numbers anyone?

[honoria]

Has anyone ever seen any study/survey giving the ratio of submissives to dominates?

I seem to remember reading somewhere that there were about 100 submissives to every dominate. I believe that is probably a case of "trying to make a point". But it made me curious as to whether there were any real numbers out there.

Thanks for your help

Honoria

 

[FloggingMolly]

I've never seen any. I'd imagine it could vary due to culture. Also, for those easily swayed by trends, it might not be that accurate. Interesting though, perhaps a poll on here would give you some idea?

 

[Stella_Omega]

I wonder what the ratio is of top/bottoms (I.E. physical players)
to doms and subs (I.E. role players) in the general culture?

 

[FloggingMolly]

Are you thinking full on tops/bottoms, or those who have occasionally wielded/received a whip?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Are you thinking full on tops/bottoms, or those who have occasionally wielded/received a whip?

yeah...

 

[Etoile]

Dominants.

 

[Essene]

Dominants.

Dominate dominate dominate dominate!!!!!


And while it might be interesting to find out, I believe that one can only suggest, and surmise until the great BDSM census is done...in the year 6969.

 

[Soumis]

I think there was a poll here once that asked voters to pick their label and whether or not they were online, rl, etc.

*rummages*

 

[Etoile]

And while it might be interesting to find out, I believe that one can only suggest, and surmise until the great BDSM census is done...in the year 6969.

*snorts*

 

[Soumis]

Hmm...these are the two closest I could find. I don't think I was thinking of either.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=480964&highlight=poll

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=673040

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

Has anyone ever seen any study/survey giving the ratio of submissives to dominates?

I seem to remember reading somewhere that there were about 100 submissives to every dominate. I believe that is probably a case of "trying to make a point". But it made me curious as to whether there were any real numbers out there.

Thanks for your help

Honoria

I think I've read that elsewhere as well. I tend to believe it's a bit of a crock of shit.

 

[Homburg]

I wonder what the ratio is of top/bottoms (I.E. physical players)
to doms and subs (I.E. role players) in the general culture?

Good luck trying to figure that one out. Half the potential respondents would probably be insulted that you are *gasp* differentiating between the two.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Good luck trying to figure that one out. Half the potential respondents would probably be insulted that you are *gasp* differentiating between the two.

Yeah, it seems to me that Dom/sub is the label of choice for most M/f fantasies, even when there is no actual submission going on except in the bedroom for the one evening. This is not true of any queer players that I can think of. I have never heard those terms used as much as I have since I joined this forum!

It feels to me like that same old thing women have been told since Augustine; thou shall not enjoy sex for its own sake. I wonder how many hets here substitute "submission" for "going steady" or something along those lines?

 

[00Syd]

Yeah, it seems to me that Dom/sub is the label of choice for most M/f fantasies, even when there is no actual submission going on except in the bedroom for the one evening. This is not true of any queer players that I can think of. I have never heard those terms used as much as I have since I joined this forum!

It feels to me like that same old thing women have been told since Augustine; thou shall not enjoy sex for its own sake. I wonder how many hets here substitute "submission" for "going steady" or something along those lines?

I just want to quote this for posterity.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I just want to quote this for posterity.

Thank you, Syd

 

[PhaonsBrother]

Most vampires seem to be men.

 

[midwestyankee]

Yeah, it seems to me that Dom/sub is the label of choice for most M/f fantasies, even when there is no actual submission going on except in the bedroom for the one evening. This is not true of any queer players that I can think of. I have never heard those terms used as much as I have since I joined this forum!

It feels to me like that same old thing women have been told since Augustine; thou shall not enjoy sex for its own sake. I wonder how many hets here substitute "submission" for "going steady" or something along those lines?

Stella, I doubt if you meant it this way, but your final sentence sounds very condescending to my ears.

I do wonder about the way folks seem to use the terms "dominant" and "submission" somewhat more broadly than a stickler for the dominant/top - submissive/bottom distinctions might like. Perhaps it's as simple as being an expression of the same kind of language evolution that has turned "amateur" into the loose equivalent of "unskilled" which I blame on the presence of professional athletes in the Olympics.

It's also possible that "submission" may seem to carry a more romantic connotation than does "bottom."

 

[Stella_Omega]

Most vampires seem to be men.

True enough, true enough. Most vamps are the product of the "dick is more sexy than pussy" mindset. Which is fair enough, since most vamps are the product of hetero women's imaginations. If you want dyke vamps, we have them on the third page of the menu...With six you get eggroll.

But my thought was more about the "must not be a slut" thing. Just as so many women euphemise "taking a guy home from the bar and fucking like minks" as "Dating" I wonder how many women really mean "craving to be tied up and flogged and forced orgasm" as "Craving submission"

Of course... two words instead of ten.

 

[PhaonsBrother]

Yeah, I think most people enjoy being tied up at one point or another, flogged not so much. Most people are incredibly submissive in their day to day life. Sexually submissive would seem to follow, sexually 'Submissive' usually has a tinge of masochism when someone self-identifies. If I were to guess on the percentage of people who label themselves and regularly practice 'S'ubmission and 'D'omination, I'd assume there are 2 Doms to 8 Subs. But self-identification on a message board wouldn't be a good place to get actual information on sex practices. People practice submission from childhood, and it's easier to be the whiny guy at work, or the crybaby on a message board complaining about the unfair rating your work received.

