sad someone chose to delete your oh, so intellectual and important posts that you had to go on a crusade about it.

You and Pilot make a nice pair. Maybe you can join in next time he attacks me because of his petty jealousies.

Hmm so you don't think that standing up and demanding that the rules be enforced fairly for all users is not worth the effort? Then why did you pst this?

What I saw that was erased was not nasty in fact much of it seemed on target.

It seems my last post was deleted and all I said was that this is a very common storyline in mind control and reluctance and the OP could find a lot of it over there.

Strange to see when you see such hate filled spew in other posts and its all let go.

I thought this was a freedom of speech site.

Guess freedom depends on moods.

Let's see all I asked is why posts were deleted and what rule was violated, so I can make sure that doesn't happen. I never clainmed to be important or that any of my posts was great. I have stated numerous times in deleted posts that one of my deleted posts was PM Sent. All I was doing is sharing with anyone interested an update on this situation.

Well LC I had respect for you until this post. I have never said a bad thing about you, and even enjoyed some of your posts. You warned me in another post that Pilot would turn on me and attack me, since he is a troll, then you post this? Seems that you're the one attacking me for no reason. What's up with that?

 

[sr71plt]

You warned me in another post that Pilot would turn on me and attack me, since he is a troll,

That's a fun fact.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

I've stated before, moderators are there to move offtopic content into a more suitable forum. Generally, this means moving offtopic threads - not moving individual posts on otherwise topical threads. Your posts were not deleted, just moved to non-public section of the site. Moderators do not have the ability to delete posts; they can edit the contents of them (removing spam links, etc.) and move them to other forums.

Forum #12 is a notice to users who sometimes come to us asking that their posts be deleted from the site. Users can edit their own posts, but we will not do a mass wipe of forum posts.

Going forward, I think we've clarified that issue. if you have further trouble with response posts made to topical threads in SI or elsewhere being moved off, please bring it to my attention directly.

I asked her to review the moved threads herself and decide who started the issue leading to off topic posts and if any post on there was truly deserving of being removed from the thread.

Awaiting her response...

 

[Sean Renaud]

What I saw that was erased was not nasty in fact much of it seemed on target.

It seems my last post was deleted and all I said was that this is a very common storyline in mind control and reluctance and the OP could find a lot of it over there.

Strange to see when you see such hate filled spew in other posts and its all let go.

I thought this was a freedom of speech site.

Guess freedom depends on moods.

The GB is the "Freedom of Speech" part the rest are all moderated and with good reason. Without mods you end up with people derailing threads, intentionally or not (my last post is the last one that was referencing the OP for the majority of it) you end up with nasty flame wars that prevent any meaningful conversation, yada yada. It is of vital importance that someone clean things up.

And I like you for the most part LC, I really wasn't talking to you.

 

[sr71plt]

In this case the flamethrower was the mod in an alt, and she was deleting on-topic posts--as will come out in Laurel's review, I'm sure.

And the GB isn't the only unmoderated forum. Also, I don't see in the forum rules that forum rule #12 doesn't apply to the moderated forums.

Bottom line is that you commented without being aware of what happened on the thread.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yes I did, I care since when? I don't interact with you a whole lot for whatever reason. But you must be aware of me. I'm not some timid poster afraid to say shit or even be wrong or admit that I was wrong. Hell until a few months ago I was convinced that the mod of Story ideas was just a rumor to keep us in check. i had seen very little evidence one was actually active. And for the most part we seem to be able to play reasonably nice amongst ourselves.

 

[sr71plt]

And maybe it can return to that when the moderator isn't deleting on-topic posts and playing around in the forum under an alt. If objections hadn't been raised, this undoubtedly would just continue.

(It's Laurel who outed the moderator, in case you didn't catch that.)

 

[Sean Renaud]

I did and we'll see how that plays out. As it stands though I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of Lady Sea

I honestly don't think we need a mod here we seem to for the most part be capable of playing nice without needing to be corralled.

 

[sr71plt]

I did and we'll see how that plays out. As it stands though I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of Lady Sea

I honestly don't think we need a mod here we seem to for the most part be capable of playing nice without needing to be corralled.

As one whose totally on-topic and noncombative post was in the original set of posts erased, I'm not playing teams. I'm pushing the Web site to be honest with its users (and a mod who is also a hassling alt on the moderated thread is even more dishonest than I was assuming about this post erasing business). That said, I didn't see any posts that Ldy Sea had in the original erased set that weren't legitimate posts either. I wouldn't even have erased DarkPleasures' posts, as suspicion-based and off-base (the bit about not allowing references to sending and receiving PMs on this forum) as they were. I think the whole erasing bit was just ill advised and that the offense was compounded by MyRubiLips/DarkPleasures.

