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Filler in Animal Feed Is Open Secret in China

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Pieces of melamine [white plastic] displayed by a worker. The melamine is ground into a powder and added to animal feed as a filler to keep costs low.}


By DAVID BARBOZA and ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO
NY Times
Published: April 30, 2007

ZHANGQIU, China, April 28 — As American food safety regulators head to China to investigate how a chemical made from coal found its way into pet food that killed dogs and cats in the United States, workers in this heavily polluted northern city openly admit that the substance is routinely added to animal feed as a fake protein.

The Shandong Mingshui Great Chemical Company makes a chemical called melamine and sometimes sells melamine scrap to other producers who use it to make animal feed.

For years, producers of animal feed all over China have secretly supplemented their feed with the substance, called melamine, a cheap additive that looks like protein in tests, even though it does not provide any nutritional benefits, according to melamine scrap traders and agricultural workers here.

“Many companies buy melamine scrap to make animal feed, such as fish feed,” said Ji Denghui, general manager of the Fujian Sanming Dinghui Chemical Company, which sells melamine. “I don’t know if there’s a regulation on it. Probably not. No law or regulation says ‘don’t do it,’ so everyone’s doing it. The laws in China are like that, aren’t they? If there’s no accident, there won’t be any regulation.”

Melamine is at the center of a recall of 60 million packages of pet food, after the chemical was found in wheat gluten linked this month to the deaths of at least 16 pets in the United States.

No one knows exactly how melamine (which is not believed to be particularly toxic) became so fatal in pet food, but its presence in any form of American food is illegal.

The link to China has set off concerns among critics of the Food and Drug Administration that ingredients in pet food as well as human food, which are increasingly coming from abroad, are not being adequately screened.

“They have fewer people inspecting product at the ports than ever before,” says Caroline Smith DeWaal, the director of food safety for the Center for Science in the Public Interest in Washington. “Until China gets programs in place to verify the safety of their products, they need to be inspected by U.S. inspectors. This open-door policy on food ingredients is an open invitation for an attack on the food supply, either intentional or unintentional.”

Now, with evidence mounting that the tainted wheat gluten came from China, American regulators have been granted permission to visit the region to conduct inspections of food treatment facilities.

The Food and Drug Administration has already banned imports of wheat gluten from China after it received more than 14,000 reports of pets believed to have been sickened by packaged food. And last week, the agency opened a criminal investigation in the case and searched the offices of at least one pet food supplier.

The Department of Agriculture has also stepped in. On Thursday, the agency ordered more than 6,000 hogs to be quarantined or slaughtered after some of the pet food ingredients laced with melamine were accidentally sent to hog farms in eight states, including California.

Scientists are now trying to determine whether melamine could be harmful to humans.

The pet food case is also putting China’s agricultural exports under greater scrutiny because the country has had a terrible food safety record.
In recent years, for instance, China’s food safety scandals have involved everything from fake baby milk formulas and soy sauce made from human hair to instances where cuttlefish were soaked in calligraphy ink to improve their color and eels were fed contraceptive pills to make them grow long and slim.
For its part, Chinese officials dispute any suggestion that melamine from the country could have killed pets. But regulators here on Friday banned the use of melamine in vegetable proteins made for export or for use in domestic food supplies.

Yet what is clear from visiting this region of northeast China is that for years melamine has been quietly mixed into Chinese animal feed and then sold to unsuspecting farmers as protein-rich pig, poultry and fish feed.
Many animal feed operators here advertise on the Internet, seeking to purchase melamine scrap. The Xuzhou Anying Biologic Technology Development Company, one of the companies that American regulators named as having shipped melamine-tainted wheat gluten to the United States, had posted such a notice on the Internet last March.
Here at the Shandong Mingshui Great Chemical Group factory, huge boiler vats are turning coal into melamine, which is then used to create plastics and fertilizer.
 