 

[Homburg]

Stella, I doubt if you meant it this way, but your final sentence sounds very condescending to my ears.

I do wonder about the way folks seem to use the terms "dominant" and "submission" somewhat more broadly than a stickler for the dominant/top - submissive/bottom distinctions might like. Perhaps it's as simple as being an expression of the same kind of language evolution that has turned "amateur" into the loose equivalent of "unskilled" which I blame on the presence of professional athletes in the Olympics.

Personally, I think her statement is largely spot on. The first reason is that she is portraying it as someone coming from the queer world into a largely hetero board, and seeing how the words are used differently. By my read, it is more of an observation than a judgement.

Secondly, I think it is accurate because I largely agree with it. I call myself a top and not a dominant largely because of the lingual drift that has occurred with that term. When "dominant" can refer as easily to someone that has put hand to ass and had a real live human being in their service face to face as it can some HNG cybering with another HNG and both are lying as to what they are doing on their end, I have no concerns for associating myself with the term. With "top", there is no such confusion in my eyes. I hit real people with my real hands (and other items, as well as other toppy activity). As a result, I prefer the unambiguous term. I think this is in line with you "amateur" example.

It's also possible that "submission" may seem to carry a more romantic connotation than does "bottom."

We have a winner.

"Bottom" is non-romantic, and "submissive" is dreamy.

I can't tell you how many times I've talked to a self-described submissive and thought they were about as submissive as my refrigerator. And it had no relation to whether or not they were a good bottom or not.

 

[Keroin]

Blurg. Every time a discussion goes into the territory of definitions my teeth start to hurt.

I call myself whatever feels good in the moment. I don't really give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks I "am".

/hijack

 

[Claire73]

We have a winner.

"Bottom" is non-romantic, and "submissive" is dreamy.

...you two obviously haven't seen my butt, then...

 

[neci]

bad bottom! bad bottom!
i hear bottom and i think of asses being bruised.
shake that bottom. shake it!

bottoms up.

 

[Claire73]

bad bottom! bad bottom!
i hear bottom and i think of asses being bruised.
shake that bottom. shake it!

bottoms up.

I see your bottom, and I raise you mine!!!

 

[JMohegan]

Yeah, it seems to me that Dom/sub is the label of choice for most M/f fantasies, even when there is no actual submission going on except in the bedroom for the one evening. This is not true of any queer players that I can think of. I have never heard those terms used as much as I have since I joined this forum!

It feels to me like that same old thing women have been told since Augustine; thou shall not enjoy sex for its own sake. I wonder how many hets here substitute "submission" for "going steady" or something along those lines?

Quite a few M/f fans on this board do seem to substitute "submission" for trust, devotion, respect, commitment - i.e., a host of attributes having absolutely nothing to do with deferring of preferences, abdication of decision-making authority, or actual control over non-bedroom behavior. Hence the vanilla-bottom-sub-slave perceived hierarchy of escalating devotion, trust, etc.

Lit aside, as far as I can tell, M/f porn routinely slaps D/s labels on T/b sessions. Whether to make it seem more hardcore or exotic, or for some other reason, I don't know. See, for example, the following intro to what is essentially a T/b porn site -

"SexAndSubmission.com is hardcore sex and bondage dungeon entertainment where submissive women get dominated and fucked deep by hard cock. At SexAndSubmission, you'll find real BDSM, domination, bondage and rough sex as sexy submissive women give in to their deep desire for spanking, rope bondage, slapping, whipping, and hard deep fucking, ass fucking and blowjobs. This hardcore bondage and fucking action is brought to you in high definition video for download or streaming, with thousands of photos for download or viewing in online sex and bondage galleries. With SexAndSubmission's downloadable video, high definition video, streaming video and thousands of downloadable photos, you'll find female sexual submission and bondage sex fantasies explored in exquisite detail.

The willing sluts at SexAndSubmission.com long for rough sex and bondage. These sexy sluts learn about submission as they are tied up tight by dominant men and trained hard with thick cock in their mouths, pussies, and assholes. Using spanking, paddling, whipping, erotic consensual torture, role playing and humiliation, dominant men teach porn star sluts, innocent first-time amateurs, college girls and girl next door types how to be perfect sex slaves. These submissive sluts are taught how to suck cock, get fucked doggy style, and bend over to be fucked in the ass. These beautiful women are stripped naked and spread wide for hard pussy stretching and ass fucking action. Bound without escape, the women at SexAndSubmission.com know they are helpless and will be fucked hard in pussy and ass just the way they like it. BDSM with hardcore boy/girl sex trains these women to submit to male authority. By the time they leave the dungeon, these women know how to serve. Dominated and fucked, the women here have been taught to submit to male domination, male authority, and hard cock in all their holes.

In addition to the pussy fucking, ass fucking, hardcore boy/girl sex, throat fucking, boot worship, bondage, spanking, hair-pulling, whipping, clamps, punishment, slave collars and humiliation you'll see on the beautiful female sex slaves at Sex And Submission, you'll see real role play and serious submission as these bound women are trained to fuck. SexAndSubmission.com brings you the real BDSM play of women being taught how to serve sexually."