new school prayer

[willywanker]

There have been several threads of late about the role of religion in our lives. I've stayed out of most of those, not because I'm better in any way, but because I didn't have the guts to stand behind what I believe, (I'm one of them there hip-po-crits)

That said, I'm posting a new school prayer that I got in my e-mail. It's not to late. You don't have to read it. You can click on your back button and forget this is here.

> THE NEW SCHOOL PRAYER
>
> This was written by a teen in Bagdad, Arizona.
> This is incredible!!!!!!!!
>
> Now I sit me down at school,
> Where praying is against the rule.
> For this great nation under God,
> Finds mention of Him very odd.
> If Scripture now the class recites,
> It violates the Bill of Rights.
> And anytime my head I bow
> Becomes a Federal matter now.
>
> Our hair can be purple, orange, or green,
> That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
> The law is specific, the law is precise.
> Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.
> For praying in a public hall
> Might offend someone with no faith at all.
> In silence alone we must meditate,
> God's name is prohibited by the state.
>
> We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
> And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
> They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
> To quote the Good book makes me liable.
>
> We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
> And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
> It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
> We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.
> We can get our condoms and birth controls,
> Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
> But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
> No word of God must reach this crowd.
>
> It's scary here I must confess,
> When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
> So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
> Should I be shot; My soul please take!
> Amen
>
> If you aren't ashamed to do this, please follow the
> directions.
> Jesus said, "If you are ashamed of me, I will be
> ashamed of you before my
> Father." ....if you love God, and are not ashamed
> of all the marvelous
> things he has done for you, please pass this on.

 

[crystalhunting]

Looks live some of the usual ravings of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell to me.........

 

[Purple Haze]

I was just going to say that.

 

[Pyper]

Yeah, I was going to say something, but I remember that last time I got involved in a religious thread, I got so caught up in it that I didn't do an assignment, so I'm not going to say anything. Nope, not at all. But anyone who advocates school prayer gets their name written down in the little black book in my head.

 

[scylis]

the good one or the bad one?

and speaking of religion and school, i think they should change the US Pledge of Aliegence.. though i do find it quite ironic that the new principal instituted the policy of saying it before any school assemblies the same year i became an Atheist..

 

[Todd]

The Poem/prayer sounds about right.

Christianity is Illegal, thats what he sums up fairly elloquantly

Just like i been saying for years, you claim that the christians have no tolerance, see how illegal chritianity has become due to your intollerance?

 

[Pyper]

The bad one

I agree with you Scylis, the pledge of allegiance should be changed. That whole "one nation under God" thing was added during McCarthy era, which I think we can all agree was a shameful period of witch-hunting mania.

And I'm not going to even respond to Todd. Nope, I'm just going to keep my mouth shut.

 

[scylis]

i thought that was bs since... well, basically since 1st grade, even..

and i too, will not respond to Todd.. nope.. not gonna..

 

[Laurel]

Oh pullease.

In the U.S., prayer in school on an individual basis is perfectly legal. What's illegal is prayer organized or sanctioned by school representatives. Even so, many schools have Christian clubs and prayer groups that are held on campus after school hours. This is one of those issues that gets blown way out of proportion.

Spirituality is a deeply personal, individual matter. If you feel you need some sort of government-sanctioned prayer go-between in order to pray - if you are unable to pray all by yourself - then maybe your faith isn't as strong as you think.

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[Todd]

Oh pullease.

In the U.S., prayer in school on an individual basis is perfectly legal. What's illegal is prayer organized or sanctioned by school representatives. Even so, many schools have Christian clubs and prayer groups that are held on campus after school hours. This is one of those issues that gets blown way out of proportion.

Spirituality is a deeply personal, individual matter. If you feel you need some sort of government-sanctioned prayer go-between in order to pray - if you are unable to pray all by yourself - then maybe your faith isn't as strong as you think.

Is that why I got a 2 week expulsion after I became a christian in grade twelve for carrying a bible down the hallway, not open just merely under my arm with my other books?

Is it why within a week of coming back bowing my head over my lucnh I got yet another 1 week expulsion?

Is that why our schools ISCF Inter scholastic christian fellow ship had to walk to the end of the school property inorder to meet together?

Good to know, I think I am going to go back and press charges then.

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[Laurel]

Is that why I got a 2 week expulsion after I became a christian in grade twelve for carrying a bible down the hallway, not open just merely under my arm with my other books?

Is it why within a week of coming back bowing my head over my lucnh I got yet another 1 week expulsion?

Is that why our schools ISCF Inter scholastic christian fellow ship had to walk to the end of the school property inorder to meet together?

Good to know, I think I am going to go back and press charges then.

I could be mistaken, but aren't you Canadian? I don't know a thing about Canadian laws.

 

[Juspar Emvan]

diversity denied?

