NOBEL PEACE PRIZE UPDATE: When Can the U.S. Kill Americans? The White House Won’t Say

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When Can the U.S. Kill Americans? The White House Won't Say.

The administration refuses to say why it thinks it can kill American terrorists abroad—even to the lawmakers entitled to know.


By Sara Sorcher




Sen. Ron Wyden has spent two years demanding that the Obama administration share its legal opinions justifying the targeted assassinations of suspected American terrorists abroad. After all, as a member of the Intelligence Committee, the Oregon Democrat is entitled (and cleared) to know. How can his panel provide oversight if officials won’t say what legal authority they have, let alone in which countries it applies? The White House has spent those two years stonewalling. “The administration’s position is basically, ‘Trust us,’” Wyden tells National Journal. “Nowhere in the charge to the committee does oversight get defined as trusting the executive branch of the United States.”

In part, Wyden is just a recent victim of a shift in constitutional power that has been going on for decades, back to when President Truman ordered forces into Korea without congressional approval. But today’s covert war—in which spies and soldiers kill people without trial—establishes new terrain somewhere between military and intelligence activities. Here, the executive branch feels compelled to protect its security interests at the same time that Congress has the constitutional power to declare and oversee war. And rather than explain why it considers its tactics legal even off the battlefield, the White House simply claims authority to do as it pleases under the Authorization of Use of Military Force passed by Congress after the Sept. 11 attacks. “Without real public accountability,” says former Rep. Lee Hamilton, a cochairman of the 9/11 commission who now directs Indiana University’s Center on Congress, “the president has the power to kill people any time, based on a secret process. That, as far as I’m aware, is unprecedented.”

President Obama’s refusal to declare or explain his legal right to kill follows White House tradition. According to reports, President Clinton secretly authorized the assassination of Osama bin Laden, his lieutenants, and possibly even unconnected people. As Columbia Law School professor Matthew Waxman explains, “There is no clear legal requirement that the executive branch turn over to Congress its legal reasoning, and the executive branch always maintains a very protective stance of that kind of internal deliberation.” This tension will be on display when counterterrorism adviser John Brennan goes before the Senate on Thursday for hearings on his nomination as CIA director. Wyden intends to press the key architect of the drone-strike program for answers.

History suggests that, by including Congress in its thinking, the White House might forestall some major headaches. In 1974, The New York Times exposed a secret domestic-spying operation—run by the CIA in violation of its charter—to probe Americans’ contact with foreign agents. A special Senate committee headed by Democratic Sen. Frank Church of Idaho revealed other agency abuses, including programs to assassinate foreign leaders. The uproar led to the creation of the House and Senate Intelligence committees.

Even with that check, presidents have failed to inform members of Congress about secret interpretations of federal laws—often at their peril. Take the Iran-Contra affair, when Reagan administration officials skirted Congress (and an arms embargo) by selling weapons to Iran and training militants to topple Nicaragua’s government. Or President Bush’s interpretation of surveillance law after 9/11, which gave birth to the warrantless-wiretapping program. Or the secret memos claiming that “enhanced interrogation techniques” such as waterboarding could be legal in some cases. Each time, the press reported the scheme, then ensuing congressional hearings embarrassed the White House and disturbed the public. Something similar could play out if the press uncovers (and pokes holes in) the memos that justify killing Americans abroad, such as the Yemen-based cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan, who ran a Qaida magazine but was reportedly not on a specific “kill list.”

Officials, including Brennan, have publicly defended the drone strikes (which have killed about 2,500 people in Pakistan alone) as legal and ethical means to take out enemy combatants if they pose an imminent threat to the United States and can’t be captured. And war-weary Americans largely support this effective tactic that does not require boots on the ground. In a September survey by the Pew Research Center, more than 60 percent said they approve of the drone campaign targeting extremists in places like Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen.

But civil libertarians, here and abroad, are outraged. Last week, the United Nations Human Rights Council announced an investigation into the drone strikes, with special investigator Ben Emmerson calling for the targeted-killing program to be brought within the framework of international law. Most countries and international lawyers outside the United States, Emmerson pointed out, reject Brennan’s argument that Washington may legally use the tactic to defend the nation against a stateless enemy. Rather than leave this task to outsiders, Congress itself could make sure the legal framework checks out.

After past counterterrorism scandals, the White House could reap another possible benefit from spelling out its justification, says Columbia’s Waxman: avoiding the perception that its legal analysis is part of a cover-up. If someone like Wyden, viewed as an ardent protector of civil liberties, signs off on the rationale, Waxman says, “that would add some validation of the legitimacy of the program.”

The White House, CIA, and Justice Department declined to comment for this story, but Congress has ways to force the executive branch to bend to its will: It could subpoena administration officials, withhold money for the program, or stall legislation the White House wants. This hasn’t happened—yet. But Wyden has not ruled out another tool at his disposal: holding up Brennan’s nomination. “If the Congress doesn’t get answers to these questions now,” the senator says, “it’s going to be very hard to get them in the future.”

