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From one RP addict to another
I agree Morwen, that there are a few threads on the SRP board I find scary .. but to be honest .. the thread you mentioned wasn't one of the most disgusting we had .. there were those called "Two 15 year olds rape a 13 year old" .. this thread was "stopped" because of the under-age situation of the characters. Then there were afew others that were "stopped" because of the underage characters (which lead to some lengthy discussions about the fact that it was only fantasy after all bla bla ... and that they felt censored by the rules on this Board etc.)
We had a few threads that just "died" because of lack of interest .. and there are some I personally find disgusting ( the p.o.w. one eg - but then again I may take this too "personal")
There were threads that were started like the one you mentioned - and the only replys they got were from other members of the board saying they didn't really think it was appropriate .. and they vanished... but as you see, they pop up again and again. I think though that it is just something admin shouldn't really get involved with, smells too much of "censoring" , and sometimes it isn't possible to draw a clear line when fantasies are involved - specially seeing someone DID obviously want to play .. plus .. have you seen a few threads started by women SEEKING a man to play along for a rape plot line? So would you want to ban those too although they were started from the "victim" ?
I agree - there are sick things happening in this world - but I would have a hard time to ban the all-time fav fantasies from a SRP board such as incest (should be banned then just as well as being a "criminal act") and (unfortunately) the non-consent / rape fantasies.
Uhhhmm - now .. did I make any point with this? Not realy huh? Anyway - what I meant to say was... I think there are rules (like the under-age one) that we will be sticking to and I will be the first to jump in to see they are followed, but for the fantasies as such played out ... as soon as I see somene play along it gets "consent" in my eyes on the board, no matter hom much I will find it disgusting. I will though take the "right" to point out those things to those playing if I feel they are taking it too far ... because I am having a right to opinion just as much as they do *s*
Just as with the stories - I don't go there if I know I will not like what I am likely to see.
I agree Morwen, that there are a few threads on the SRP board I find scary .. but to be honest .. the thread you mentioned wasn't one of the most disgusting we had .. there were those called "Two 15 year olds rape a 13 year old" .. this thread was "stopped" because of the under-age situation of the characters. Then there were afew others that were "stopped" because of the underage characters (which lead to some lengthy discussions about the fact that it was only fantasy after all bla bla ... and that they felt censored by the rules on this Board etc.)
We had a few threads that just "died" because of lack of interest .. and there are some I personally find disgusting ( the p.o.w. one eg - but then again I may take this too "personal")
There were threads that were started like the one you mentioned - and the only replys they got were from other members of the board saying they didn't really think it was appropriate .. and they vanished... but as you see, they pop up again and again. I think though that it is just something admin shouldn't really get involved with, smells too much of "censoring" , and sometimes it isn't possible to draw a clear line when fantasies are involved - specially seeing someone DID obviously want to play .. plus .. have you seen a few threads started by women SEEKING a man to play along for a rape plot line? So would you want to ban those too although they were started from the "victim" ?
I agree - there are sick things happening in this world - but I would have a hard time to ban the all-time fav fantasies from a SRP board such as incest (should be banned then just as well as being a "criminal act") and (unfortunately) the non-consent / rape fantasies.
Uhhhmm - now .. did I make any point with this? Not realy huh? Anyway - what I meant to say was... I think there are rules (like the under-age one) that we will be sticking to and I will be the first to jump in to see they are followed, but for the fantasies as such played out ... as soon as I see somene play along it gets "consent" in my eyes on the board, no matter hom much I will find it disgusting. I will though take the "right" to point out those things to those playing if I feel they are taking it too far ... because I am having a right to opinion just as much as they do *s*
Just as with the stories - I don't go there if I know I will not like what I am likely to see.
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The crimes you are talking of have everything to do with control and nothing to do with sex. These predators are antisocial and their fantasies repulsive. There is a difference between the humor based riduculous stories of giant apes and sex starved females. Some out there in cyberland have a difficult time telling the difference. I too worry that for those unbalenced folks real life and the role playing line blurr. I know Havocman and Ravenloft try and keep a eye on most of the room activities. You might try talking to them about what you observed. I think they do a good job watching out for that stuff.
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Wow, what a can of worms...
Morwen, I share your concern. We do have limits - most notably the age limit. Pedophilia is not something we want to be associated with.
I'm not a fan of sexual violence, but I do recognize that there are responsible, rational adults who do enjoy rape and/or control fantasies (not realities), both as the rapist and the victim. We don't want to bend everyone to our morality - we want this to be a place where people can enjoy their fantasies. Living out fantasies here can be cathartic - the way watching an action movie or riding a rollercoaster allows you to experience extreme emotions you don't feel in everyday life.
