None so Blind!

[Countess DeWinter]

No God damit....

I will not take it....


Hey, I have a very good point...

Since I can create, clone, heal, and destroy life. Does that make me a God?

Sure...if you can forgive sin too

 

[DarkAngel]

No God damit....

I will not take it....


Hey, I have a very good point...

Since I can create, clone, heal, and destroy life. Does that make me a God?

Sure...if you can forgive sin too

But what is sin?

 

[Countess DeWinter]

But what is sin?

Anything that goes against the two main commandments: love God and love your neighbor.

 

[Todd]

Yep, that's the story Todd. I'm not saying it doesn't exist in a Catholic Bible, I'm just saying it's part of the regular old King James Bible too, because how would I know it even existed if it wasn't? I only had a King James Bible.

Doesn't that story strike you as a bit cruel on God's part? Why is he always killing children? When I was a kid, no one would explain this to me.

Its not in the king james bible though you may of had a catholic king james bile where they take the king james text and add in thier appocyrpha.

Did God, kill the kids? Did Daniel kill the kids? Did the king kill the kids? was the king a God worshiping Jew or a idol worshiper?

 

[DarkAngel]

But what is sin?

Anything that goes against the two main commandments: love God and love your neighbor.

O really.... Thats what the book says... Yup... So thats sin... Guess I can go sleep with my neighbor because thats not a sin.. because I am just Loving my Neighbor..

 

[Pyper]

Hey! Those aren't the two main commandments. The first three are the most important (it says so in the Bible) and they go something like this:

1. Worship God above all things.
2. Do not hold any false idols, for God is the only god.
3. Do not take the name of God in vain.

Nothing in all of the commandments about loving thy neighbor. God seems rather paranoid to me, with all this "love me and only me" business.

 

[Pyper]

Its not in the king james bible though you may of had a catholic king james bile where they take the king james text and add in thier appocyrpha.

Did God, kill the kids? Did Daniel kill the kids? Did the king kill the kids? was the king a God worshiping Jew or a idol worshiper?

Again, I'm not sure what you are asking Todd. If it is a little fuzzy who was ordering the killing in this particular story, I could give you many other instances where God himself smote little children. The Egyptians for instance, killing the firstborn. That was sure nice of him. Not to mention the way God orders men to treat women. Did you know he advises raped women to be stoned?

 

[Countess DeWinter]

But what is sin?

Anything that goes against the two main commandments: love God and love your neighbor.

O really.... Thats what the book says... Yup... So thats sin... Guess I can go sleep with my neighbor because thats not a sin.. because I am just Loving my Neighbor..

*sighing and giving up*
Should've known you'd need everything spelled out...

 

[Todd]

Hey! Those aren't the two main commandments. The first three are the most important (it says so in the Bible) and they go something like this:

1. Worship God above all things.
2. Do not hold any false idols, for God is the only god.
3. Do not take the name of God in vain.

Nothing in all of the commandments about loving thy neighbor. God seems rather paranoid to me, with all this "love me and only me" business.

Matther 22

34 ¶ But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[DarkAngel]

Gods have been around longer than the readen books on them. People need to believe in something in order to get them through there lives.

You see they need to believe that there is something out there that can help them when they are down and when they are in trouble and need someone to talk to.

But, what people really need is to turn to themselves and each other and not to a picture on the wall. For that picture can't do shit for you. For it is not god(notice the lower case) who puts food on your plate, clothes on your back, heat in your house... etc. It is you and the people og the world. If this planet dies, it is not from god, it is by us. We are the makers and the destroyers. We are the dreamers and the believers, but we have to focuse on more important problems. Not what god we should believe in, but what can we do for each other to make the world a better place for everything thing. Let the gods go and play with each other and lets try and think about thigs with logic, and reason... and with a little luck we may begin to understand the world...

 

[Countess DeWinter]

Hey! Those aren't the two main commandments. The first three are the most important (it says so in the Bible) and they go something like this:

1. Worship God above all things.
2. Do not hold any false idols, for God is the only god.
3. Do not take the name of God in vain.

Nothing in all of the commandments about loving thy neighbor. God seems rather paranoid to me, with all this "love me and only me" business.

"Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 'Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?'
Jesus replied, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. And the second is like it : love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
(Matthew 23: 34-40)

If you go find a Bible, you'll find that the first 5 commandments deal with loving God and the rest are about loving your neighbor as yourself.

 

[DarkAngel]

*sighing and giving up*
Should've known you'd need everything spelled out... [/B]

Countess,

I have been given the schooling of about 20 years of the Catholic belief system....

My mother being French forced it on us kids... I found the flaws and I know the bible do well that I always laugh at what people say from it... I wanted nothing to do with the religion classes.. I just wanted to get throught englich and math and such... But when you go to a school that gives you a 1 year university. Whos to argue...


Remember humans created the bible, and humans can destroy it...

 

[Pyper]

Okay, Todd, you got me on that one. I was referring to the Ten Commandments, which don't contain any referrence to loving thy neighbor. But Christians act like "The Golden Rule" was invented by Jesus. It wasn't, it was around far before him, and pretty much exists in every religion. When you think about, the Golden Rule is the basis of any society, and therefore isn't that original.

DarkAngel, I totally agree with you. But you would be surprised how many people think that they are where they are today because of God and not themselves. Frankly, I'm getting sick of Christians promoting the worthlessness of humanity. Yeah, that's right, Countess and Todd. I said Christians promote the worthlessness of humanity. Why else would there be a need to turn to a higher power if Christians couldn't convince themselves and others that they can't make it on their own?