Okay, so it shouldn't have been in the food (legally) and the U.S. is to blame for letting it get by...but why was it fatal and why now? If it's been in stuff for years, surely American Pet food has contained it before now. Why did this batch create fatalities?
 
maybe they threw in a few chunks too many of the plastic in question, for certain lots.

it seems cats are sensitive, but the deaths or illnesses that are related (to melamine containing animal products) are simply not known, including in humans.

:rose:
 
Is it cheaper to ship wheat gluten from the other side of the planet? Or does wheat in this hemisphere have inferior gluten?

I smell Halliburton!
 
3113 said:
Okay, so it shouldn't have been in the food (legally) and the U.S. is to blame for letting it get by...but why was it fatal and why now? If it's been in stuff for years, surely American Pet food has contained it before now. Why did this batch create fatalities?


Why was last year's fatal batch of spinach said to have been "contaminated by animal manure," which is also used as fertilizer?

Why is it no longer safe to eat raw oysters, even in months with an "r?"

Why is caesar salad no longer made with raw eggs except by people with a death wish?

Who needs terrorism? We're poisoning ourselves and don't even know how.
 
Pure said:
Personally, in my breakfast cereal, i prefer good ole' American styrofoam.

Are you referring to the "marshmallow charms" in Lucky Charms cereal?
 
Ooh! Ooh! Here I come with my chemistry boner! :D :D :D

:nana: :nana: :nana:

You remember your Mr. Wizard stuff? Plastics are polymers, long. long chain-like molecules made up of smaller molecules called monomers. Because polymer chemistry is pretty sloppy and imprecise (you throw in a couple of tons of this and a ton or two of that), polymer chemists are pretty sloppy and imprecise in their nomenclature too. Technically, "melamine" is the trivial name for 1,3,5-triazine-2,4,6-triamine, a monomer used in a lot of different types of plastics (yeah, I had to look it up on Wikipedia too. No one remembers those trivial names), but because it's used in a whole family of plastics, all these plastics it's used in are commonly referred to as "melamines" too. In fact, there even used to be a line of dinner ware called Melamine, I think.

The usual way to test food for protein is to test for Nitrogen (Kjedahl test), and Melamine is unusually righ in nitrogen both as monomer or as polymer (plastic), so tossing in some melamine plastic would make your petfood test high for nitrogen, although it really doesn't do squat for the protein content because (a) melamine's not protein and (b) the plastic's indigestible. So normally it at least wouldn't do any damage. The plastic would just pass right though you or the animal and that would be the end of it.

If there's Melamine monomer in there, though, that's another story. Those small molecules are almost always absorbable in the gut, and I'd imagine Melamine monomer could be pretty toxic. If you throw melamine monomer into the petfood, there's going to be trouble.

Plastics are mixtures of different sized polymer chains, and depending on where they're from, there might be all sorts of other stuff in there too - residual solvent, plastisizers, catalysts, unreacted monomers. If you're just looking for some carloads of crap to throw into your wheat gluten to jack up the nitrogen content, I suppose you'd probably be happy to settle for some batch that never passed QA that you could get on the cheap. Maybe the polymerization never even got off the ground and it was just full of unreacted monomer. Maybe the factory would even pay you to take the crap off their hands so they wouldn't have to dispose of it. A failed batch of polymer is hell to get rid of. It wouldn't surprise me.

So you take this batch of gunk over to the gluten mill and dump it in. Why not. No FDA in China. That's why they make it over there. And check out that protein content! Sky high!

But of course, thank God we can always rely on the business people themselves to police themselves and keep the consumer safe, huh folks?
 
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thanks for the info, dr. i would also not rule out the possibillity that zillions of particles of plastic, perhaps non toxic in themselves, somehow fuck up the absorption mechanisms of the kidney.

the market is never wrong, after all, there's just the little problem of timelag between problem and solution.

here's a little footnote: the Canadian Veterinary Association has been giving its stamp of approval on some petfoods. recently they clarified: they were simply saying the nutritional content (protein, fat) was as stated; they were
not saying anything about the presence of other substances, toxic chemicals, etc. actually, given that melamine tests as protein, maybe even the protein claims, certified by the CVA, were bogus.
 
shereads said:
Why was last year's fatal batch of spinach said to have been "contaminated by animal manure," which is also used as fertilizer?

