Nonconcent Stories

[Analrules]

I'm glad somebody cleared up the notion that it's common for rape victims to have orgasms. The only time this happens is in male fantasies, it's EXTREMELY rare in real life. I'm talking odds-of-being-struck-by-lightning rare. They can have the physical signs or arousal (wetness,

Anyway...

I don't think it's actually a rule that the victim has to enjoy it at the end...there are some stories where that doesn't happen, though not many.

There are two seperate categories. Nonconsent is where the victim is against it the whole time, it is rape, and the victim should not have an orgasm. Reluctance is where the "victim" is only against it in the beginning, reluctant to do it (hence the category name), maybe there's blackmail or coercion involved, and they're into it by the end and can have orgasms.

Personally, I hate the stories that are supposed to be rape and the "victim" ends up loving it at the end. Maybe it's just me, but I like a little realism in my stories. It's fine to want a story where both people end up enjoying it, occassionally I'm in the mood for those, but I wish they would be written as blackmail stories from the beginning.

 

[GasPedalJoe]

Re: Re: Nonconcent Stories

I may be wrong, but I thought that was the point of that category?

You might be wrong. My non-concent story ended with the victim asking for more.

It was the kind of story where a predatory man found a female who was bitchy and cold, and decided to force himself on her. She felt guilty for being bitchy, fought back but realized she enjoyed being taken forcefully, and asked for more.

I've received three or four anonymous feedback notes saying that it was inappropriate; that nobody would say "Thank you" like that after violent sex. And more than one of those said that violent sex was wrong.

That feedback has stopped me from writing a more violent, realistic story.

To get back on track: are true rape, non-concent stories allowed?

 

[BlackSnake]

Re: Re: Re: Nonconcent Stories

Where did you get this info?

I wondered that too. [/QUOTE]

From victims and victim groups I had to attend years ago. Believe this or not, I use to be a cop...lol

 

[FiascoNo9]

This is a really important question. There is major confusion about (a) what happens in the real world, and (b) what happens in my fantasies.

For most of us, sexual desire has made us do some really stupid, embarrassing, humiliating and self- or partner- destructive things. If we are lucky (I am) it made us some good friends and gave us some good times; but it made me do some things I cringe now to think of.

By putting it so strongly, you may think I am some guilt-ridden self-loathing sicko; believe me, I am not. I take a normal, cheerful delight in erotica, but think we occasionally need to remind people that these stories so often have unrealistic outcomes; a naive person might think that forcing yourself on the nurse next door and having three-hole sex with her will all end happily.

Anyway, the real world is much too dangerous a place for wise people to seek their sexual thrills in. So we are all in here, practising safe sex, where nobody gets hurt.

If we are confident that our readers know the difference between fantasy and reality, we can write what we want; sharing fantasies is a great exciting pleasure.

The 'rape' fantasy is extremely dangerous. Each individual young man has to learn from painful experience just what he can and cannot do. Girls are strange aliens, and the messages about what women want are very confused. In spite of being preached at by numerous pedlars of cheap morality, every boy is aware that the world respects a forceful man who knows what he wants and doesn't hesitate to take it. Every boy has heard that girls really want to be swept off their feet and taken by force. It is no good us telling him different - what would we know about sex, as mere adults? He will only learn from battering experience, like we all have, the simple rules of human decency.

Perhaps a real, realistic rape story - complete with all the unerotic blood and pain and spittle and endless tears - might be salutary reading for young boys.

But for us .. adults, safe in our warm rooms in front of our pcs .. can we share rape fantasies?

Perhaps in repressive cultures where women are forbidden to wish for or even consent to sexual activity, they dream of a man who takes the moral responsibility from them; a man who gives them everything they dream of without the opportunity for protesting. Perhaps just ordinary shy and polite girls idly fantasise about a ravishing man who will bypass all the awkwardness of negotiating consent. The only thing I am now fairly sure of is, they aren't dreaming of me, and my hopeless attemps to be forceful!

