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Pure

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but do you find the way to "protect" you a little scary?

how about furnishing your passport info to log in to literotica [hypothetical scenario]?

Revealing identities

Victoria Murphy Barret

Second Life is a place where you go to live out fantasies. The virtual world lets you pick your body shape, eye colour, age and gender. But now Second Life wants to know the real you.

In August, it began testing technology that verifies people's identity and age. "Trust is the foundation of any community," blogged marketing chief Robin Harper. "And one cornerstone of trust is identity. You've got to know something about the person you are dealing with before you can trust them."


This marks a big shift in the world of Web communities, where people often share excruciatingly intimate details about their lives even as they neglect to say--or outright lie--about who they really are. Will denizens of the Web soon have to reveal their real world selves?

"There will be a Web equivalent of 'No shoes, No shirt, No service'," says author and tech futurist Paul Saffo. In other words, if you want to join the club, show your card.

Second Life is tapping technology called Integrity, from Washington D.C.-based Aristotle International. Soon only those Second Lifers willing to divulge their social security numbers (or passport data) will get access to content that other members have flagged as "adult."

Second Life isn't enforcing online ID--just giving members the option. If you run a bar in the virtual world with scantily clad dancers, you can choose to let anyone in, or only those who have proven their age-–much like the real world. Of the hundreds of Second Lifers who have weighed in on the proposals, a few have welcomed such virtual velvet ropes: "About bloody time!" wrote one. Far more Second Lifers, however, are worried about losing their privacy.

As more people wander into cyberspace, however, the norms of the "real" world may get imposed on the virtual one. Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, for instance, is pressuring social networking sites including MySpace, owned by News Corp. (nyse: NWS), to verify age. "If we can put a man on the moon, we should be able to verify ages online," says Blumenthal. Attorneys general in all states are joining his campaign.

Some of the smartest minds in tech believe more identity online is inevitable--and a hulking business opportunity. "We used to protect your PC; now we want to protect you," says Enrique Salem, who heads Symantec's (nasdaq: SYMC) consumer business. Both Symantec and Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT) are figuring out ways to pull real world data--such as a driver's license, credit report, mailing address--and link it to online personae.

The big pitch to consumers: fraud protection. But there are lots of other scenarios where proof of identity could be useful. "We're not talking about this being a whole version of your identity, but a slice of it when appropriate," says Microsoft's identity chief Kim Cameron. He likens it to a wallet full of cards with different uses. One might be for big purchases where customers want to prove they aren't fraudsters posing as them with their credit card numbers. Another use might be limited to age verification: If a 20-something on a dating site wants proof that you're not a 50-something posing as a 30-something, you could share only that data. Tech firms intend these services to be voluntary for individuals and the Web sites they visit.

Entrepreneur Dick Hardt believes password bloat will drive the adoption of new identity-aware technology. "Your experience in the Web should be like the one in the physical world. Whoever sees my driver's license trusts it and doesn't have to talk to the guy who issued my license," says Hardt. His Vancouver, British Columbia, start-up, called Sxip, is part of a consortium of firms adhering to OpenID, a set of standards for giving and understanding identity on the Web.

But unless the measures are no more complex than a few mouse clicks, people may opt out of proving who they are online. Software entrepreneur Austin Hill started a service in the late 1990s that provided identity cards for Web denizens. The product floundered.

"People want to feel safe online but they don't want to manage fancy technology," Hill says. "You give them a Swiss Army knife; they want a butter knife. But that's a very blunt instrument."
 
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PURE

Since 1968 Americans industrialize every problem that comes along. We create new industries for virtually everything people once handled themselves.

The method to the madness is there's no money to be made if I screw-up and accept responsibility for my actions....or accept responsibility for my kid's conduct. But if the village accepts the responsibility, it can tax momma & daddy for the work, and the lawyers can sue the village when it fails.
 
I have never visited Second Life, but the concept of providing data to verify who and what I am is a non-starter to me.

