I think it's disgraceful and counterproductive. He should follow the example of his predecessor who was very gracious to him after he left office. Barry had eight years. Trump is his legacy. I know it hurts, but the less Barry interferes, the better. I will feel the same way after Trump's two terms.
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You sound stupid as hell, 45 has been nothing but disrespectful to him, pissing all over his legacy.
Why is it when a Democrat or black person claps back, you all have something negative to say? As if they can't defend themselves against a bigot.
You want him to be a good YESSUH Negro and stay in his lane? That's what you want?
It's not about Obama, it's about these young people who have been shitted on by this demon having their futures snatched by them to satisfy his thug base. His supporters are too stupid to understand that his policies will bite them back in their sloppy asses.
But you have no empathy, so you wouldn't understand.
You just go ahead and follow your vindictive leader who will never be as eloquent and intelligent as 44.
But we all know how you insecure Deplorables roll. It flies right over your little head.
He has every right to speak as he damn well pleases about this misadminstration.
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I think Obama agrees with you.
I do not know what you are referring to with those opinions.
Barack had 8 years, & his legacy is settled (far as I know). Every President is/makes their own legacy, which is why it is less than 8 years (probably less than 4) before Trump's is also complete.
The fact of the matter is that this whole DACA situation is really an indictment of our political dysfunction and not of the failure of one person. I'm sure Obama knew his executive action could be rescinded by a subsequent President. I'm sure he would have prefered to have the issue addressed through legislation, but Congress was too dysfunctional to allow that. Republicans would oppose it merely because Obama sought it. And the same is happening now with Trump and the Democrats AND the Republicans. I think it's ridiculous to say that President Trump has something against the Dreamers. The problem is that we've decided to disregard laws out of some misguided sense of decency. We can't do that.We have to work with the legislative branch to put laws in place to deal with the current situation. There's no doubt that is President Obama's Executive action made it to the Supreme Court, it would be found to be Unconstitutional.
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I think that the MAYBE Trumpster is doing the right thing in giving Congress six months to pull their head out of their asses and legislate instead of bitch and complain.
Ryan is probably on the side of being reasonable, but he is going to face the opposition of his Teahaddist Nut jobs who will oppose reasonableness.
Pushing Congress to actually DO SOMETHING is a good thing even if Trump didn't intend to do it.
Ryan is probably on the side of being reasonable, but he is going to face the opposition of his Teahaddist Nut jobs who will oppose reasonableness.
Pushing Congress to actually DO SOMETHING is a good thing even if Trump didn't intend to do it.
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Yeah, Trump never says anything about Obama.
Stop it. Obama was blaming Bush until the day he left office. It has to stop.
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Obama's "Executive Action" passed two federal courts.
You Trumpsters haven't been saying a peep about Trump's heavy, heavy use of "Executive Action" (even though he has a R Congress). Not ONE peep.
But the BROWN man, oh nooooo, he's a dictator
What about Trump's Travel Ban? I don't recall him looking for Congressional approval. In fact he sent his lackeys out to say "the President's power 'will not be questioned.'" Not a peep. But the NEGRO, oh noooooo
Trump didn't consult Congress before deciding to drop bombs; where was your outrage then?
You don't give a CRAP about "Executive Orders" when it's your guy doing it.
And Trump isn't trying to do something good by calling on Congress now. Please. He's been doing nothing but sliming them all summer, and he said a while ago in a Tweet it would be great if we didn't even have a Congress. He's merely trying to PASS. THE. BUCK because he's a chicken shit coward.
And don't even get me started on how much Trump has attacked and insulted Obama.
Just shut up.
You Trumpsters haven't been saying a peep about Trump's heavy, heavy use of "Executive Action" (even though he has a R Congress). Not ONE peep.
But the BROWN man, oh nooooo, he's a dictator
What about Trump's Travel Ban? I don't recall him looking for Congressional approval. In fact he sent his lackeys out to say "the President's power 'will not be questioned.'" Not a peep. But the NEGRO, oh noooooo
Trump didn't consult Congress before deciding to drop bombs; where was your outrage then?
You don't give a CRAP about "Executive Orders" when it's your guy doing it.
