October Surprise #2, North Korea Detonates Nuclear Device

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October Surprise #2, North Korea Detonates Nuclear Device




With a pretty quiet newsday in progress, little more than Republicans and Democrats spinning the Foley scandal, I busied myself with other things, keeping an eye out as Dale Earnhardt Jr., leading in the last lap at Talladega, got wrecked and fell from 1st place to like 22nd place. Someone beat someone in the NFL in the early game and someone beat the Steelers in the late game and I finally dipped back in to Fox news just in time to see the breaking story.

Bouncing back and forth between Fox and Cnn over the past few hours, I gleaned a few bits of information, all subject to revision and spin…

The US, China and Japan were apparently advised about 20 minutes prior to the detonation….

Seismic stations around the world reported a tremor measuring approximately 4.2, located near the publicized test site some 240 miles NE of the North Korean Capitol…

China and Japan called the explosion a ‘provocation’ and expressed varying degrees of dissatisfaction…

Fox and Cnn both advised of a forthcoming ‘Presidential statement’ from the White House, nothing as of yet…

Apparently US undersea forces recovered the remains of the long range missile test conducted by North Korea during the summer but the results are classified…

US Stealth, ‘sniffer’ aircraft were headed into North Korean airspace to sample atmospheric ‘leakage’ of the underground explosion…

The following may be classified as spin…

Japan has 10 tons of Plutonium stored from its own reactors since the UN and the US pressured the Japanese to cease weapons development as did South Korea and Taiwan…

Complete nuclear reactors were shipped to North Korea by the United States during the Clinton administration and during the same time period, no action was taken against a Pakistani nuclear scientist who was selling nuclear technology on the open market to North Korea and Iran…

In considering economic sanctions against North Korea, China, who supplies 85-90 percent of Petroleum products to North Korea probably would not stop supplying them as it would cause hardship and starvation and China does not want North Koreans coming across the border into China…

With mid-term general elections less than a month away, what few politicians, both left and right that could be found late on a Sunday night immediately began spinning the event in relation to the Bush Administration and the impact on the elections…

The fear seems to be that once North Korea has demonstrated that they do in fact have a weapon that all other nations in the region, must, as a deterrent, also have one of them puppies…

The spin seems to be that this event will remove the Foley event from the headlines and the talking heads…

We shall see what we shall see…but there could be a Republican ‘bounce’ in the polls as Democrats have been traditionally weak on foreign policy and military strength issues…


Amicus…
 
I was really afraid this was coming up. It will be interesting to see the political fallout on our elections. They've been up and down like a yo-yo anyway. Now the question is, do we have to protect South Korea?
 
S-Des said:
I was really afraid this was coming up. It will be interesting to see the political fallout on our elections. They've been up and down like a yo-yo anyway. Now the question is, do we have to protect South Korea?

We are protecting South Korea.

Political fallout... none.

Why?

'Cause Amicus is dreaming if he things normal americans and values americans are going to give a crap about NK over a sex scandal in congress involving a gay Republican congressmen, 16 year old boys, and a "good 'ole" cover-up with the best the original Spin Doctors can come up with is "The Democrats are spinnign this to make us look bad! *waaaah*"

No... hitting on 16 year old boys makes you look bad... covering up makes you look bad... Democrats are just shining a light on the cockroaches.

So.... I just can't buy that NK will mean shit to Americans when the fucking Aruba blonde girl got more air time than the war in Iraq.
 
SEATO South East Asian Treaty Organization, if it is still functional, would dictate that the US and other SEATO nations defend South Korea...

note of interest...the estimated strength of the detonation is measured at approximately 550 tons of tnt...the Hiroshima device in 1945 was 12,500 tons, they are calling this more of a 'fizzle' than an atomic explosion as since the 50's they have been measured in megatons...or, millions of tons...

Interesting...ElSol...we shall see...I think the emphasis of the news will shift to Asia and the Foley scandal fade with occasional spurts...maybe...maybe not...we shall see...


amicus
 
Complete nuclear reactors were shipped to North Korea by the United States during the Clinton administration and during the same time period, no action was taken against a Pakistani nuclear scientist who was selling nuclear technology on the open market to North Korea and Iran.
9/11 occured nine months after GWB took office. The Rove orchestrated response: it was Bill Clinton's fault.

Now, in the sixth year of the Bush II regime, the North Koreans defy China and break the non-proliferation treaty they signed by testing a nuclear bomb. This time, the Rove response will be: it was Bill Clinton's fault.