I don't believe that violent movies make serial killers, nor does porn create rapists. Rather, rapists may be drawn to porn (as are many healthy people), and killers to violent content (as are many healthy people). Fantasies are only "dangerous" if they're carried out, and in that case they are no longer fantasy but reality. Fantasy in and of itself is not inherently dangerous, IMHO.
What it comes down to, then, is what you are and aren't comfortable with. I'm not going to lie and say I understand every kink or fetish in every story we receive, because I don't. Some things baffle me, some disgust me, but all of them fascinate me. It IS fiction. As is the roleplaying area. When I read, I merely skim the stories containing themes I'm not comfortable with, to make sure that all participants in the story are having a good time (in their own way) and that no one is being harmed or harrassed.
I try to check over the whole board as often as I can, but the sheer volume of posts makes it impossible for me to see everything. If there IS a thread that concerns you, feel free to drop me a line and we can talk about it. Anything underage will be removed, without question. I'll remove snuff as well. On other subjects, if others are participating in the roleplay, I probably won't remove it. But you must remember that the board is a free forum for all. They have the right to start a thread on whatever they please, but you also have the right to start fantasies that YOU want to participate in. It's your board too, you know.
Morwen, I share your concern. We do have limits - most notably the age limit. Pedophilia is not something we want to be associated with.
I'm not a fan of sexual violence, but I do recognize that there are responsible, rational adults who do enjoy rape and/or control fantasies (not realities), both as the rapist and the victim. We don't want to bend everyone to our morality - we want this to be a place where people can enjoy their fantasies. Living out fantasies here can be cathartic - the way watching an action movie or riding a rollercoaster allows you to experience extreme emotions you don't feel in everyday life.
I don't believe that violent movies make serial killers, nor does porn create rapists. Rather, rapists may be drawn to porn (as are many healthy people), and killers to violent content (as are many healthy people). Fantasies are only "dangerous" if they're carried out, and in that case they are no longer fantasy but reality. Fantasy in and of itself is not inherently dangerous, IMHO.
What it comes down to, then, is what you are and aren't comfortable with. I'm not going to lie and say I understand every kink or fetish in every story we receive, because I don't. Some things baffle me, some disgust me, but all of them fascinate me. It IS fiction. As is the roleplaying area. When I read, I merely skim the stories containing themes I'm not comfortable with, to make sure that all participants in the story are having a good time (in their own way) and that no one is being harmed or harrassed.
I try to check over the whole board as often as I can, but the sheer volume of posts makes it impossible for me to see everything. If there IS a thread that concerns you, feel free to drop me a line and we can talk about it. Anything underage will be removed, without question. I'll remove snuff as well. On other subjects, if others are participating in the roleplay, I probably won't remove it. But you must remember that the board is a free forum for all. They have the right to start a thread on whatever they please, but you also have the right to start fantasies that YOU want to participate in. It's your board too, you know.
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Siren: Thank you for your reasoned, thoughtful reply to the complex question raised by Morwen. You hit the nail on the head. If you find something objectionable, vote with your feet and don't read further. Does that mean I condone certain activities..sexual or otherwise? The answer is a most emphatic "NO."
However.....I will fight to my last breath to protect free speech. I spent four years on a Board of Education and four more on a Library Board in a different community. Among other issues that face public boards, suppression of materials that were "objectionable" came up on more than one occasion. A seventh grade textbook was attacked by a parent group because it was "soft on Communism." This was in the 70's - cold war era. Know what they found bad? Paraphrased, the book said that the Ukraine had wheat crops similar to our midwest - therefore, it was promoting the communist line.
I have many other anecdotal experiences that my slow typing - mercifully - precludes me from adding to the stew.
The end game - EVERYONE has the right to criticize in our system - that is, at the risk of sounding corny - one of the great strengths of our system. However, banning certain kinds of material has the cold chill of censorship blowing over us all. Who would like me to decide what is good for YOU?
My thanks again...to everyone...for addressing such a serious subject. And, Siren, I'll help keep the hordes from the gates. (I joke to lighten things at times, but there is nothing funny about abridging our free speech).
[Edited by Thor's Hammer on 08-27-2000 at 03:55 AM]
However.....I will fight to my last breath to protect free speech. I spent four years on a Board of Education and four more on a Library Board in a different community. Among other issues that face public boards, suppression of materials that were "objectionable" came up on more than one occasion. A seventh grade textbook was attacked by a parent group because it was "soft on Communism." This was in the 70's - cold war era. Know what they found bad? Paraphrased, the book said that the Ukraine had wheat crops similar to our midwest - therefore, it was promoting the communist line.