And Trump isn't trying to do something good by calling on Congress now. Please. He's been doing nothing but sliming them all summer, and he said a while ago in a Tweet it would be great if we didn't even have a Congress. He's merely trying to PASS. THE. BUCK because he's a chicken shit coward.
And don't even get me started on how much Trump has attacked and insulted Obama.
Just shut up.
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Do you truly believe that those two situations equate?
How are they different? Not defending Trump in the least, but don't pretend that Obama didn't do the same thing. President Bush showed class and Grace.
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Let's make sure Trump gets that message.
Jesus, stop getting triggered so easily. When talking about these issues, I never thought about a person's color until you brought it up. There may be others who think that way, but not me. Governing by executive action seems un-American to me no matter who does it. It is a sign of a dysfuntional government and it is ultimately dangerous. I don't think Donald Trump is a good President, but we have to respect the office. The office is bigger than the man. I did not think President Obama was a good President, but I strongly disgreed with Republicans who refused to work with him. I like the general direction that Mr Trump is taking the country, but we need someone smarter and more politically savvy. A better leader.
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I can't imagine how you can come to that conclusion.
Give me something then. Bush said that he understood how hard the job was and he didn't want to do anything to make it harder than necessary. Grace and Class. Professional courtesy.
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Plyler v. Doe, 1982.
Illegal aliens still have birth certificates from the countries they were born in.
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I don't think that it's practical for either one of us to attempt to support our opinions with facts. I guess we could post clips from youtube but I'm really not in the mood for that, are you?
Bush knows that he fucked up. That's why the GOP doesn't want to have anything to do with him and why the voters had no interest in his brother. I'm not someone who thinks that everything Obama is wonderful. Maybe it's a matter of style but Obama presented himself with civility and intelligence. Trump presents himself like a spoiled child with an acute personality disorder. If he was running for president of my children's 6th grade class, I'd remove them from school.
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Where has your head been at when Trump's been sliming Obama every chance he gets? Do we really need to list them for you?
Obama said in his last press conference that he would speak out when and if he felt certain fundamental rights and principles were coming under attack, and he named DACA specifically, back in December. It's now September, and voila, Trump went after DACA. Hence, he spoke.
The one other time he spoke up was with the Muslim Travel Ban.
He is NOT speaking up merely to attack Trump, and he has GRACIOUSLY stayed silent when Trump accused him of a felony and all sorts of other demeaning and insulting and repulsive things completely unbefitting to a President.
Obama has opened his mouth about POLICIES that he feels are undermining our democracy. Two very big, very important issues. Otherwise, he's kept his mouth shut against the ceaseless RACIST vomit constantly being spewed by Trump.
You may not be a racist (consciously). But overlooking massively aggregious behavior, excusing and not even seeing it when it comes from whitey but shitting your pants when it comes from a NEGRO seems racist to me, knowingly or not
"Obama wiretapped me!" REMEMBER THAT????
THAT'S OK, BUT OBAMA SAYING ENDING DACA WAS CRUEL IS NOT???
You're a moron
Obama said in his last press conference that he would speak out when and if he felt certain fundamental rights and principles were coming under attack, and he named DACA specifically, back in December. It's now September, and voila, Trump went after DACA. Hence, he spoke.
The one other time he spoke up was with the Muslim Travel Ban.
He is NOT speaking up merely to attack Trump, and he has GRACIOUSLY stayed silent when Trump accused him of a felony and all sorts of other demeaning and insulting and repulsive things completely unbefitting to a President.
Obama has opened his mouth about POLICIES that he feels are undermining our democracy. Two very big, very important issues. Otherwise, he's kept his mouth shut against the ceaseless RACIST vomit constantly being spewed by Trump.
You may not be a racist (consciously). But overlooking massively aggregious behavior, excusing and not even seeing it when it comes from whitey but shitting your pants when it comes from a NEGRO seems racist to me, knowingly or not
"Obama wiretapped me!" REMEMBER THAT????
THAT'S OK, BUT OBAMA SAYING ENDING DACA WAS CRUEL IS NOT???
You're a moron
I think that the MAYBE Trumpster is doing the right thing in giving Congress six months to pull their head out of their asses and legislate instead of bitch and complain.
Ryan is probably on the side of being reasonable, but he is going to face the opposition of his Teahaddist Nut jobs who will oppose reasonableness.
Pushing Congress to actually DO SOMETHING is a good thing even if Trump didn't intend to do it.