First, I have no desire to show identity cards in real life except when doing financial transactions with a bank, and that is only to verify my identity for access to my own money.

Secondly, I don't trust any corporation to keep my data safe. If Giant Store or Big Web Site has my sensitive data you can bet that there will be concentrated efforts by the bad guys to steal that data. It has happened numerous times already, and I don't think joining a social website has enough value to me to become a victim of identity theft.

Iconoclast
 
Who says the bad guys have to steal it? They could probably buy it, and really cheaply too.
 
i'm surprised

litsters don't seem to give a fuck about this.

how many of you would be here without anonymity? suppose Lit and other adult sites required those posting or downloading to furnish names, addresses, SS numbers, etc. and be verified?

don't all rush to raise your hands.
 
is that you, Junie B. Jones?

how do you propose to get a phoney driver's license or passport?
 
I don't quite get why all this RL data is needed, but if push came to shove I'd follow Sarah's suggestion and lie - or buy a fake identity.

I pay cash whenever I can and avoid getting sucked into supermarket loyalty card schemes, because quite frankly it's none of anyone's business what I put into my shopping cart.
 
PURE-SCHEHERAZADE

My best guess is the Government wants to go after all the uncollected taxes that are lost to the internet. If you provide your Social Security Number and Drivers License you cant claim Uncle Fester used the puter to order porn. I.D. allows Hillary to mail the tax bill directly to you.

It also makes it easier for wowsers to prosecute you for obscenity.

AND the Government will collect all the information about you and sell it along with every other public and commercial activity you generate. They do it already.

wowser=We Only Want Social Evils Remedied
 
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PURE-SCHEHERAZADE

My best guess is the Government wants to go after all the uncollected taxes that are lost to the internet. If you provide your Social Security Number and Drivers License you cant claim Uncle Fester used the puter to order porn. I.D. allows Hillary to mail the tax bill directly to you.

It also makes it easier for wowsers to prosecute you for obscenity.

AND the Government will collect all the information about you and sell it along with every other public and commercial activity you generate. They do it already.

wowser=We Only Want Social Evils Remedied

Appreciating that this crap will only have meaning to the non-commercial side of the web, (the commercial side already has all your information.... whenever someone like the government wants to go after it).... but your point about making it easier to prosecute you for obscenity.... that is a very real and highly likely side effect of yet another effort to save our teenagers from sex.

Everyday in the news we are treated to yet another sex fiend being breathlessly tracked and prosecuted and arrested and reported (it sells) and yet more billions will be spent on "protecting" our youth. These cases have been as statistically insignificant as they are repugnant. Someone, somewhere said something... along the lines of.....(how is that for diligent research?) "exceptions make for bad law".

This whole subject of "child abuse" has become so distorted and out of touch with reality that we are prosecuting 18 y/o boys for getting a blow job from their 16 y/o girlfriends and 20 something women being sent to prison for fulfilling some adolescent boy's wet dream... (Would anyone dare make "Summer of 42" now?) (Hell the actors would be prosecuted!)

It has become our time's equivalent to the red-baiting of the 50's...

So "Prove your not a pervert"!

I trust I am not the only one here who would have trouble with that question.

-KC
 
JB and Keebler

JB My best guess is the Government wants to go after all the uncollected taxes that are lost to the internet. If you provide your Social Security Number and Drivers License you cant claim Uncle Fester used the puter to order porn. I.D. allows Hillary to mail the tax bill directly to you.

It also makes it easier for wowsers to prosecute you for obscenity.

