Off with their heads!!!

[BoyNextDoor]

The Saudis don't seem like nice people. I'm not sure I want to be their ally.

Beheadings at ‘record levels’: Saudi Arabia executes dozens in deadly August
Amnesty International said called on the Kingdom to halt all executions after four members of the same family were beheaded for “receiving drugs”.

Said Boumedouha, Deputy Director of Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Program, said the execution of people accused of petty crimes and on the basis of confessions extracted through torture had become shamefully common in Saudi Arabia.

“The use of the death penalty in Saudi Arabia is so far removed from any kind of legal parameters that it is almost hard to believe” Mr Boumedouha said.

Hajras al-Qurey, 53, was sentenced to death on 16 January last year in the south-eastern city of Najran on drug-trafficking charges.

He was arrested, together with his son Muhammad, on 7 January 2012 at the al-Khadra border crossing with Yemen, when customs officers suspected they were carrying drugs in their car.

His son was sentenced to 20 years in prison and 1000 lashes.

But according to Amnesty, both men claim they were tortured during their interrogation and were denied access to their lawyers.

Their families were also told to stop appealing to human rights organisations to save them from execution.

“That people are tortured into confessing to crimes, convicted in shameful trials without adequate legal support and then executed is a sickening indictment of the Kingdom’s state-sanctioned brutality,” Mr Boumedouha said.

“It is clear that the authorities are more interested in threatening victims’ families to shut them up rather than putting an end to this grotesque phenomenon.”

A deadly August is just the tip of the iceberg for Saudi Arabia which executed more than 2000 people between 1985 and 2013, figures provided by the human rights group reveal.

 

[Skiddles2014]

They arrested like 88 suspected terrorists in the past few days also.

Don't fuck with the kingdom.

 

[Busybody]

what exactly is wrong with beheading criminals?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

They arrested like 88 suspected terrorists in the past few days also.

Don't fuck with the kingdom.

And definitely don't steal bread of you are hungry.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

what exactly is wrong with beheading criminals?

Nothing; provided that the punishment fits the crime.

I will give you the perfect example of two Americans that should have been beheaded and are a perfect example of a justifiable use of the death penalty: Petit Family Murders

However, torture and no due process with crimes falling sort of cold blooded murder, that is exactly wrong.

 

[Ishmael]

Well now, why don't we just call for the over throw of the Saudi Royal House and covertly arm the rebels. That strategy has worked out so well for us, right?

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Well now, why don't we just call for the over throw of the Saudi Royal House and covertly arm the rebels. That strategy has worked out so well for us, right?

Ishmael

Crypto-fascist Ishmael always stands tall for the oligarchy.
Always.

 

[DooleyDarter]

Nothing; provided that the punishment fits the crime.

I will give you the perfect example of two Americans that should have been beheaded and are a perfect example of a justifiable use of the death penalty: Petit Family Murders

However, torture and no due process with crimes falling sort of cold blooded murder, that is exactly wrong.

That happened just down the road from me. CT is a progressive, democrap state, the two murderers will never be put to death

 

[SashaGaga999]

The Saudis don't seem like nice people. I'm not sure I want to be their ally.

Beheadings at ‘record levels’: Saudi Arabia executes dozens in deadly August
Amnesty International said called on the Kingdom to halt all executions after four members of the same family were beheaded for “receiving drugs”.

Said Boumedouha, Deputy Director of Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Program, said the execution of people accused of petty crimes and on the basis of confessions extracted through torture had become shamefully common in Saudi Arabia.

“The use of the death penalty in Saudi Arabia is so far removed from any kind of legal parameters that it is almost hard to believe” Mr Boumedouha said.

Hajras al-Qurey, 53, was sentenced to death on 16 January last year in the south-eastern city of Najran on drug-trafficking charges.

He was arrested, together with his son Muhammad, on 7 January 2012 at the al-Khadra border crossing with Yemen, when customs officers suspected they were carrying drugs in their car.

His son was sentenced to 20 years in prison and 1000 lashes.

But according to Amnesty, both men claim they were tortured during their interrogation and were denied access to their lawyers.

Their families were also told to stop appealing to human rights organisations to save them from execution.

“That people are tortured into confessing to crimes, convicted in shameful trials without adequate legal support and then executed is a sickening indictment of the Kingdom’s state-sanctioned brutality,” Mr Boumedouha said.

“It is clear that the authorities are more interested in threatening victims’ families to shut them up rather than putting an end to this grotesque phenomenon.”

A deadly August is just the tip of the iceberg for Saudi Arabia which executed more than 2000 people between 1985 and 2013, figures provided by the human rights group reveal.

One of the main reasons 'we' (the US) would want to be their ally is that, aside from being relatively massive, Saudi Arabia is arguably the most influential nation in the region.

YES--they differ from us significantly in terms of their attitudes towards freedoms and customs and laws. That being said, have had a semi-consistent government system for over a century, and are one of the most stable countries in the middle east.