This article appeared in the Saturday, February 2, 2013 edition of National Journal.
 
isn't it amazing how an R doing something can cause such screams and angst and so much negative press, DALIY


and such silence when its a D?


AMAZING!

Not surprising, mind you.......HIPPO CREEPZ
 
gee

they said the OPPOSITE in 2001-2008


Broad Powers Seen for Obama in Cyberstrikes

By DAVID E. SANGER and THOM SHANKER


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That decision is among several reached in recent months as the administration moves, in the next few weeks, to approve the nation’s first rules for how the military can defend, or retaliate, against a major cyberattack. New policies will also govern how the intelligence agencies can carry out searches of faraway computer networks for signs of potential attacks on the United States and, if the president approves, attack adversaries by injecting them with destructive code — even if there is no declared war.

The rules will be highly classified, just as those governing drone strikes have been closely held. John O. Brennan, Mr. Obama’s chief counterterrorism adviser and his nominee to run the Central Intelligence Agency, played a central role in developing the administration’s policies regarding both drones and cyberwarfare, the two newest and most politically sensitive weapons in the American arsenal.

Cyberweaponry is the newest and perhaps most complex arms race under way. The Pentagon has created a new Cyber Command, and computer network warfare is one of the few parts of the military budget that is expected to grow. Officials said that the new cyberpolicies had been guided by a decade of evolution in counterterrorism policy, particularly on the division of authority between the military and the intelligence agencies in deploying cyberweapons. Officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk on the record.

Under current rules, the military can openly carry out counterterrorism missions in nations where the United States operates under the rules of war, like Afghanistan. But the intelligence agencies have the authority to carry out clandestine drone strikes and commando raids in places like Pakistan and Yemen, which are not declared war zones. The results have provoked wide protests.

Mr. Obama is known to have approved the use of cyberweapons only once, early in his presidency, when he ordered an escalating series of cyberattacks against Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities. The operation was code-named Olympic Games, and while it began inside the Pentagon under President George W. Bush, it was quickly taken over by the National Security Agency, the largest of the intelligence agencies, under the president’s authority to conduct covert action.

As the process of defining the rules of engagement began more than a year ago, one senior administration official emphasized that the United States had restrained its use of cyberweapons. “There are levels of cyberwarfare that are far more aggressive than anything that has been used or recommended to be done,” the official said.

The attacks on Iran illustrated that a nation’s infrastructure can be destroyed without bombing it or sending in saboteurs.

While many potential targets are military, a country’s power grids, financial systems and communications networks can also be crippled. Even more complex, nonstate actors, like terrorists or criminal groups, can mount attacks, and it is often difficult to tell who is responsible. Some critics have said the cyberthreat is being exaggerated by contractors and consultants who see billions in potential earnings.

One senior American official said that officials quickly determined that the cyberweapons were so powerful that — like nuclear weapons — they should be unleashed only on the direct orders of the commander in chief.

A possible exception would be in cases of narrowly targeted tactical strikes by the military, like turning off an air defense system during a conventional strike against an adversary.

“There are very, very few instances in cyberoperations in which the decision will be made at a level below the president,” the official said. That means the administration has ruled out the use of “automatic” retaliation if a cyberattack on America’s infrastructure is detected, even if the virus is traveling at network speeds.

While the rules have been in development for more than two years, they are coming out at a time of greatly increased cyberattacks on American companies and critical infrastructure. The Department of Homeland Security recently announced that an American power station, which it did not name, was crippled for weeks by cyberattacks. The New York Times reported last week that it had been struck, for more than four months, by a cyberattack emanating from China. The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post have reported similar attacks on their systems.

“While this is all described in neutral terms — what are we going to do about cyberattacks — the underlying question is, ‘What are we going to do about China?’ ” said Richard Falkenrath, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “There’s a lot of signaling going on between the two countries on this subject.”

International law allows any nation to defend itself from threats, and the United States has applied that concept to conduct pre-emptive attacks.

Pre-emption always has been a disputed legal concept. Most recently Mr. Bush made it a central justification for the invasion of Iraq in 2003, based on faulty intelligence about that country’s weapons of mass destruction. Pre-emption in the context of cyberwar raises a potentially bigger quandary, because a country hit by a pre-emptive cyberstrike could easily claim that it was innocent, undermining the justification for the attack. “It would be very hard to provide evidence to the world that you hit some deadly dangerous computer code,” one senior official said.

The implications of pre-emption in cyberwar were specifically analyzed at length in writing the new rules. One major issue involved in the administration’s review, according to one official involved, was defining “what constitutes reasonable and proportionate force” in halting or retaliating against a cyberattack.

During the attacks on Iran’s facilities, which the United States never acknowledged, Mr. Obama insisted that cyberweapons be targeted narrowly, so that they did not affect hospitals or power supplies. Mr. Obama frequently voiced concerns that America’s use of cyberweapons could be used by others as justification for attacks on the United States. The American effort was exposed when the cyberweapon leaked out of the Iranian enrichment center that was attacked, and the “Stuxnet” code replicated millions of times on the Internet.