So while the US is bogged down in post "Mission Accomplished" Iraq and struggling with a resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan in our still-fruitless hunt for Osama Bin Laden, NK tests an atomic bomb and Iran moves closer to doing so every day. But I'm sure it's all Bill Clinton's fault.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
Well, Rumple, I had the courtesy to identify what I considered 'spin' and partisan politics...but I guess you are free to do as you wish...

Although most will agree...Democrats in general, from FDR on have been weak on keeping the military at strength...if you know much at all about our preparedness in 1941...and what happened under a Democrat in 1946-52, and following Carter and then again Clinton, then you will know that they all gutted both the military and the intelligence agencies...rather a matter of fact and not politics...

amicus...
 
Come on, Ami. Talk about something that matters. Like...are you going to enter the pumpkin carving contest? And what's your Halloween AV going to be? :)
 
Naw...3113...I thrive on controversy...by the way...you need to change your location on your avatar, it is obsolete...doesn't even have a name any more, just another Kuiper Belt object...


amicus...

:nana:
 
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. As Amicus pointed out, the GOP has a historical edge on the stick side of any carrot/stick approach to foreign policy. However, in this election season, it could be that this NK provocation works against the Repubs. Frankly, it seems the electorate has had quite enough of the stick as wielded by BushCo. There's little stomach for yet another warfront, and statecraft in this administration would be comical if the stakes weren't so serious. Rice's credibility is at it's lowest ebb right now with her moronic reaction to her earlier moronic reaction exposed once again in Woodward's book. Which is to say, it's nonexistent. :rolleyes:

The reaction so far to BushCo's election-season racheting up of the fear machine has been lukewarm. They've been beating the drum so long without any tangible progress on any front that the strategy risks pointing out their abysmal results to even their most stalwart supporters.

If the Dems have any balls, they will pounce on this as proof of BushCo's failed policies. I'm not holding my breath. :rolleyes:
 
amicus said:
Naw...3113...I thrive on controversy...by the way...you need to change your location on your avatar, it is obsolete...doesn't even have a name any more, just another Kuiper Belt object...


amicus...

:nana:

ROFL, the first post-Pluto-planet dis! Softly done, but with razor precision, Ami. :devil:
 
Egads...Huck...good think I don't need affirmative responses to my posts, rather all one sided on this one...sighs...most of them...

Have you actually read Woodward's book or seen him interviewed? The man is a blatant shill for the Dems and makes no bones about it...

Hard to tell how the voting public will react...America does occupy a rather lofty place in the world since the end of the Cold War, could well be that they, like you, appear not to be up to it...we shall see...

amicus...
 
amicus said:
Egads...Huck...good think I don't need affirmative responses to my posts, rather all one sided on this one...sighs...most of them...

Have you actually read Woodward's book or seen him interviewed? The man is a blatant shill for the Dems and makes no bones about it...

Hard to tell how the voting public will react...America does occupy a rather lofty place in the world since the end of the Cold War, could well be that they, like you, appear not to be up to it...we shall see...

amicus...

I've seen him interviewed several times, but haven't actually read the book. Interesting that he comes across as a Dem shill this time around - I'd have pegged him for the opposite in his last two book tours. He seems to be more of a buoy than a journalist, indicating which way the currents are flowing in DC. Still, his access is beyond anyone else. He claims not to impart any analysis, but the events he relates speak loudly in the context he places them in.

As far as 'up to it' is concerned, I've come to think that America's power is greatest when it isn't used. Iraq, like Viet Nam, has merely exposed the limitations of the high-tech military. Even worse, it's made Iran and NK even more determined to get a nuke, in order to defend themselves from the US.
 