Which is exactly why the US would want to be allies with them, in spite of our differences.

Yes, they have a ......... different attitude towards torture, as well as what constitutes a crime...but if the United States wants to continue to be the Mover-and-Shaker of the global socioeconomic landscape, it needs to realize that we are one of several VERY powerful nations, and that we need to begin to leverage that influence over those nations, rather than try to appear to be the most powerful nation in and of ourself.

 

[Busybody]

Nothing; provided that the punishment fits the crime.

I will give you the perfect example of two Americans that should have been beheaded and are a perfect example of a justifiable use of the death penalty: Petit Family Murders

However, torture and no due process with crimes falling sort of cold blooded murder, that is exactly wrong.

the punishment does fit the crime....according to them

get over it

 

[thør]

And definitely don't steal bread of you are hungry.

You just get your right hand chopped off for stealing bread. Then, you have to eat with the same hand you wipe your ass with.

 

[Busybody]

no one in SA is poor and has to steal bread

 

[Busybody]

US should do what SA does

STRATEGYPAGE: Counter-Terrorism: The Saudi Solution Will Never Fly In The West. “For the last few years the Saudis have arrested thousands of suspected Islamic terrorists, often because of tips by family or neighbors, and prosecuted hundreds (and tried to reform the others). There have been dozens of beheadings for terrorism. The trials and executions are public. The Saudi approach may be as medieval as al Qaeda tactics, but it has worked in Saudi Arabia and Saudis wishing to carry out Islamic terror activities are generally smart enough to leave the country to do it. With the new laws, returning home, which thousands of Saudi Islamic terrorists have done, is now less of an option.”

Plus: “Saudi Arabia was saved from worse trouble with local terrorists by the growing (after 2003) violence in Iraq between the Sunni Arab minority, and the Shia majority. This attracted many Saudi fanatics, most of whom died in Iraq. This greatly depleted the number of al Qaeda backers inside Saudi Arabia.”

 

[JohnnySavage]

In 2010 we were #5!!! Go freedom and liberty!

http://ourtimes.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/executions_2010.png?w=500

 

[JohnnySavage]

Held our place with the other civilized countries in 2013

http://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/imce-images/dpreport2013_map.jpg

 

[Busybody]

^^^^Loser poster.....no fucking clue

 

[Lancecastor]

Texas, Saudi....executions go up with oil production.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

US should do what SA does

STRATEGYPAGE: Counter-Terrorism: The Saudi Solution Will Never Fly In The West. “For the last few years the Saudis have arrested thousands of suspected Islamic terrorists, often because of tips by family or neighbors, and prosecuted hundreds (and tried to reform the others). There have been dozens of beheadings for terrorism. The trials and executions are public. The Saudi approach may be as medieval as al Qaeda tactics, but it has worked in Saudi Arabia and Saudis wishing to carry out Islamic terror activities are generally smart enough to leave the country to do it. With the new laws, returning home, which thousands of Saudi Islamic terrorists have done, is now less of an option.”

Plus: “Saudi Arabia was saved from worse trouble with local terrorists by the growing (after 2003) violence in Iraq between the Sunni Arab minority, and the Shia majority. This attracted many Saudi fanatics, most of whom died in Iraq. This greatly depleted the number of al Qaeda backers inside Saudi Arabia.”

And when they come for the Christian terrorists next, you will be cool with that?

 

[Busybody]

there are no chrisyian terrorists......stop the bs

 

[garbage can]

Heard this yesterday....

MAN BEHEADS HIMSELF

His car is parked near a light post or telephone pole.

He takes a chain, ties one end to the lamp post, other end around his neck.

Hops in the car and guns it.

Head rolls down street.

 

[Busybody]

And when they come for the Christian terrorists next, you will be cool with that?

are you going to show us CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS?

Not criminals who are CHRISTIAN

But TERRORISTS who KILL in the name of CHRISTIAN RELIGION

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

There's the Rosicrucians...

 

[YAK411976]

One of the main reasons 'we' (the US) would want to be their ally is that, aside from being relatively massive, Saudi Arabia is arguably the most influential nation in the region.

YES--they differ from us significantly in terms of their attitudes towards freedoms and customs and laws. That being said, have had a semi-consistent government system for over a century, and are one of the most stable countries in the middle east.

Which is exactly why the US would want to be allies with them, in spite of our differences.

Yes, they have a ......... different attitude towards torture, as well as what constitutes a crime...but if the United States wants to continue to be the Mover-and-Shaker of the global socioeconomic landscape, it needs to realize that we are one of several VERY powerful nations, and that we need to begin to leverage that influence over those nations, rather than try to appear to be the most powerful nation in and of ourself.

Political necessity makes for strange bedfellows. One wonders how things would have been had we not taken Saddam out.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Reason enough to be allied w/ Saudi?