 

[lovecraft68]

Regardless of whether the mod here was right or wrong that is a separate issue compared to the complete lack of professionalism to out a mod's other identity to just anyone.

Compounded by the fifth grade mentality of that poster immediately running here to tell the rest of the forum all about it.

Some people have reasons for keeping separate identities beyond pen names and trolling, some do it to avoid other people, especially R/L people and sometimes maybe so the entire lit world does not know every one of your kinks and fantasies etc...

Bottom line its damn close to sharing personal information, another violation...

But more importantly. The site has claimed on many occasions, that they do not see personal info or even IP addresses and have no way of knowing who is who. They use this as an excuse when people complain of 'alt bullies' and try to get people banned.

I think they just proved otherwise.

I'm a person who sets a low bar for pretty much everything with the philosophy of when you expect nothing from people you really can't be disappointed.

But time and again I am proven wrong.

I have no issue saying I am good friends with Rubi under any name.

I am beyond disappointed in what transpired here.

 

[sr71plt]

You alluded to this alt yourself (in an erased "if only you knew" post here)--asserting you were in the know, which evidently you were.

The issue here (if the outing by Laurel to Ldy Sea is true) is a mod being a partisan on the same forum the mod is "moderating"--and then taking improper action herself. What Ldy Sea posted on Laurel's outing indicated that Laurel just found that out herself.

Despite being bitten by this erasing yourself, you apparently were up to your neck in the game too--including smearing me in a post to Ldy Sea.

The issue with Laurel is what she now does about it. The issue with MyRubiLips/DarkPleasures (and with you as well) was already established here by the game players.

 

[lovecraft68]

You alluded to this alt yourself (in an erased "if only you knew" post here)--asserting you were in the know, which evidently you were.

The issue here (if the outing by Laurel to Ldy Sea is true) is a mod being a partisan on the same forum the mod is "moderating"--and then taking improper action herself. What Ldy Sea posted on Laurel's outing indicated that Laurel just found that out herself.

Despite being bitten by this erasing yourself, you apparently were up to your neck in the game too--including smearing me in a post to Ldy Sea.

The issue with Laurel is what she now does about it. The issue with MyRubiLips/DarkPleasures (and with you as well) was already established here by the game players.

An allusion is not an open admittance and what I was alluding to is the fact DP has several other names and had quite a few stories here.

As for what ldysea said, she quoted Laurel's reply-also erased so not sure if you saw that or not.

Erased or not what is read cannot be unread and to repeat my point what the mod was doing-whether right or wrong-is Laurel's business to decide what she wants to decide.

Outing someone to another poster that directly is another story. The problem here and it shows in every facet of this site as you well know is the GB is now all that matters here and its behavior has become the sites behavior, its funny to instigate, insult, bully here.

Its also a source of amusement for the site to watch you and I and everyone else bicker. Especially on things like contests. Why answer a direct question when you can watch people fight?

And as for you Pilot...my posts can be read by everyone and I never say anything privately I do not say publicly. I'll have to keep an eye on ldysea to wait for the first time you don't see eye to eye with her.

You're a boor pilot, an old used up, washed out also ran, never was who floods the site with lies and false bravado.

You're lame ass claimed in a post a few months back you were here in RI for some reason, "My sad little state"

Tell you what pilot, next time you're in my vicinity put your money where your mouth is and pm me. We'll meet up for a drink in a nice public place(so you don't have to be scared) and you can prove to me who you really are

Until then grow the fuck up.

 

[sr71plt]

Nice effort at covering yourself on being in the know about the MyRubiLips/DarkPleasure issue, LC, and choosing to overlook how sleazy that is for a moderator to do and, instead, riding one of your favorite hobby horse smear campaigns--going after Laurel.

You really are a sick fuck. You need help for this hate-filled insecurity of yours.

 

[sr71plt]

Oh, and for the record, LC, I don't think it's Rhode Island that's sad--it's you, with your failed and small-potatoes life and all of your pent-up hatred and acting out here that's sad. Just for the record.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Compounded by the fifth grade mentality of that poster immediately running here to tell the rest of the forum all about it.

Again an insult hurled at me when I have never said a negative thing about or to you. I guess sharing germain information with interested parties about an ongoing issue with a forum mod is something to be mocked.

Wasn't you who said Pilot would turn on me if I disagreed with him? I didn't even have to disagree with you for you to turn on me LC. Why is that? Can you give me an explanation or will you ignore me just like you did when I asked why the first time?

I have ill feelings toward Rubi/DP. I want to simply know what rule was violated so I don't violate it again. How hard is it to say that Forum rule XX, which can be found here, was the reason posts were deleted. I can't follow rules I don't know exsist.

I also want to know why,as you yourself have posted, it takes numerous reports to get a post filled with racist and sexist insults to be removed, but a simple conversation about what makes up a story idea is so horrible it has to be deleted.

Is that really too much to ask?