"...As far as 'up to it' is concerned, I've come to think that America's power is greatest when it isn't used. Iraq, like Viet Nam, has merely exposed the limitations of the high-tech military. Even worse, it's made Iran and NK even more determined to get a nuke, in order to defend themselves from the US.."

~~~

It be a new world, Huck...the US provided a defensive 'umbrella' over Europe from the end of WW2 until just a few years ago...at great expense I might add and we still have bases scattered throughout the continent.

Supposing the US had not intervened along with SEATO forces in either Korea or Vietnam, would the resources in that area have sustained the Soviet Union and enabled it to continue the Cold War and Communist expansion, would Malaysia and all of Indonesia, Australia and New Zealand have fallen under the hammer and sickle?

It is a new world, Huck, I think most should pray that the US never pulls back and leaves the third world to the ravages of militant muslims or whatever other band of bandits gain power...we can exist without you guys...maybe you don't really know that?


amicus...
 
"bump" because this is still current and the jury is still out...

amicus...
 
Tom Lehrer
Who's Next?
1965
This reminds me of Country Joe singing the 'I Feel Like I'm Fixin' To Die' rag in the way it is sung, though that was written a few years after.

Spoken intro: One of the big news items of the past year concerned the fact that China, which we called "Red China," exploded a nuclear bomb, which we called a device. Then Indonesia announced that it was going to have one soon, and proliferation became the word of the day. Here's a song about that:

First we got the bomb, and that was good,
'Cause we love peace and motherhood.
Then Russia got the bomb, but that's okay,
'Cause the balance of power's maintained that way.
Who's next?

France got the bomb, but don't you grieve,
'Cause they're on our side (I believe).
China got the bomb, but have no fears,
They can't wipe us out for at least five years.
Who's next?

Then Indonesia claimed that they
Were gonna get one any day.
South Africa wants two, that's right:
One for the black and one for the white.
Who's next?

Egypt's gonna get one too,
Just to use on you know who.
So Israel's getting tense.
Wants one in self defense.
"The Lord's our shepherd," says the psalm,
But just in case, we better get a bomb.
Who's next?

Luxembourg is next to go,
And (who knows?) maybe Monaco.
We'll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb.
Who's next?
Who's next?
Who's next?
Who's next?
 
There is an old Kingston Trio song, I think, "They are rioting in Africa, there is strife in Iran...and I can't recall more lyrics...maybe I will search it later...oh..yes, I remember, "what nature doesn't do to us will be done by our fellow man...tadumm..."


Still...Fox news just did a poll...which will be in the news most, Korean Nukes or Foley Fags...breathlessly awaiting the results....grins...

amicus...
 
amicus said:
Still...Fox news just did a poll...which will be in the news most, Korean Nukes or Foley Fags...breathlessly awaiting the results....grins...

amicus...
But I just saw Bill O'Reilly say that the Foley thing was fading. Hey, if Papa Bear says it...it must be so. ;)
 
and the ole amicus predicted it...less not forget that....grins...
 
Just a thought...as I had already closed down the computer but stopped a moment to watch the latest news headlines and the NK Nuclear explosion has still not been 'confirmed' to be what was advertised...just supposing....

just suppose that for political reasons it was more important to convince the world the North Korea had a nuclear capability, rather than actually having such a capability...

Just suppose they are smarter than is perceived, and set up the prelude with obvious announcements, and no hidden movement or activity at the site and just suppose they loaded 550 tons of high explosives, TNT into a hole in the ground and detonated it?

This is not something I heard of saw on TV, just my crazy mind working overtime...but...wouldn't that be a kick?

goodnite...

amicus...
 
amicus said:
Just a thought...as I had already closed down the computer but stopped a moment to watch the latest news headlines and the NK Nuclear explosion has still not been 'confirmed' to be what was advertised...just supposing....

just suppose that for political reasons it was more important to convince the world the North Korea had a nuclear capability, rather than actually having such a capability...

Just suppose they are smarter than is perceived, and set up the prelude with obvious announcements, and no hidden movement or activity at the site and just suppose they loaded 550 tons of high explosives, TNT into a hole in the ground and detonated it?

This is not something I heard of saw on TV, just my crazy mind working overtime...but...wouldn't that be a kick?

goodnite...

amicus...

That just might be what happened Se this:
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea
 
Yup...always have the news on in the background, been following that...does seem to have moved "Foley" off the front page, at least for the present.

thank you...


amicus
 
I only have one thing to say about the NK atomic test.

I watched GW Bush's speech in response. I was the most limp-wristed speech he's made to date. Worse even than any speech Jimmy Carter made.

And what can he do about it? The military is bogged down in Iraq and Afganistan. The Republican Party is self destructing from it's own misconduct. Do we go back to 1950 and have a second Korean War? Would anyone really stand for that?

GW's mistake (another mistake :eek: ) is his undying refusal to negotiate with North Korea.
 
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Oh, pulease Jenny, your ignorance is embarassing the true liberals here...

by ignorance, I mean your lack of facts, not that you are stupid...but you sure are a 'believer' immersed in left wing dogma..and you keep following me around...silly girl, I may eat you alive!


amicus...
 
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