So, girls, you can safely tell your exciting stories to me... I will listen and applaud, and spurt forth semen by the bucketful, and I may pretend, if asked, to be the rogue who did the vile deed to you; but I know where the internet ends and the real world begins; I know how to take my erotic fun without ending in gaol.

lol!

 

[Fflow]

Non-Consent Newbee

Ok, so I was reading the comments here and, admittedly, I have to plead ignorance. First, I've never been a rape victim, nor have I ever raped anyone. Next, I personally find both the idea and reality of rape to be very tragic and terrible. Having said all that, however, I personally know a female who has a rape fantasy, one where she is actually raped by a stranger, not acting it out with a lover. I wrote a story, Abducted Heart, for the Valentine's Day contest. It was my first, and probably only, Non-Consent story. The 'reality' I was going for was my friend's mind-set, one that was both filled with terror, helplessnes, and arousal. I know that, as was said, this is not a common frame of mind for most normal healthy individuals, and certainly not one that I share, but it IS one that my friend had. Frankly, I don't find the story at all erotic, nor did I really enjoy writing it. I wrote it, though, to try and capture what I understood of her mind-set as honestly as I was able. I hope you'll give it a read and share any constructive criticism you may have. Thanks in advance!

 

[patricia51]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nonconcent Stories

I wondered that too.

From victims and victim groups I had to attend years ago. Believe this or not, I use to be a cop...lol [/B][/QUOTE]

So did I and when you're sitting with a woman in her 60's (not blonde, not busty and hungry for a "real man") and she's bleeding and terrified because someone broke into her house, held a knife to her and badly hurt her (the moisture issue is very real and even more so for a post-menopausal woman) and you can't let her clean up until you get her to the hospital (for evidence), and she's scared out of her mind and keeps asking you "why?" and you don't have any thing to tell her besides a vague promise that it "will be alright" when you know it damn well won't be. All you want is to put your 357 on asshole's body and see if you can blow his cock off.

Perhaps some women have fantasies of rape. Good luck to them. They're going to need it if it ever happens for real.

Okay, enough screaming. I don't like the rule that the woman has to end up enjoying it. It makes it seem like its a rule of life.

However I did write one Nonconsent story where the woman did end up happy at the end, just not the way most of the "happy endings" run on these type stories.

http://english.literotica.com:81/stories/showstory.php?id=110717

 

[blackwatch1881]

what Ive noticed through out most of the replies is the mis understanding of what actually gets me and others like me going. I feel its just like most fetishes, theres no explaining why, it just does what it does.

As for the whole concept of 'real' rape, its something (although I've not experienced first hand) that most would find discusting and repulsive. As Im sure I would do so myself if were to really happen in ucontrolled circumstances which I've already spoke about.

So to those who speak of what they know, seen and expereinced... Am I wrong to feel these things? to get off on these thoguhts? Its not something I can control so that make me a bad person?

Or should I just shut up n hide my evil self in a dark hole?

 

[blackwatch1881]

maybe Im just feeling a little scorned and attacked...

I'm not stupid, I'm aware of whats happening in the real world.

But I just cant help it.

 

[BlackSnake]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nonconcent Stories

From victims and victim groups I had to attend years ago. Believe this or not, I use to be a cop...lol

So did I and when you're sitting with a woman in her 60's (not blonde, not busty and hungry for a "real man") and she's bleeding and terrified because someone broke into her house, held a knife to her and badly hurt her (the moisture issue is very real and even more so for a post-menopausal woman) and you can't let her clean up until you get her to the hospital (for evidence), and she's scared out of her mind and keeps asking you "why?" and you don't have any thing to tell her besides a vague promise that it "will be alright" when you know it damn well won't be. All you want is to put your 357 on asshole's body and see if you can blow his cock off.

