Novel support thread...

[jomar]

Really? I've seen quite a few Romance publishers asking for HEA or HFN endings.

What does that mean Cerise?

(And I did use Zizi in a story coming out in a week or so. Thanks )

 

[CeriseNoire]

What does that mean Cerise?

(And I did use Zizi in a story coming out in a week or so. Thanks )

ROFL. I'm looking forward to that one.

HEA = happily ever after (aka marriage)

HFN= happily for now (likely become a serious couple, move in together, etc...)

 

[deathlynx]

I don't know -- it seems like most Romance novels are about falling in love -- and the happy ending is a marriage.

Well, maybe that's something that needs to change then? Marriage is all well and good, but it isn't always the inevitable conclusion to permanant love...

 

[jomar]

ROFL. I'm looking forward to that one.

HEA = happily ever after (aka marriage)

HFN= happily for now (likely become a serious couple, move in together, etc...)

Thanks. Zizi likes it rough, but not too rough, btw.

 

[CeriseNoire]

Thanks. Zizi likes it rough, but not too rough, btw.

You're welcome.

Most zizis I've encountered were that way (sorry, couldn't help it).

 

[WRJames]

Really? I've seen quite a few Romance publishers asking for HEA or HFN endings.

Well, my point was that it focuses on the "courtship" stage of a relationship. My novels are about living unhappily ever after, which is probably why Terrie won't classify them as romances. I tend to torment my characters, just for the amusment of my readers.

 

[CeriseNoire]

Well, my point was that it focuses on the "courtship" stage of a relationship. My novels are about living unhappily ever after, which is probably why Terrie won't classify them as romances. I tend to torment my characters, just for the amusment of my readers.

I see. Well torturing them can be fun too, though I can see why she wouldn't classify them as romance.

 

[WRJames]

I see. Well torturing them can be fun too, though I can see why she wouldn't classify them as romance.

Well, not actual torture, at least most of the time, just infidelity, difficult pregnancies, murders, etc. Of course, there are few bondage scenes.

 

[deathlynx]

Well, not actual torture, at least most of the time, just infidelity, difficult pregnancies, murders, etc. Of course, there are few bondage scenes.

Sounds like a very fun series!

 

[drksideofthemoon]

I don't if it counts or not, but my Montana Summer series is about 250,000 words long, and should end up at about 270,000 words.

 

[CeriseNoire]

I don't if it counts or not, but my Montana Summer series is about 250,000 words long, and should end up at about 270,000 words.

Sounds like a novel to me.

And WR, I figured you didn't mean torture literally (or at least I hoped so)

 

[impressive]

Sounds like a novel to me.

And WR, I figured you didn't mean torture literally (or at least I hoped so)

Sounds more like 3 novels to me.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I don't know -- it seems like most Romance novels are about falling in love -- and the happy ending is a marriage.

Yes, Romance novels are bout people finding their One True mate-- these days it doesn't have to end in marriage though.

But there still has to be a plot. The most basic plot is; Two Souls meet, cannot get together, yearn, overcome obstacles, consumate, BIG KISS

They can be in any genre you please, from Western to Sci-fi and then some. They can be wholesome or decadent, and any gender.

And there can be plenty of graphic sex, erotic romance is a subgenre that's larger than the original now.

But that's what it be, WR-- you can write all kinds of novels, but that's what defines Romance.

and, I'm told, you can't have infidelity even still. That's a tough one for me...

 

[CeriseNoire]

Yes, Romance novels are bout people finding their One True mate-- these days it doesn't have to end in marriage though.

But there still has to be a plot. The most basic plot is; Two Souls meet, cannot get together, yearn, overcome obstacles, consumate, BIG KISS

They can be in any genre you please, from Western to Sci-fi and then some. They can be wholesome or decadent, and any gender.

And there can be plenty of graphic sex, erotic romance is a subgenre that's larger than the original now.

But that's what it be, WR-- you can write all kinds of novels, but that's what defines Romance.

and, I'm told, you can't have infidelity even still. That's a tough one for me...

How do they define 'infidelity'.

 

[rgraham666]

and, I'm told, you can't have infidelity even still. That's a tough one for me...

Drat!

I guess I'll have to take the romance tag off that lesbian mature D/s romance I'm working on.

One of the characters is cheating on her husband.

Has an HEA though. That ought to confuse any publishers I send it to.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm certainly up for a forum anywhere! And if anyone needs to find a muse herder, you know where to find me

Maybe one thing we can do is read the half finished works for people...beta reading and the like...

One thing about the Erotic Romance forums is that there are hidden forums, where the members can post actual work and get input. It's great for WIP and stuff that's getting polished for publication. PLUS-- you can delete your own threads.

I doubt we can get those functionalities here

 

[Stella_Omega]

How do they define 'infidelity'.