AND the Government will collect all the information about you and sell it along with every other public and commercial activity you generate. They do it already.

wowser=We Only Want Social Evils Remedied


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good posting, Keebler! i think we agree that the "child porn" and more broadly the "protect children" slogans are used to make inroads in adults' activities, e.g. section 2257 compliance, which attempts to register all porn picture models. 'internet' legislation has been thrown out several times as infringing on adult liberties; but with the new supreme ct., who knows.


nice posting, James B. i think it's clear that programs that we use to anonymize our web activities as working against commerce. that is why microsoft Window and Internet Explorer facilitate 'tracking cookies' and other measures. the 'history' logs that many of us like to erase, would be invaluable for 'targeting' ads. Google's latest mail scheme is mind boggling, and could be extended to all postings! if you mention clothes in your email you'll get clothes ads turning up; with a little adjustment,
when i post on the subject of healthcare, i'll start getting ads for health insurance, latest drugs, etc.

while many of us from the 60s see "evil" behind the breakdown of privacy. it's actually $$$$. note that the breakdown of privacy has marketing possibilities. phoney or proxy identities can be sold. around here the telephone company has a nice little scam. if you're listed the telemarketers find you easily. BUT to be unlisted--i.e., NOT in their phone book white pages, you have to pay per month!!!
 
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Pure, you're really a high level government official, aren't you? :D

JB My best guess is the Government wants to go after all the uncollected taxes that are lost to the internet. If you provide your Social Security Number and Drivers License you cant claim Uncle Fester used the puter to order porn. I.D. allows Hillary to mail the tax bill directly to you.

And no one will be able to hide their Ebay profits anymore either!! :eek:

Actually, yeah, this idea is scary. I don't mind it being an OPTION. But it ever becomes mandatory? Nope. I'm outta here.
 
wouldn't it be amazing if there was a pure file, including IP address. then if i type, in a Lit posting, "my dog is hungry," there will be an email about dogfood. maybe also a pop up.

and from the rest of my profile, they know i vacation up north, so some northern resort ads could be thrown in, maybe some info about dog and house sitting could be dispatched in case teh resort doesn't allow dogs.
 
This notion of 'online identity' pops up every so often, and it's a huge red herring.

Everyone with a credit card has an online-verifiable identity already, at least for just about anything conceivable that you can transact online. If you want a controlled-content site, just require the user to have a credit card - Everquest, World of Warcraft, etc. have been doing that for years for millions of users. Same for Dating websites.

It's only an issue for 'Second Life' because of their business model, not because of some inherency of cyberspace.

The principal catch to the whole idea is, who becomes the authenticating authority? Ask Microsoft what happens when you propose to do that... Doesn't anyone remember Microsoft Passport?
 
PURE

I notice the same phenomenon on MYSPACE. The banners you get are influenced by the blogs, etc. you post.
 
SELENA K

The states are already raising hell about the uncollected taxes. It's a matter of time before BIG BROTHER has you in a virtual concen tration camp.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
PURE

I notice the same phenomenon on MYSPACE. The banners you get are influenced by the blogs, etc. you post.

Nothing gets by you. :cool:
 
keeblercrumb said:
Appreciating that this crap will only have meaning to the non-commercial side of the web, (the commercial side already has all your information.... whenever someone like the government wants to go after it).... but your point about making it easier to prosecute you for obscenity.... that is a very real and highly likely side effect of yet another effort to save our teenagers from sex.

Everyday in the news we are treated to yet another sex fiend being breathlessly tracked and prosecuted and arrested and reported (it sells) and yet more billions will be spent on "protecting" our youth. These cases have been as statistically insignificant as they are repugnant. Someone, somewhere said something... along the lines of.....(how is that for diligent research?) "exceptions make for bad law".

This whole subject of "child abuse" has become so distorted and out of touch with reality that we are prosecuting 18 y/o boys for getting a blow job from their 16 y/o girlfriends and 20 something women being sent to prison for fulfilling some adolescent boy's wet dream... (Would anyone dare make "Summer of 42" now?) (Hell the actors would be prosecuted!)

It has become our time's equivalent to the red-baiting of the 50's...

So "Prove your not a pervert"!

I trust I am not the only one here who would have trouble with that question.

-KC

Indeed.
I'm married to a woman almost half my age.
I think I definitely qualify as 'perverted' in the eyes of a great many people.

Sad bastards.
 
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