 

[Laurel]

CB

Damn, you're fast.

 

[Todd]

Is that why I got a 2 week expulsion after I became a christian in grade twelve for carrying a bible down the hallway, not open just merely under my arm with my other books?

Is it why within a week of coming back bowing my head over my lucnh I got yet another 1 week expulsion?

Is that why our schools ISCF Inter scholastic christian fellow ship had to walk to the end of the school property inorder to meet together?

Good to know, I think I am going to go back and press charges then.

I could be mistaken, but aren't you Canadian? I don't know a thing about Canadian laws.

Yes we call it canada but we both know we are nothing more than the 51st state no matter how much either side denies it. We have been so since 1952.

 

[WriterDom]

Do you think the teacher that prayed with the students while hiding kids from the Columbine shooters should be prosecuted?

 

[scylis]

JSYK.. the current elementary principal at the school where i grew up is an ordained minister.. the high school principal is a very active member of his church.. a good number of the teachers are, too.. i don't think there's a single person in the building that doesn't believe in christianity besides me (sure, there's a bunch of non-christians, but that's only b/c they don't like going to church, not b/c they don't believe in god)

 

[Laurel]

Do you think the teacher that prayed with the students while hiding kids from the Columbine shooters should be prosecuted?

No, because that's not organized school-sanctioned prayer.

Answer me this...do you want the public school system to teach spirituality, or do you want to teach it to your children yourself?

If you do want the school system to teach spirituality, then which spirituality do we teach? Christianity? Hindu? Judaism? Muslim?

Say you use the old tired "we're a Christian Nation" argument (completely overlooking the fact that our forefathers came here fleeing the oppressive Church of England). Whose Christianity? Catholicism? Protestant? Methodist?

Do you think sex education should be taught in schools, or should it be left to the parents?

How much power do you want to give the government over your children?

If you want your child to learn religion in school, there are hundreds of church-based private schools.

 

[WriterDom]

How much power do you want to give the government over your children?

None. I wouldn't send them to a government school.

 

[riff]

Oh pullease.

In the U.S., prayer in school on an individual basis is perfectly legal. What's illegal is prayer organized or sanctioned by school representatives. Even so, many schools have Christian clubs and prayer groups that are held on campus after school hours. This is one of those issues that gets blown way out of proportion.

Spirituality is a deeply personal, individual matter. If you feel you need some sort of government-sanctioned prayer go-between in order to pray - if you are unable to pray all by yourself - then maybe your faith isn't as strong as you think.

Thank you very much, Laurel. So many people are the victims of certain groups' propaganda, not at all unlike this "prayer."

 

[crystalhunting]

I'm an american Muslim,when my son went to school it was dominated by christians...Its not the schools job to teach morality or values...thats MY responsibility.Part of the problem lies with parents not willing to take that responsibility.Islam has a tradition of general equal thinking in regards to Christians..We think christians are doing Allahs will with a covenant...in otherwords its NOT wrong,Christianity on the other hand believes its superior..and any other beliefs are inferiour or devil inspired.Thats the nix of this disagreement..to me its an underhanded way for the more fanatical christians to impose their beliefs on others children,cause THIS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY ANYMORE...and that scares em.Like it or not..we have far to many other religions here now.The biggest Hindu temple in the USA is here in Dallas of all things...sometimes I wonder if the christians are perhaps a bit scared that the other belief systems will be as untolerant as they have been when and/or/if we gain dominance...cause its comeing...Pat Robertson must be shaking in his undies!!!!...hahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Pyper]

Crystalhunting, you are right, America is not a Christian nation. But it never was in the first place! Most of our founding fathers, including Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, and that great stirrer of revolutionary fervor Thomas Paine, were agnostic, if not downright atheist. They were definitely anti-organized religion and in some cases violently anti-Christian. Due to their foresight, we have religious freedom, or freedom from religion, today.

Thanks, founding fathers! I love you guys!

 

[fgarvb1]

You guy's just don't get it do you.?

I watch your anti-god and anti-christian postings realizing
that you take your beliefs and sayings and spread them across the country.

I feel like laughing with glee and crying with saddness at the same time.

I would have to say no one ever told you that in the last days that one of the traits of the lost tribes would be that they would not act like gods people. That his set times
and feasts would not be observed. That their ensigns and emblems are everywhere in this country as well as england/britian,denmark and Austraila. That they would control the "gates" of their enemies. And that from their onset that they would never be defeated by their enemies in a real knock down drag out war. Did you know that the queen of england's genealogy can be traced all the way back to king david.? And that god promised that a descendant of david would rule always over at least one of the lost tribes
until the end came. This is not an exact wording for i am tired and lazy tonight and my mind is heavy with sleep.

However some of the other people on this board can fill in the open spaces with more exact meanings..if they have the guts.