 

[Countess DeWinter]

Hang on DA, while I pick up my teeth. A thoughtful response? I like this side of you

I understand what indoctrination can do to a person. But indoctrination and faith are not the same thing.

 

[Countess DeWinter]

Ack! you guys post too durn fast!!

Todd, great minds think alike


and so do ours

 

[Todd]

Its not in the king james bible though you may of had a catholic king james bile where they take the king james text and add in thier appocyrpha.

Did God, kill the kids? Did Daniel kill the kids? Did the king kill the kids? was the king a God worshiping Jew or a idol worshiper?

Again, I'm not sure what you are asking Todd. If it is a little fuzzy who was ordering the killing in this particular story, I could give you many other instances where God himself smote little children. The Egyptians for instance, killing the firstborn. That was sure nice of him. Not to mention the way God orders men to treat women. Did you know he advises raped women to be stoned?

And Who are the egyptians compared to God's plan Old Testament, the enemy, the captivating country. All In context.

Yeah stoned was an old testament treatment of raped women. again time line concept of treying to pruify his people after they had been corrupted.

Ephesians 5

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

sounds like pretty darn good treatment, that a husband is supposeed to give himself like christ gave himself to the point of death for his wife. all the wife has to do is be willing to submit, the husband has to be willing to give his very life

 

[Countess DeWinter]

Yeah, that's right, Countess and Todd. I said Christians promote the worthlessness of humanity. Why else would there be a need to turn to a higher power if Christians couldn't convince themselves and others that they can't make it on their own?

I can't speak for Todd, of course, and I know some Christians who believe that human beings are worthless. I'm not one of them though. If we were worthless, why would God send Christ to die for us?

Now, I do believe that human beings do not have the capacity within themselves to save themselves.

 

[Todd]

Frankly, I'm getting sick of Christians promoting the worthlessness of humanity.

If we are so worthless, how come God was willing to die for us after we turned away from?

John 3

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[Pyper]

Tell me I just didn't hear that! Willing to submit? Oh great, all I have to do is admit I'm an inferior being and obey everything a man tells me to do, and then my husband will love me! The treatment of women in the Bible is absolutely apalling. They are bought and sold like slaves, constantly being insulted by God, all kinds of terrible things befall them! Jesus did not have one woman among his disciples. If he was so progressive, he would have been willing to break tradition and include women in his new religion. It seems, however, that Jesus was not concerned with things like that.

 

[DarkAngel]

Hang on DA, while I pick up my teeth. A thoughtful response? I like this side of you

I understand what indoctrination can do to a person. But indoctrination and faith are not the same thing.

Dam... I knew I should have side something like.....

I am a lumber jack and I am okay... I wear womens clothing and I work all day...


Todd

Stop quoting the boring book, what it says there is what humans have written... Don't you get it yet... HUMANS wrote the dam thing

Humns wrote history.... Humans wrote the dam math test I hav to do in a week... humans wrote the bio-chem test I have to write... But does that mean everything is right... because if it does then... no one should have any creative ideas... because that would lead into tempation...

 

[Todd]

Tell me I just didn't hear that! Willing to submit? Oh great, all I have to do is admit I'm an inferior being and obey everything a man tells me to do, and then my husband will love me! The treatment of women in the Bible is absolutely apalling. They are bought and sold like slaves, constantly being insulted by God, all kinds of terrible things befall them! Jesus did not have one woman among his disciples. If he was so progressive, he would have been willing to break tradition and include women in his new religion. It seems, however, that Jesus was not concerned with things like that.

So let me understand you correctly submitting is harder to do than to be willing to die for your spouse?

Dagnavit, I would much rather submit than to have to put my life on the cutting block.

 

[Countess DeWinter]

Todd, I leave this in your capable hands. I'm going home to my husband - to whom I submit as unto the Lord - where I'll try to be a living example of the things I believe.


And DA? Are you aware that by making those kinds of comments you're merely strengthening the faith of true believers?

 

[Todd]

Stop quoting the boring book, what it says there is what humans have written... Don't you get it yet... HUMANS wrote the dam thing

Humns wrote history.... Humans wrote the dam math test I hav to do in a week... humans wrote the bio-chem test I have to write... But does that mean everything is right... because if it does then... no one should have any creative ideas... because that would lead into tempation...
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http://christlove.topcities.com/christian/theology/index.html

on the topic to lazy to copy and paste

 

[Pyper]

Now about the worthlessness thing...

Okay Countess and Todd. Time to think really hard. Time to look below the surface and think about the implications of the actions and events in the Bible.

Try to take an objective point of view and look at Christianity as you would a piece of literature. Why did God send Jesus? Because humans need to be saved. Why do humans need to be saved? Because they are sinful pieces of trash that can't save themselves.

Humanity's worthlessness is the basis of all Christianity, and many other religions. How can you convince people to join you if they are happy with themselves and their life? You have to be able to convince them that there is something wrong with them, that they are missing something. You have to tell them that, by themselves, they can never succeed in the long run, because they are just not good enough. They are worthless, and the only thing that can save them is God. It's a clever strategy, but a devious one, in my opinion.

 

[DarkAngel]

Frankly, I'm getting sick of Christians promoting the worthlessness of humanity.

If we are so worthless, how come God was willing to die for us after we turned away from?

John 3

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Uhm and what changed after he died... O I know more wars... and more death right.... got it..