I have many other anecdotal experiences that my slow typing - mercifully - precludes me from adding to the stew.
The end game - EVERYONE has the right to criticize in our system - that is, at the risk of sounding corny - one of the great strengths of our system. However, banning certain kinds of material has the cold chill of censorship blowing over us all. Who would like me to decide what is good for YOU?
My thanks again...to everyone...for addressing such a serious subject. And, Siren, I'll help keep the hordes from the gates. (I joke to lighten things at times, but there is nothing funny about abridging our free speech).
[Edited by Thor's Hammer on 08-27-2000 at 03:55 AM]
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One more thanks for another reasoned view... to Laurel. Our posts crossed in the ether.
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Hey Siren
<-----biting my tongue, worried that I will be drummed out of the "Ancient and Honored Order of Attorney Jokesters," this is the first time in five years I have said something nice about a lawyer.
<-----biting my tongue, worried that I will be drummed out of the "Ancient and Honored Order of Attorney Jokesters," this is the first time in five years I have said something nice about a lawyer.
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hey siren
on the other hand, I might become a legend, at least in my own mind. Tongue bite, hmmmmm........ That could segue into what lawyers usually do to me, rather than the other way around.
"What do you call 5000 lawyers on the bottom of Lake Michigan? A good beginning."
(I have thousands more, compliments of an old acquaintance of mine who was my counsel when I was Mayor of a little town)
[Edited by Thor's Hammer on 08-27-2000 at 04:25 AM]
on the other hand, I might become a legend, at least in my own mind. Tongue bite, hmmmmm........ That could segue into what lawyers usually do to me, rather than the other way around.
"What do you call 5000 lawyers on the bottom of Lake Michigan? A good beginning."
(I have thousands more, compliments of an old acquaintance of mine who was my counsel when I was Mayor of a little town)
[Edited by Thor's Hammer on 08-27-2000 at 04:25 AM]
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hey Siren
If you were male, I would suspect you of being my first wife's attorney. He practiced in the firm of Leach, Bleed, Gouge, and Screw - know them?
LOL
<--I'm becoming self-delusional. How could I ever think that I will get the last word with an attorney?
If you were male, I would suspect you of being my first wife's attorney. He practiced in the firm of Leach, Bleed, Gouge, and Screw - know them?
LOL
<--I'm becoming self-delusional. How could I ever think that I will get the last word with an attorney?
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hey siren
Now I definitely will work on getting things..in
<---second, and last wife, Siren....I think I am getting it right!
Now I definitely will work on getting things..in
<---second, and last wife, Siren....I think I am getting it right!
It's OK, I fixed it.
Beverly can sleep safely tonight...
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Beverly can sleep safely tonight...
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Again, ol' Patryn gets on the bandwagon a little late, but here's my thoughts on it. I like the non-consent stories. If you'd read them, the vast majority end up being consensual non-consent, where the person being "attacked" actually ends up wanting it (might I suggest on of my personal faves, Hostile Takeover). Would I want to try it? Actually, I have played out a "mock rape" with a guy I was seeing. It was just all right. Not nearly as exciting as I thought it would be. Guess some things are better left to fantasy. Speaking of....
The stories of out and out rape and violence don't do it for me, though. Still, I see nothing wrong with them. As long as it's only a fantasy, it's harmless. Many people have rape fantasies who would never, ever, under any circumstances carry it out or want it done to them in real life. Stories can be catharctic, both to the writer and the reader. But there's nothing wrong with not liking them either.
As for sick threads, who defines sick anyway? If everyone else thinks it's sick, it will fall of the bottom of the board like it was greased. Self censorship, as has already been pointed out. As long as there's nothing illegal in them, I see no problem with them either.
We start censoring, where do we stop? If I think having sex doggie style is sick, do we censor that, too? My point is, we all have to make our own judgements. Blanket labeling of people's thoughts just leads to anger.
The stories of out and out rape and violence don't do it for me, though. Still, I see nothing wrong with them. As long as it's only a fantasy, it's harmless. Many people have rape fantasies who would never, ever, under any circumstances carry it out or want it done to them in real life. Stories can be catharctic, both to the writer and the reader. But there's nothing wrong with not liking them either.
As for sick threads, who defines sick anyway? If everyone else thinks it's sick, it will fall of the bottom of the board like it was greased. Self censorship, as has already been pointed out. As long as there's nothing illegal in them, I see no problem with them either.
We start censoring, where do we stop? If I think having sex doggie style is sick, do we censor that, too? My point is, we all have to make our own judgements. Blanket labeling of people's thoughts just leads to anger.