1] Bush (the latter) never showed either of those things, & likely couldn't spell either of them while "working" in DC.
2] Trump isn't asking making anyone pull their head put of their rear, as he either likewise has his head in his, or is simply "talking"/acting out of his... What he should be getting them to do is get him out of the Office & position, & putting "Mr. Travel Ban" permanently out of the country himself.
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Do you NOT remember the website 'The Smirking Chimp', infamously used to mock Bush all 8 years of his presidency, which mysteriously 'went away' when the next President became black, and the ridicule of HIM on that website NEVER happened?
Obama has FINALLY become a muted, and now irrelevant mistake of the past... and should remain so.
Obama has never been a mistake, but I'll leave it up to you which (predecessor or successor) makes that fact more obvious.
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The DREAM Act, which led to Obama's DACA executive action, was unable to reach cloture in a democratic controlled Senate and so died on the floor. It was opposed by the GOP senators, but was ultimately killed by five Democratic senators who wouldn't vote for it.
"And, most importantly, which party denied Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid the five votes he needed for cloture on the Dream Act? Democrats. Forget all the huffing and puffing from Republicans. The key to the demise of the Dream Act are those five Democratic defectors - Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Mark Pryor of Arkansas." SF Gate (hardly a conservative paper).
The constitutionality of DACA is actually in legal limbo. Some district courts found it constitutionally unsupported (one of which issued a stay on expansion, pending the full review of the Supreme Court). On the Supreme side it was appealed, but the judges split four-four on the case and let the injunction stand. Another set of cases was making it's way up the chain (so it would hit the full court with Gorsuch).
With Session's recent announcement and Trumps decision, those cases are now moot and will be dismissed.
It's back where it should be - congress. It will be ironic if the GOP controlled Senate is able to write and pass a new DREAM Act. The original hung up on the part of the law that was seen by the GOP and the defecting Democrats as a "back door" to legalization (basically, once the DREAM Act "children" gained citizenship, they could then, under existing law, sponsor their parents - effectively making a general amnesty, not a specific amnesty.)
Technically DACA was not an executive order either - it was a direction to Federal Prosecutors from Justice to exercise their prosecutorial discretion and not enforce existing law, effectively setting aside the law of the land. Sessions simply removed that direction.
I'm personally pro-immigrant (verging on open borders), but it was a bad rule, done in an over-reaching manner, so I say good that they set it aside and pushed it back to Congress. Polling indicates there is enough support for the concept to pass a good law. Now, it's just up to the wankers in Congress to get it done. I hope they won't make a political football of it - but most likely they will.
I've ordered popcorn to watch the circus come to town.
"And, most importantly, which party denied Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid the five votes he needed for cloture on the Dream Act? Democrats. Forget all the huffing and puffing from Republicans. The key to the demise of the Dream Act are those five Democratic defectors - Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Mark Pryor of Arkansas." SF Gate (hardly a conservative paper).
The constitutionality of DACA is actually in legal limbo. Some district courts found it constitutionally unsupported (one of which issued a stay on expansion, pending the full review of the Supreme Court). On the Supreme side it was appealed, but the judges split four-four on the case and let the injunction stand. Another set of cases was making it's way up the chain (so it would hit the full court with Gorsuch).
With Session's recent announcement and Trumps decision, those cases are now moot and will be dismissed.
It's back where it should be - congress. It will be ironic if the GOP controlled Senate is able to write and pass a new DREAM Act. The original hung up on the part of the law that was seen by the GOP and the defecting Democrats as a "back door" to legalization (basically, once the DREAM Act "children" gained citizenship, they could then, under existing law, sponsor their parents - effectively making a general amnesty, not a specific amnesty.)
Technically DACA was not an executive order either - it was a direction to Federal Prosecutors from Justice to exercise their prosecutorial discretion and not enforce existing law, effectively setting aside the law of the land. Sessions simply removed that direction.
I'm personally pro-immigrant (verging on open borders), but it was a bad rule, done in an over-reaching manner, so I say good that they set it aside and pushed it back to Congress. Polling indicates there is enough support for the concept to pass a good law. Now, it's just up to the wankers in Congress to get it done. I hope they won't make a political football of it - but most likely they will.
I've ordered popcorn to watch the circus come to town.
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