Under the new guidelines, the Pentagon would not be involved in defending against ordinary cyberattacks on American companies or individuals, even though it has the largest array of cybertools. Domestically, that responsibility falls to the Department of Homeland Security, and investigations of cyberattacks or theft are carried out by the F.B.I.

But the military, barred from actions within the United States without a presidential order, would become involved in cases of a major cyberattack within the United States. To maintain ambiguity in an adversary’s mind, officials have kept secret what that threshold would be; so far, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta has only described the “red line” in the vaguest of terms — as a “cyber 9/11.”

The Obama administration has urged stronger firewalls and other systems to provide a first line of defense, and then “resiliency” in the face of cyberattacks. It failed to get Congress to pass cybersecurity legislation that would have allowed the government to mandate standards.
 
When Can the U.S. Kill Americans?

Thursdays and every other Wednesday.
 
You need to calm down, BB, or you're going to blow up your pc with all that rage. Now, when you had your blood pressure checked last, was it normal? You're at the age where you really need to practice balancing you're emotional and spiritual energy.

The main reason you're not getting the response you want on your threads is: Most people come here to have fun and relax, to forget their cares. What you do is irrationally rant and rave, use vile language and respond with hate. It doesn't matter what side of the political fence a person is on.when they act like this. No one wants to have much to do with them. Just like in real life. Because underneath all of our Lit profiles, we're still human. Even if we're communicating on a computer.

Now quit your bs'ing and go look at some pics. I do appreciate you not using any offensive words with me recently. That means a lot.

PS Is it possible when you create sex threads, that in the future you could do it incognito? It would be appreciated. Thank you.
 
isn't it amazing how an R doing something can cause such screams and angst and so much negative press, DALIY


and such silence when its a D?


AMAZING!

Not surprising, mind you.......HIPPO CREEPZ

You must be talking about the toe-tapping of Menendez...


:cool:

His wide stance on young ladies...
 
You need to calm down, BB, or you're going to blow up your pc with all that rage. Now, when you had your blood pressure checked last, was it normal? You're at the age where you really need to practice balancing you're emotional and spiritual energy.

The main reason you're not getting the response you want on your threads is: Most people come here to have fun and relax, to forget their cares. What you do is irrationally rant and rave, use vile language and respond with hate. It doesn't matter what side of the political fence a person is on.when they act like this. No one wants to have much to do with them. Just like in real life. Because underneath all of our Lit profiles, we're still human. Even if we're communicating on a computer.

Now quit your bs'ing and go look at some pics. I do appreciate you not using any offensive words with me recently. That means a lot.

PS Is it possible when you create sex threads, that in the future you could do it incognito? It would be appreciated. Thank you.

Er ist der Spiegel.
 
The difference is constancy, gentlemen, and reason. Since you two know so much, tally the stats for both BB and me for say, the past 5 days. I dare you.
 
LadyVer, from the moment Bush was elected all we had was hate and serious charges.

Laurel went off the deep end because Bush was going to shut down Lit.

He was stupid, he was a drunk, a daddy's boy, a frat brat, selected by the SCOTUS, a cokehead married to a murderer and anyone who said anything about him was pilloried not just in the press, but here...

Laurel went so fucking far as to want to have him impeached over the missing Ws for either engaging in a coverup of the lie about the purity of the Clinton administration, or, on the other hand, for not going after the criminals who dared do such a thing.

The Left, is 90% emotional with the occasional facade of reasonableness (but not reason) but the normative is for any challenged idea to be attacked personally and vociferously.

But, do not take it just from me...

“I used to think the left wing was the home of tolerance, open-mindedness, respect for all viewpoints…
But, now I’ve learned the truth the hard way.


The big lesson for me [working at NPR] was the intolerance of so-called liberals. I say intolerance because I grew up as a black Democrat in Brooklyn, N.Y., and always thought it was the Archie Bunker Republicans who practiced intolerance. My experience at NPR revealed to me how rigid liberals can be when their orthodoxy is challenged. I was the devil for simply raising questions, offering a different viewpoint, not shutting my mouth about the excesses of liberalism — a bad guy, a traitor to the cause.
Juan Williams

Contemporary leftists, on the other hand, view their opponents as people you send off to the Gulag, unworthy of any respect, deserving of any kind of low blow, no matter how foul. So you accuse Goldwater of insanity, slander Justice Thomas as a sexual monster, casually publish plays, books, and films calling for the assassination of President Bush, and assault the first serious Republican female candidate at her weakest point -- her family. And of course, you scream to high heaven if any form of turnabout occurs in your direction, as in the case of the Obama family, which was declared "off limits" early in the presidential campaign, at the same time that Palin's family was being stretched on the media rack.

This style of political loathing has become effectively innate. It has been systemized to such a degree as to become integral. Modern liberalism cannot do without it. An entire structure has been erected on the basis of political hatred, and from that structure a whole new strategy has arisen.

J.R. Dunn
 
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