Perhaps some women have fantasies of rape. Good luck to them. They're going to need it if it ever happens for real.

Okay, enough screaming. I don't like the rule that the woman has to end up enjoying it. It makes it seem like its a rule of life.

However I did write one Nonconsent story where the woman did end up happy at the end, just not the way most of the "happy endings" run on these type stories.

http://english.literotica.com:81/stories/showstory.php?id=110717 [/B]

I've been to a few scene looking at what I deemed to be lovely young women trembling with fear and all about them are men. Their eyes wide open noticing every sound and movement. During the search for the bad guys, I remember debates with myself...if no one else is around then I could come back with only one tragic story to tell...I was in fear for my life.

 

[Mesalina]

Is rape a terrible, cruel ordeal that hurts you physically and emotionally and changes your life? Yes. Would I ever want to go through that? Of course not! But the majority of my fantasies have to do with being taken by a man and being forced to do things I wouldn't ever want to do. I have a clear understanding of reality and fantasy and I don't think I'm a bad person for wanting to read rape stories, however they are labeled and whatever the outcome.

As for why these stories make me so hot, I'm sure it has something to do with male dominance or me wanting a change in my average and uneventful sexual life. Non-consent takes the whole thing out of my hands, because I'm a goody-two-shoes and wouldn't do anything I shouldn't. However, I'm perfectly happy to keep all my sordid scenarios in my head and not really experience them.

 

[babydollmiranda]

I agree with everyone

Thank you to everyone for clarifying the definitions of nonconsent vs. reluctance and the possibility that it is the site rules.

Let me first state that I agree with everyone and I was molested by a swimming instructor at a young age and almost raped by a classmate inside my public school. Thank goodness it was stopped by an adult. At no time 'during' was it enjoyable. I feared for my life. However, that was the least of it. It was the nightmares and then the questions in the following yrs that bothered me. Why did I find most playboy pics,movie scenes, nice boys boring? How can I hate these two men and still be Christian? If it is wrong (and it was) then why do I fantasize about being tied up or someone being rough with me?

It took me years to come to terms with it. I believe the instructor was found quilty of many charges and the almost-rapist is now in the pen for attempted murder/armed robbery. However, the almost rapist yrs later saved my life (ironically and unrelated by his brother). I'm truly thankful that for me closure was found and I now work with kids with troubled pasts.

As for my thoughts and fantasies now? Those incidents were bad enough I didn't have to give them yrs of my life feeling guilty. The fantasies are still there but now I embrace them (love reading the stories) and even write erotica with nonconsent themes. Ironically it was on Oprah that I finally understood that good or bad/right or wrong it was physical touch and that did feel good. And for me it was my first memory of touch from a male and touch is a basic human need, right or wrong.

Hope this helps.

 

[Untamed_Heart]

it took a long time to find this thread lol, i hope it provides some insight as it was started around the time reluctance was added to the category, explains a bit about the whys and wherefores of whats allowed and what isnt now

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251925&highlight=nonconsent+and+stories

 

[blackwatch1881]

yipee finally something thats makes some sense... thank you untamed heart

now I understand why there only seems to be a certain type of story... it seems that little extra I'm looking for isnt allowed on this site. Ah well... the stories are still usualy quite good.

 

[PinkPlaidPanties]

I know that the subject covers both type of stories nonconcent and reluctance. But there doesnt seem to be many stories about the nonconcent side of things, they all seem to end wth the 'victim' enjoying it.

Although the idea of rape I'm sure for many people is a terrible thing, but unfortuantly the fantasty of it is quite a turn on for me. This is just my opinion but the endings seem to ruin a good story. Its the mental things that are going on that seem to do it, trying to resist n not just giving up so easily as they all seem to.

If anyone knows or understand what I'm waffling about please telling me, cause its confusing, as in D/s, I know it seems wrong but it feels so right.