Why is it no longer safe to eat raw oysters, even in months with an "r?"

Why is caesar salad no longer made with raw eggs except by people with a death wish?

Who needs terrorism? We're poisoning ourselves and don't even know how.

Eric Schlosser toured several meat packing plants while writing "Fast Food Nation". I had to put the book down after this now famous passage, "The medical literature on the causes of food poisoning is full of euphamisms and dry scientific terms. Behind them lies a simple explanation for why eating a hamburger can now make you seriously ill: There is shit in the meat." I had to put the book down again after only a few pages further when I read, "Poorly trained company inspectors were allowing the shipment of beef contaminated with fecal material, hair, insects, metal shavings, urine, and vomit."

Remember when Bart Simpson ate that one jagged metal Krusty-O in his cereal? Pet food, spinach, beef, grapefruits, mercury laden fish, hormone rich milk. Agribusiness is big business. And there's rarely nothing big business likes better than business as usual.
 
cumallday said:
Eric Schlosser toured several meat packing plants while writing "Fast Food Nation". I had to put the book down after this now famous passage, "The medical literature on the causes of food poisoning is full of euphamisms and dry scientific terms. Behind them lies a simple explanation for why eating a hamburger can now make you seriously ill: There is shit in the meat." I had to put the book down again after only a few pages further when I read, "Poorly trained company inspectors were allowing the shipment of beef contaminated with fecal material, hair, insects, metal shavings, urine, and vomit."

Remember when Bart Simpson ate that one jagged metal Krusty-O in his cereal? Pet food, spinach, beef, grapefruits, mercury laden fish, hormone rich milk. Agribusiness is big business. And there's rarely nothing big business likes better than business as usual.

Fast Food Nation put me off cheeseburgers for a while, but for lasting meat-o-phobia I recommend a follow-up treatment: Molly Ivans' "Bushwhacked." In the chapter on regulatory leniency, you will learn that early in the GWB administratin, USDA meat inspectors received a directive outlining a new, more tolerant attitude toward "fecal contamination." Formerly, an inspector would stop a processing line if he saw what appeared to be evidence of fecal matter. Sometimes a closer examination revealed that the inspector's suspicions were unfounded, and processors were paying too high a price in lost productivity. Under the new policy, there must be sufficient fecal matter so that its "fibrous content is visible to the naked eye."

Keeping the Big Mac affordable is a key to freedom.

So by all means, if that T-bone you're about to grill has visibly fibrous fecal matter clinging to it, dab it off with a washcloth before you dine. After you recover from what will hopefully be a mild bout of e-coli, be sure to contact the USDA and tell them somebody was asleep on the job.

:)

I wish someone would write a horrifying book about Haagen Daz Chocolate Peanut Butter ice cream.
 
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dr_mabeuse said:
Ooh! Ooh! Here I come with my chemistry boner! :D :D :D

:nana: :nana: :nana:

You remember your Mr. Wizard stuff? Plastics are polymers, long. long chain-like molecules made up of smaller molecules called monomers. Because polymer chemistry is pretty sloppy and imprecise (you throw in a couple of tons of this and a ton or two of that), polymer chemists are pretty sloppy and imprecise in their nomenclature too. Technically, "melamine" is the trivial name for 1,3,5-triazine-2,4,6-triamine, a monomer used in a lot of different types of plastics (yeah, I had to look it up on Wikipedia too. No one remembers those trivial names), but because it's used in a whole family of plastics, all these plastics it's used in are commonly referred to as "melamines" too. In fact, there even used to be a line of dinner ware called Melamine, I think.

The usual way to test food for protein is to test for Nitrogen (Kjedahl test), and Melamine is unusually righ in nitrogen both as monomer or as polymer (plastic), so tossing in some melamine plastic would make your petfood test high for nitrogen, although it really doesn't do squat for the protein content because (a) melamine's not protein and (b) the plastic's indigestible. So normally it at least wouldn't do any damage. The plastic would just pass right though you or the animal and that would be the end of it.