Saudi Arabia Indicates It Will Grant U.S. Request for Anti-ISIS Training Program

AMMAN, Jordan — Saudi Arabia has indicated that it would agree to an American request to provide bases to train moderate Syrian opposition fighters, American officials said on Wednesday.

Saudi willingness to host a training program comes as Secretary of State John Kerry is preparing to fly to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, on Thursday morning for a high-level strategy session on how to counter to counter the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

The meeting that is being hosted by the Saudis will also include senior officials from Arab states in the Persian Gulf region, as well as Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and Iraq.

A senior State Department official said a number of initiatives to weaken ISIS would be stepped up, including efforts to stop the flow of money to the terrorist group by cracking down on oil smuggling and curtailing contributions from private donors.

On the military front, the State Department official said regional defense ministers would meet soon to discuss expanded basing and over-flight rights so the United States and other nations could broaden their airstrikes against ISIS.

Plans for training and arming moderate Syrian rebels so they can confront ISIS and the government of President Bashar al-Assad in Damascus are also expected to be discussed in Jeddah.

“We are in a position, I think, to be pretty specific with the Saudis about what we’d like,” a senior State Department official said, referring to the training and arming effort. “We’re fairly confident they will be forward leaning on this.”

The White House said in a statement that President Obama called King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and that the two leaders “had agreed on the need for increased training and equipping of the moderate Syrian opposition.”

The Saudis, who have grave concerns that ISIS may present a threat to the stability of the kingdom, are emerging as a key member of the anti-ISIS coalition the Obama administration is trying to form because of their financial resources and Islamic regional credentials.

The replacement of Nuri Kamal al-Maliki as Iraq’s prime minister has made it easier for the Saudis to cooperate with Iraq. King Abdullah had complained that Mr. Maliki was untrustworthy and too much under the influence of Iran in a 2009 conversation with John O. Brennan, the C.I.A. director who was then serving as Mr. Obama’s counterterrorism adviser, according a cable made public by Wikileaks, the antisecrecy organization.

Yet the more forcible approach Mr. Obama has recently adopted on intervention in Syria has also made it easier for the two sides to cooperate.

To the dismay of the Saudis, Mr. Obama had refrained from carrying out airstrikes last year after forces loyal to Mr. Assad used chemical weapons. And in 2012, Mr. Obama overruled most of his principal national security officials when they proposed arming and training moderate rebels in Syria.

But now Mr. Obama appears to have opened the door to airstrikes against ISIS in Syria and is asking Congress to approve hundreds of millions of dollars in funds so the Pentagon can train and arm Syrian rebels.

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The meeting in Jeddah is just one stop in which Mr. Kerry has sought to rally international efforts against ISIS.

On Wednesday, Mr. Kerry held a whirlwind series of meetings in Baghdad with Haidar al-Abadi, the new Iraqi prime minister, and other top Iraqi officials.

Afterward, Mr. Kerry told reporters that Iraqi leaders had made sufficient political progress toward forming an inclusive government to warrant further cooperation with Iraq against ISIS, including efforts to help train Iraqi security forces.

“We stand by Iraq as it continues to build a government that meets the needs of each of Iraq’s diverse communities, “ Mr. Kerry said.

Mr. Kerry hailed the Iraqis decision to create new national guard units that would be recruited locally and given the main responsibility for security in their home areas.

“The United States is prepared to provide technical advice and assistance in order to help the Iraqis move this very important initiative forward,” Mr. Kerry said.

In an echo of the Sunni Awakening program from the Iraq war, in which tribes made common cause with American forces to fight Al Qaeda in Iraq, some of the national guard units would be drawn from local tribes.

But in one major difference, the national guard soldiers would formally be part of Iraq’s security structure and would be trained on Iraqi military bases. Reporting to local governors, they would also receive salaries and pensions from the government.

The plan is intended to rebuild the fighting capability the Iraqi government lost after many of its soldiers deserted or quit fighting in the face of the ISIS onslaught.

The decentralization of security responsibilities is also intended to ease sectarian tensions by giving Sunnis more control over their own affairs and reducing the need for a largely Shiite army to be deployed on their territory

“The people of Anbar will take on ISIL,” one senior American official told reporters traveling with Mr. Kerry, using an alternative name for ISIS. “The people of Nineveh will take on ISIL in Nineveh, and they will have assistance from the national army when they need it.

“One thing Abadi has said repeatedly,” added the official, who, following State Department protocol, asked for anonymity, “is that he is not going to use military units from the south and go into areas in the north and west” to fight ISIS.

 

[hellnah]

I have a simple yet effective theory.

A nation can impress me or not at first sight. If it can't - then it's not a great country. So far america and/or saudi arabia have failed to impress me = not great countries.

So I couldn't care less what someone's gonna quote know about "gdp", "idp", "hihihi" or whatever...