I don't know!
That's one reason I've joined the other forum-- to find out. My characters screw around a lot!

 

[CharleyH]

One thing about the Erotic Romance forums is that there are hidden forums, where the members can post actual work and get input. It's great for WIP and stuff that's getting polished for publication. PLUS-- you can delete your own threads.

I doubt we can get those functionalities here

As said - I am interested. You proposed something and I thought them great ideas. Keep them up, Stell.

 

[MrsDeathlynx]

I don't know!
That's one reason I've joined the other forum-- to find out. My characters screw around a lot!

My opinion, and it's just that, is this...

Romance is about love, the whole aspect of falling in love and that kind of thing. Sex can be involved, but some would considering it making love and not sex. Now if someone is in a marriage it can still be a romance, even if the marriage is unhappy. There's the possibility of being swept off their feet by someone else, or the possibility (if it is a marriage between a man and a woman) of another woman being brought into it if both of them care for her, or another man if it is the husband that is bisexual, or a straight person if the relationship/marriage is a homosexual one.

Even if infidelity is involved to me it could still be romance, my opinion is that it depends on the concept of the story. Besides romances don't always end in HEA, just like real life it can end up with a couple breaking up for one reason or another, romance isn't always permanent.

 

[Stella_Omega]

As said - I am interested. You proposed something and I thought them great ideas. Keep them up, Stell.

What would be your preference, Charley?

For myself, I think I'll try the Erotic Romance site. It is not solely Romance oriented, there are men there as well as women slash writers, and it has (it looks like) maybe twenty consistent posters and about 300 registered. There are a lot of published writers, e-pub and paper.

It's not the same as the hangout. It moves at snail-speed compared to this.

 

[Stella_Omega]

My opinion, and it's just that, is this...

Romance is about love, the whole aspect of falling in love and that kind of thing. Sex can be involved, but some would considering it making love and not sex. Now if someone is in a marriage it can still be a romance, even if the marriage is unhappy. There's the possibility of being swept off their feet by someone else, or the possibility (if it is a marriage between a man and a woman) of another woman being brought into it if both of them care for her, or another man if it is the husband that is bisexual, or a straight person if the relationship/marriage is a homosexual one.

Even if infidelity is involved to me it could still be romance, my opinion is that it depends on the concept of the story. Besides romances don't always end in HEA, just like real life it can end up with a couple breaking up for one reason or another, romance isn't always permanent.

That's more what I would write normally, but I want to do the genre-- just to prove I can, I suppose.


"Four Weddings And A Funeral" is an excellent Romance, and it ends with the guy telling the girl something like "I want to be not-married to you, and i want to be that for the rest of our lives together."

awww, so sweeet!

 

[MrsDeathlynx]

That's more what I would write normally, but I want to do the genre-- just to prove I can, I suppose.


"Four Weddings And A Funeral" is an excellent Romance, and it ends with the guy telling the girl something like "I want to be not-married to you, and i want to be that for the rest of our lives together."

awww, so sweeet!

I think that not all romances have to end happy though, the thing is the guy still wants to be with her. I think it would be a novel concept if someone wrote a romance that didn't end up happy, perhaps the guy leaving her because he finds a new romance. It doesn't make it any less romantic, just means the romance had a sad ending.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think that not all romances have to end happy though, the thing is the guy still wants to be with her. I think it would be a novel concept if someone wrote a romance that didn't end up happy, perhaps the guy leaving her because he finds a new romance. It doesn't make it any less romantic, just means the romance had a sad ending.

Will it jump off the drugstore book racks?

If I'm reading about how two people are simply made to be together, and all this sexual tension is building up-- I want the come shot!

Vladimir nabokov wrote one of my all-time favourite romances; "ADA" he broke a lot of rules in that one. The characters started screwing right away, for one thing. And the happy ending comes when they both are well past their primes. but they do end up HEA, at last. Pushing it any further would take it right out of the genre, and it very nearly is.

 

[MrsDeathlynx]

Will it jump off the drugstore book racks?

If I'm reading about how two people are simply made to be together, and all this sexual tension is building up-- I want the come shot!

Vladimir nabokov wrote one of my all-time favourite romances; "ADA" he broke a lot of rules in that one. The characters started screwing right away, for one thing. And the happy ending comes when they both are well past their primes. but they do end up HEA, at last. Pushing it any further would take it right out of the genre, and it very nearly is.

Well what if the story starts with two people and they both end up romantically involved with someone else and that isn't discovered until the end of a series? Would that still be considered Romance?

 

[Stella_Omega]

See-- this is why we need a forum, because there are other things to talk about besides squabbling about Romance forms!

Sci-fi? Adventure? Picaresques? Mysteries? Names, plots, arcs... fuuuck...