If there's Melamine monomer in there, though, that's another story. Those small molecules are almost always absorbable in the gut, and I'd imagine Melamine monomer could be pretty toxic. If you throw melamine monomer into the petfood, there's going to be trouble.

Plastics are mixtures of different sized polymer chains, and depending on where they're from, there might be all sorts of other stuff in there too - residual solvent, plastisizers, catalysts, unreacted monomers. If you're just looking for some carloads of crap to throw into your wheat gluten to jack up the nitrogen content, I suppose you'd probably be happy to settle for some batch that never passed QA that you could get on the cheap. Maybe the polymerization never even got off the ground and it was just full of unreacted monomer. Maybe the factory would even pay you to take the crap off their hands so they wouldn't have to dispose of it. A failed batch of polymer is hell to get rid of. It wouldn't surprise me.

So you take this batch of gunk over to the gluten mill and dump it in. Why not. No FDA in China. That's why they make it over there. And check out that protein content! Sky high!

But of course, thank God we can always rely on the business people themselves to police themselves and keep the consumer safe, huh folks?



Wow.
That was hot.

:D
 
cumallday said:
Eric Schlosser toured several meat packing plants while writing "Fast Food Nation". I had to put the book down after this now famous passage, "The medical literature on the causes of food poisoning is full of euphamisms and dry scientific terms. Behind them lies a simple explanation for why eating a hamburger can now make you seriously ill: There is shit in the meat." I had to put the book down again after only a few pages further when I read, "Poorly trained company inspectors were allowing the shipment of beef contaminated with fecal material, hair, insects, metal shavings, urine, and vomit."

Remember when Bart Simpson ate that one jagged metal Krusty-O in his cereal? Pet food, spinach, beef, grapefruits, mercury laden fish, hormone rich milk. Agribusiness is big business. And there's rarely nothing big business likes better than business as usual.

Oh, really, that's just the language of food science. Honestly. You'd barf if you saw what was in your local, all organic, no-pesticide, caressed-by-virgins, $20-a-pound produce too. Remember that the less pesticide residues you're eating, the more insect and insect filth you're consuming, and insect eggs, larvae, and and egg sacs.

Or here: Just go check out the FDA Food Defect Action Level, the allowable limits of contamination in all sorts of different food. Here's a sample - here's what you mighgt be eating in your all-organic (or totally inorganic) macaroni and cheese:

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MACARONI AND NOODLE PRODUCTS Insect filth: (AOAC 969.41) Average of 225 insect fragments or more per 225 grams in 6 or more subsamples
Rodent filth: (AOAC 969.41) Average of 4.5 rodent hairs or more per 25 grams in 6 or more subsamples

DEFECT SOURCE: Insect fragments - preharvest and/or post harvest and/or processing infestation. Rodent hair - post harvest and/or processing contamination with animal hair or excreta
SIGNIFICANCE: Aesthetic
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See? It's not bad for you. It's just aestheticly unpleasing

BTW: It occurs to me that this sudden spate of food contamination cases- the Melamine, the Taco Bell e. coli contamination of their green onions, the Spinach contamination last winter... Could there be any connection betrween these and the cutbacks in the FDA budget under this administration? The FDA budget - the departement that safeguards all the nation's food, drugs, and cosmetics - now gets just 0.063% of the Federal budget.

Is that wise???
 
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dr_mabeuse said:
Could there be any connection betrween these and the cutbacks in the FDA budget under this administration? The FDA budget - the departement that safeguards all the nation's food, drugs, and cosmetics - now gets just 0.063% of the Federal budget.

Is that wise???

No it isn't wise.

But it is the Shrubbies bringing their Great Truth into existence. That Great Truth is that government regulation is bad for business and that government regulation isn't necessary anyway. Market forces will ensure that our food is free of bacteria, disease and poison.

And if it doesn't that isn't the market forces fault. It's the world's fault for not obeying a Great Truth.

Stupid world. ;)
 
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