Most purchased story plots
The story plot that is most purchased by females, in paper back books, is;
Sea Captain kidnaps a woman that he thinks is beautiful. Takes her to his ship. He rapes her several times. They become lovers during a voyage to his home port. He takes her to his plantation. They marry and live happily ever after.
This could be the outline for a course in psychology.
Your exam essay is; "Why does the modern woman respond as she does to these events?
The story plot that is most purchased by females, in paper back books, is;
Sea Captain kidnaps a woman that he thinks is beautiful. Takes her to his ship. He rapes her several times. They become lovers during a voyage to his home port. He takes her to his plantation. They marry and live happily ever after.
This could be the outline for a course in psychology.
Your exam essay is; "Why does the modern woman respond as she does to these events?
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Morwen
I rarely indulge myself in dueling with what is obviously an unarmed person. Superciliousness, in any form, is a bit tiresome. Apparently the question was rhetorical, Morwen? A closed mind is a wonderful thing.
Or is it because people banter, you feel slighted....somehow inferior - not the center of attention?
I suspect if your panties are wet, you spilled a glass of water in your lap. Don't be overwhelmed by what was sincerity and, yes, a true love of this system - flawed as it is. Its too bad that genuine emotion is met by a blast of pseudo-clever blather.
[Edited by Thor's Hammer on 08-27-2000 at 03:47 PM]
I rarely indulge myself in dueling with what is obviously an unarmed person. Superciliousness, in any form, is a bit tiresome. Apparently the question was rhetorical, Morwen? A closed mind is a wonderful thing.
Or is it because people banter, you feel slighted....somehow inferior - not the center of attention?
I suspect if your panties are wet, you spilled a glass of water in your lap. Don't be overwhelmed by what was sincerity and, yes, a true love of this system - flawed as it is. Its too bad that genuine emotion is met by a blast of pseudo-clever blather.
[Edited by Thor's Hammer on 08-27-2000 at 03:47 PM]
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Okay people, deep, huge breath here. Now I know Siren and Thor are already angry but I just want you to read her post again while noting what I noted.
First: A smiley face. That's the symbol for a friendly tone of voice.
Secondly: She never complains once about the flirting, Morwen says she 'rolls her eyes', now I, myself, tend to roll my eyes, smirk, chuckle or just shake my head whenever I see flirting because that no thread can continue for long without sex 'popping up' (it seems some sort of natural law).
Thirdly (Is that a word?): When a woman says she wet her pants reading something that's not a complaint, that's a complement. Come on Siren, you have to at least agree with me on that.
Forthly (I know that's not a word): She then suggests a threesome in a sort of 'wink, wink, nudge, nudge' style - that's not something people do when they're 'indignant'.
Lastly: She thanks you and says she feels better now that she's heard other's point of view.
Now, we've all been a bit on edge lately but the tone of her post was flirtatious, friendly and in no way criticizing. I'll admit I might have misread her post but isn't it possible you two misunderstood it?
When have you ever seen Morwen act rude or insult another poster? At this time, she has 78 posts under her belt - would she just now begin to show her 'true colors'?
Didn't her first post strike you as intelligent (though conservative to your tastes perhaps)? Did she sound like a person who'd attack someone just for flirting?
I'm not the type to rush into a fight and shout 'Pease, love and harmony.' This time, however, I feel a bit of hostility has creeped into the air over nothing.
Then again, I could be wrong.
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You may be right,
I may be crazy.
First: A smiley face. That's the symbol for a friendly tone of voice.
Secondly: She never complains once about the flirting, Morwen says she 'rolls her eyes', now I, myself, tend to roll my eyes, smirk, chuckle or just shake my head whenever I see flirting because that no thread can continue for long without sex 'popping up' (it seems some sort of natural law).
Thirdly (Is that a word?): When a woman says she wet her pants reading something that's not a complaint, that's a complement. Come on Siren, you have to at least agree with me on that.
Forthly (I know that's not a word): She then suggests a threesome in a sort of 'wink, wink, nudge, nudge' style - that's not something people do when they're 'indignant'.
Lastly: She thanks you and says she feels better now that she's heard other's point of view.
Now, we've all been a bit on edge lately but the tone of her post was flirtatious, friendly and in no way criticizing. I'll admit I might have misread her post but isn't it possible you two misunderstood it?
When have you ever seen Morwen act rude or insult another poster? At this time, she has 78 posts under her belt - would she just now begin to show her 'true colors'?
Didn't her first post strike you as intelligent (though conservative to your tastes perhaps)? Did she sound like a person who'd attack someone just for flirting?
I'm not the type to rush into a fight and shout 'Pease, love and harmony.' This time, however, I feel a bit of hostility has creeped into the air over nothing.
Then again, I could be wrong.
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~You may be right,
I may be crazy.
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