North Korea Tells the World "Fuck You."

[Lee Chambers]

North Korea Says Nuclear Test Successful
By BURT HERMAN, AP

SEOUL, South Korea (Oct. 9) - North Korea said Monday it had exploded a nuclear weapon for the first time, an underground test that defied international warnings but was hailed by the communist nation as a "great leap forward" for its people.

The reported test drew harsh condemnation from world powers and some warned it would destabilize the region. Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair called the test a "completely irresponsible act" and Japan said it was unpardonable.

The U.N. Security Council was expected to discuss North Korea on Monday, and the United States and Japan were likely to press for a resolution imposing additional sanctions on the impoverished country.

The U.S. Geological Survey said it recorded a seismic event in northeastern North Korea that coincided with the announced test and a South Korean expert said it was equivalent to the force of 550 tons of TNT or a relatively small bomb.

Although North Korea has long claimed it had the capability to produce a bomb, the reported test, if confirmed, would be the first proof of its membership in a small club of nuclear-armed nations. It would dramatically alter the strategic balance of power in the Pacific region and seriously undermine global anti-proliferation efforts.

 

[Trinique_Fire]

Am I the only one that smells a problem brewing?

 

[Guest]

Am I the only one that smells a problem brewing?

no, you aren't the only one.
there is no winning situation with this.

 

[Tuomas]

Well, 550 eTNTt is a very small device. In fact, I wonder if it's even above the minimum yeild threshold...

Anyway, Korea built the bomb -or is trying to do so- because the US threatened to invade them. If they weren't repeatedly refered to as part of the "axis of evil", they probably wouldn't have done it. Afterall, they do depend on the US for food hand-outs

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Unfortunately, this is likely to spiral out of control. The little Texas pipsqueak in the White House will get all puffed up and start a new round of threats. The North Koreas will react. Bush will counter, etc.

Given GW's past history he'll save himself and his party by postponing the November elections due to a nuclear war.

 

[Tuomas]

Hehe. Americans annoy me because they can't be bothered to go out and elect themselves good presidents. Just think of all the problems the world wouldn't have if it didn't have to deal with Bush/Clintons popping up every four or eight years...

 

[Liar]

SEOUL, South Korea (Oct. 9) - North Korea said Monday it had exploded a nuclear weapon for the first time, an underground test that defied international warnings but was hailed by the communist nation as a "great leap forward" for its people.

Yeah. Cause fuck food, what the North korean people really need are nukes.

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

Well, 550 eTNTt is a very small device. In fact, I wonder if it's even above the minimum yeild threshold...

Anyway, Korea built the bomb -or is trying to do so- because the US threatened to invade them. If they weren't repeatedly refered to as part of the "axis of evil", they probably wouldn't have done it. Afterall, they do depend on the US for food hand-outs

When did the US threaten to invade North Korea? We have been feeding them for years. Although we do refer to them as part of "The axis of evil" they say worse about us.

 

[rgraham666]

550 tons is way too tiny for a nuclear bomb. The standard measurement is for fission and fusion weapons is kilo-tons. That is 1,000 tons of dynamite equivalent.

I think the NKs just buried some explosives somewhere, set it off, and are now watching their televisions, munching popcorn and giggling.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

550 tons is way too tiny for a nuclear bomb. The standard measurement is for fission and fusion weapons is kilo-tons. That is 1,000 tons of dynamite equivalent.

I think the NKs just buried some explosives somewhere, set it off, and are now watching their televisions, munching popcorn and giggling.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that.

Actually though, Russia has said it believes that the blast was much larger, on the order of 10 to 15 kilotons.

The report also says that a blast of less than 1000 tons, (1 kiloton) could be the result of a failed test.

BBC Report

 

[neonflux]

I beg to differ...

Hehe. Americans annoy me because they can't be bothered to go out and elect themselves good presidents. Just think of all the problems the world wouldn't have if it didn't have to deal with Bush/Clintons popping up every four or eight years...

It's quite probable, at least in Bush's case, that we didn't elect him at all. Supreme Court handed him the first round, and he continued his theft with the second...

I suspect that the test was real, I think it's all too scary, I don't really blame N Korea (although it's an awfully brutal regime) and while you may have been joking, Jenny, I find myself actually agreeing with your statement:

Given GW's past history he'll save himself and his party by postponing the November elections due to a nuclear war.

This is where I whine, "Stop the world, I wanna get off!"

Neon

 

[SeaCat]

I have always heard that Seismologists could distinguish between a Nuclear Detonation and any other type by the shockwave that it produces. Something to do with how it is created and how it propogates.

Is this true? Or if it is, is it only true with weapons over a certain size?

Cat

 

[cheerful_deviant]

I have always heard that Seismologists could distinguish between a Nuclear Detonation and any other type by the shockwave that it produces. Something to do with how it is created and how it propogates.

Is this true? Or if it is, is it only true with weapons over a certain size?

Cat

I believe this it true. Different kinds of movement/explosions create diffrent shockwaves. Not detectable by humans but the computers can tell the difference.

 

[SeaCat]

I believe this it true. Different kinds of movement/explosions create diffrent shockwaves. Not detectable by humans but the computers can tell the difference.

Okay, so here's the dumbfuck question of the evening.

If Seismologists can detect nuclear detonations, and if they can determine if the seimological event was in fact a detonation by it's type of shockwave, (like you I have heard that a Nuclear Detonation produces a very unique Shockwave. Easily observed and easily identified.)) why are so few other countries coming forward with their observations? Even here in the United States you only hear about it from the White House and they still haven't said definitively that it was a ND. Just that they are investigating it.

(You would think with all the Hype the White House has been pushing about this lately they would have said that it was a Nuclear Detonation.)

Reading between the lines it tells me that either it was not a ND or that it was a fizzled one. (ie one that did not work.)

Cat

 

[JustaJerk]

Hilary Clinton has already gone on national television to claim that it's Bush's fault. How the hell is it his fault?

How do you convince a country not to do something? Sanctions?
How do you convince a person not to do something? Jail time?
They both work great, that's why NK didn't attempt to detonate a nuke and murders and rapes never happen.

BTW, Ronald Reagon was the first to coin the phrase "Axis of Evil" and he included North Korea. Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr. continued it. NEITHER side of the aisle prevented it.

 

[3113]

Hilary Clinton has already gone on national television to claim that it's Bush's fault. How the hell is it his fault?

I dunno. How the hell is it Clinton's fault that Al Q. took out the twin towers? This is politics and turn-about is fair play. The Republicans have been blaming Bill for everything they can think of, so maybe Hilary was just issuing a first strike, lest they blame him for this, too.

 

[AlecBond]

abcde

 

[JustaJerk]

I have always heard that Seismologists could distinguish between a Nuclear Detonation and any other type by the shockwave that it produces. Something to do with how it is created and how it propogates.

Is this true? Or if it is, is it only true with weapons over a certain size?

Cat

Back in the '60's, they developed a super sensitive microphone to detect above ground nuke tests. A nuke blast has a very[/] sharp upslope, slower downslope. Think square wave versus sine wave. It starts out as a square wave, then becomes a sine wave. The system was developed before the air test ban and tested with a few of our own air tests.

Problem was, any meteorite bigger small pebble produced the same type of sound wave. After so many false alarms, they abandoned the project.

But then...
Doing a little research on it, it would seem they've perfected their equipement a little bit.
Nuke Blast