A confused lass

I feel the EXACT same way....its so disappointing for me when the plot is good and then you get to the next paragraph and all of a sudden she's loving it. That's not "non-consent". That's called sex. The whole idea of a rape fantasy (for me) is force. Beginning to end. I'm not sure how limiting the rules are, but it doesnt seem like too much else is excluded from the category list so why not have stories that cater to those of us with REAL rape fantasies?

 

[BedtimeStories77]

There's been great debate on this site of what that category means, what is allowed there, and so on. What you see in the category, basically, is what is allowed. (With the occasional "harder" core story being accepted.)

 

[Never]

Once upon a time, this site had an Extreme category for bestiality and 'brutal' rape stories. During that time, the Non-consent was only for rape where the victim ended up enjoying their treatment in the end.

The Extreme category was discarded; bestiality is no longer allowed on this site save in some of the fantasy stories while 'brutal' rape is now placed in the Non-consent, Horror, and BDSM categories depending on the level of violence, torture, and overall graphicness of the activities.

So yes, Billy. There's a place for your story about tentacled space aliens violating Big-Eyed, Small-Mouthed space Marines. There's a place for your story about eighteen-year old geeks blackmailing their mother into giving them blowjobs. There's a place for your story about sub-human Rednecks making innocent cheerleaders squeal like a pig while using them 'fer breedin.'

And that place is Literotica.

God Bless America.

 

[snowy ciara]

I personally would enjoy the real fear in the situation, but maybe thats just me.

A question:- Do those who 'get off' on rape fantasies also gain pleasure from the D/s scene?

Sorry waffling again
Carley

Not always.

Rape is non-consenting. In most D/s relationships, one partner voluntarily cedes control to another. Occasionally there are brat or SAMmy submissives (which stands for smart ass masochists), who relish the "fuck me into submission" role, but it's frequently just that, a hot role play. As an actual relationship dynamic, it doesn't seem to go well.

I do know of one SM relationship (which is a horse of a different color) where the masochist thrives on "taken by force" rough sex scenes, but then, that's not a D/s relationship. The masochist is not submissive to the sadist. They do not consider themselves D/s.

Some of the confusion comes from people thinking or saying that sadism and Dominance are the same thing and that masochism and submission are the same thing. They're not. One is physical/emotional and the other is mental/emotional. Some D/s persons are not into role play, or scening or sensation at all. SM persons are frequently not into power exchange on a long term basis. When you have time, take a mosey on over to the BDSM forums and look around. There's several rape and non-consent and "taken by force" threads. The BDSM crowd really isn't all that scary or anything around here.

Re "enjoying the real fear".

I am a submissive masochist with a very high pain threshhold. I did not enjoy the real fear when I was raped. I did not enjoy the real pain, or the damage. Please be very careful. Most women don't enjoy it. This is why the phrase "taken by force fantasy" is creeping into the venacular. Too many of us have experienced the real thing, and the two are light years apart. I don't really have an issue with calling it a "rape fantasy" but others do. So I try to be gentle with my words and not cause anyone any angst.

 

[emap]

What she said, and I guess I should mention this one.

Rape fantasy isn't new, it's been around for quite a long while, especially popular in the 40's and 50's. Generally the most straight laced women have the fantasy, it's partially about ceding control to a man.

Mostly however it is about experiencing the things you are either to afraid to do on your own, or to sheltered/religious/straight laced to even think about doing. Many women, that means having orgasms galore and enjoying sex, especialy with the religious, your not supposed to have an orgasm or enjoy sex, it's only for procreation.

If your being forced into it, you are free to enjoy and orgasm all you can, it's not your choice that puts you under him.

Having the fantasy means nothing more than there are things you haven't done and are curious about. Be it anal sex, submitting to a man, having orgasms during sex or something else, for whatever reason it is something you wouldn't do normally but would like to, at least deep down.

I know most men won't admit it, but I bet there are many who have a fantasy of being raped by another man or a woman with a strap on.